Episode 57
FCG057 - Friday Office in the Pub (feat. Thomas Leroux)
Every Friday Thomas Leroux spends every friday sitting at a table in Patty Bolen’s Pub in Ottawa. Somewhere along the way after listening to a few episodes of The Grill he decided to give FCPX a shot on one of his recurring projects. Listen in to see how successful he was. Also, we go into some good strategies about how to make your data secure and back it all up.
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- Chris Fenwick
- Thomas Leroux - @WTL
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00:00.001: He's a great guy.
00:00.001: And then I get this tweet.
00:00.080: One, two, four.
00:00.160: But ultimately, it's like me sitting here in front of a microphone.
00:00.160: From Thomas LaRue.
00:00.160: So I was like, oh, geez, I hope this works out well for him because I don't want the public shame or whatever.
00:00.160: Even built a bunch of assets.
00:00.160: Some knobs here.
00:00.160: Website that they have promised.
00:00.160: What do you do, John Thomas?
00:00.160: Uh then my first foray into non-linear was a VLAB motion on an Amiga 3000 and then a Toaster Flyer.
00:00.160: And I was like, ah, it keeps aborting on the capture.
00:00.160: He says, if you have two displays, I'm thinking, yes, I do have two displays.
00:00.160: And it's easy.
00:00.160: While I was doing some stuff near the end, I'm like, okay, I'm going to have to add a couple of keyboard shortcuts here because I was exporting stills, and there's no straightforward way to export stills.
00:00.160: Yeah, that color board sucks.
00:00.160: So I thought you were going to say, let's talk about color grading, that you didn't that you were having problems with the color board versus the color grading.
00:00.160: So I'm going to play Devil's Advocate.
00:00.160: I keep forgetting that there's a lot of guides, not as much as what Keynote has.
00:00.160: And I exactly and I wanted to d I dissolved them in at a rate of ten frames and I wanted to delay them.
00:00.160: Of a brand new, you've played with it a little.
00:00.160: You know, it's like, did somebody not say, hey, that's a really stupid idea.
00:00.160: And apply metadata so that if one of the dancers says, Do you have any footage of me from?
00:00.160: Right.
00:00.160: Is this available on the App Store by any chance?
00:00.160: I figured and as quiet as I can make it, the better.
00:00.160: With all the sync issues and yeah, yeah.
00:00.160: Grabs it, renames it according to some data inside the PDF file, and then copies it into my Dropbox into the appropriate spot.
00:00.160: Uh, drives, uh, I don't think I only have one drive maybe that's under 30 that's still being used.
00:00.160: Tutorials on the website, ChrisFenric.
00:00.160: Drive, you're going to have to attach it to your computer quickly.
00:00.160: I work out of a pub.
00:00.160: You said you work at home, and then you said I work out of a pub.
00:00.160: Tom, we should wrap this up.
00:00.160: In classic.
00:00.160: I very much appreciate it.
00:00.240: That Thomas is doing.
00:00.240: the more recent songs.
00:00.240: And I and I pat my hand on the curb next to me.
00:00.240: So it seemed like you were kind of trying something new.
00:00.240: Family lineage goes through Canada somehow to get to the States.
00:00.240: Because I know him.
00:00.240: And I figured, what the heck?
00:00.240: So, I would still be able to get it into the mail in time for people to get it on Monday.
00:00.240: You know, you're a face for video, there you go, there you go.
00:00.240: You've used Avid in the past, but you also are a final cut user.
00:00.240: I also used Premiere, which I think was like version two or version three.
00:00.240: And this guy comes out and he goes, make sure your capture window is on your primary display.
00:00.240: Yeah, I mean, let's face it, I mean, we saw our audio brethren getting deeper and deeper into Pro Tools, and we thought, hey, how come I can't do video on a computer?
00:00.240: And I'm like, okay, maybe he's a little clairvoyant.
00:00.240: So I went back to the classic and just, you know, happily.
00:00.240: And for me, the best way to learn is to just jump in and start using it.
00:00.240: Production like?
00:00.240: Yeah, you know, Blu-ray is what did Steve Jobs call it?
00:00.240: And I'm like, yep, that's fine.
00:00.240: Yeah, I'm just saying it's an annual thing.
00:00.240: To use any accent you want.
00:00.240: And it's funny because if you read, if you watch some of the tutorials, they're all about clicking.
00:00.240: Okay, you've probably had access to maybe a 7D or a 5D or a T3, 4, 5, 6i, whatever they are now.
00:00.240: I used to have to like hit him over the head to say, dude, you're missing a great keyboard shortcut here.
00:00.240: You don't probably don't need to use in the simplest of edits, you'll never have to use the um uh uh the guy, I'm drawing a blank.
00:00.240: I mean, it means I don't have an excuse to go do something else for a while, but I'll take, you know.
00:00.240: bullet points and you know it's it's a great video tool, although the new keynote has some real serious problems with it, but that's a whole other story.
00:00.240: So I could, you know, push, make it brighter, make it darker.
00:00.240: How does that look?
00:00.240: Cool.
00:00.240: I don't know why they went and renamed everything.
00:00.240: Well, and it I did think about it today when I was out walking, and I was like, maybe they did that so that it was a bit more of a clean delineation between classic and 10.
00:00.240: You know who I'm talk.
00:00.240: Absolutely.
00:00.240: Age like if I was a guy that did nothing but these house tours, I might organize my life totally different.
00:00.240: libraries.
00:00.240: Not keywords, not clips, but to the project level at least.
00:00.240: listening to what people are saying, and they're adding features rapidly.
00:00.240: And it'll tell you you have 110 gigs of render files, and it gives you a very easy option.
00:00.240: Here's this wealth management video.
00:00.240: Allow you to dig into OS level things and nuke things like your virtual disk images and things like that.
00:00.240: That is a full height five and a quarter.
00:00.240: Tom is sitting down and his head is spinning around like Linda Blair in the Exodus trying to look around the room because he's literally surrounded by hard drives apparently.
00:00.240: Replace this drive, pick up another drive, slop it in, and it's in read-only mode for a while, and then you're back up and running.
00:00.240: Obviously, you're passionate about this, and those are the people that you want to talk to.
00:00.240: And you can choose where to put it.
00:00.240: You know, one dot version back just in case for Final Cut Classic.
00:00.240: If there's a fire, I can just jump back and go into classic, boot into 10.
00:00.240: Four copies.
00:00.240: Okay.
00:00.240: I would prefer to watch folders and move that.
00:00.240: Super nerd.
00:00.240: I don't know if you listened to Digital Cinema Cafe, but Alex McLean is going to be starting a new show.
00:00.240: But basically, it's all about stuff like this.
00:00.240: Every single drive, when I buy one, I write a number on it.
00:00.240: Yeah, I have an ESA card in there now, which is why I have three of these things hanging off because I chew hard drive space like crazy.
00:00.240: The people on the far left, all they do is throw up their hands, roll their eyes and go, Oh my goodness, I don't have that much time.
00:00.240: on your chest that says, don't do this.
00:00.240: And at that point, I'm pretty safe.
00:00.240: If you've lost data, then you understand.
00:00.240: Okay.
00:00.240: And you know, random people show up because people of Ottawa that I know know that I'm there, so they'll just show up for lunch and we'll sit around.
00:00.240: Okay, so what's the name of the pub in case I ever find myself in Ottawa on a Friday?
00:00.240: As this constant, ever-present reminder of why backup is so important.
00:00.240: Touching to read all these comments on the iTunes store.
00:00.240: Yes, the next project, the next client project will probably be in Final Cut 10 as well.
00:00.320: Episode 057.
00:00.320: are ridiculous and what not.
00:00.320: An editor.
00:00.320: At the end of the day, I hobbled out to the curb and I was sitting on a on a on a planter and I have my
00:00.320: three months I was in in a boot and in crutches and stuff like that.
00:00.320: We're like lifelong friends, and he's not gonna steal my bag.
00:00.320: So, I get to listen to podcasts or audiobooks, and it's just that time to decompress and think about what I've just done.
00:00.320: You used the phrase Final Cut Classic.
00:00.320: And when we started doing it, we could just barely do it.
00:00.320: One through seven, and then he went and he did Aperture, and then he came back and he did final ten.
00:00.320: So you have some of that history.
00:00.320: Well, he's been he's lived in England, South Africa and Australia.
00:00.320: You know, anything you want.
00:00.320: From there, I dumped it to, you know, exported, made up the DVDs, exported, and burned the DVDs, and dropped them in the mail this morning.
00:00.320: You knew you weren't going to get a curveball thrown at you.
00:00.320: I may roll another camera next time just and try it.
00:00.320: Down low for the finale, and that I intercut with no problem.
00:00.320: We were talking about how and I am doing giant air quotes on our audio podcast here, the kids of today.
00:00.320: I think of some of the best editors I know.
00:00.320: But it doesn't exclude the pros.
00:00.320: In Five 10.
00:00.320: Well, it's you have to go into the preferences and then add it into the export menu.
00:00.320: Okay.
00:00.320: You go, wow, there's a lot of cool stuff in here.
00:00.320: Well, exactly, because I can.
00:00.320: Okay, okay, click.
00:00.320: So let's talk about color grading.
00:00.320: And again, the fact that I can be playing while making changes, holy cow.
00:00.320: And I could nudge two frames, but not three three frames whatever I was nudging would vanish
00:00.320: So I was pushing around very short clips, like five seconds at most.
00:00.320: And I just went one, two, three, four, and I deselected a track and I did so so you you select one through eight, okay, and then you go
00:00.320: And so you periodically deselect one and they'll hold it.
00:00.320: So the nudging worked oh the nudging didn't work okay.
00:00.320: is I tell them that although you might want the three-way color corrector, and frankly, we all do, the three-way color corrector was really good, there's something about
00:00.320: Close and then you know go and change a few that needed changing, right?
00:00.320: From so when you export your video out of 10, mark click chapter markers.
00:00.320: And there is something weird about the chapter markers, but the titles didn't carry over.
00:00.320: So it's a little dated.
00:00.320: Yeah, I do, yeah.
00:00.320: So what were some other things that were either like stumbling blocks or revelations that you ran into?
00:00.320: Exactly.
00:00.320: I don't like, I would, if it works, I would like to be able to label them and say, this is the rough cut, this is the fine cut, this is the color, you know, right, to be able to mark them as something that I can identify with.
00:00.320: But I just can't imagine the the mindset that was going on in Infinite Loop where they said, Hey, let's rename everything.
00:00.320: The theory was that the data that is contained in a project file is more than what an old timeline was.
00:00.320: Well, and honestly, I will get over it, and I'm sure other people will too.
00:00.320: And in there are a bunch of smart collections.
00:00.320: All of these events inside all of these shows in one big giant library.
00:00.320: Library Manager.
00:00.320: you know you're you're going to organize everything differently but I think by and large for at least for me you know I have a library per let's put it this way one library for every invoice
00:00.320: You know, because people are constantly running out of hard drive space, especially with MacBook errors.
00:00.320: They will send you after you've bought it, they will send you the non-App Store version, which can dig into the parts of the OS that sandboxing won't allow.
00:00.320: Yeah, because there's two versions of the app.
00:00.320: Are you familiar with the program Daisy Disk?
00:00.320: Which sometimes when you're trying to boot someone's machine in a desperate situation, that will do it.
00:00.320: Yeah, it's a br for ten bucks.
00:00.320: So and though I turned uh I turned my Mac Pro off, so all those are turned off.
00:00.320: Every Friday now since, well, probably going on 11 or 12 years, I work out of a pub on Fridays.
00:00.320: Wow, you are hardcore.
00:00.320: And the Drobos themselves are backed up as well.
00:00.320: It's not keeping any media that's in the library.
00:00.320: Okay, well that's where my Final Cut classic documents live.
00:00.320: So in the Preferences of Final Cut, I believe it's the general tab, but I'm actually booting the application here.
00:00.320: So you can take your library information there.
00:00.320: Now do you copy?
00:00.320: So for stuff that's shot on 7Ds and other DSLRs, that I make my routine for that is I make a disk image of each compact flashcard.
00:00.320: Right.
00:00.320: Yeah, well, and it was just again, that was this is the first time I'm doing something with Funal Cuttend.
00:00.320: Very smart.
00:00.320: So, yeah, for backing up the Drobos, I use a bunch of terminal commands.
00:00.320: There you go.
00:00.320: But no, absolutely.
00:00.320: I can pick, I can go to the bank and be a week behind where I was.
00:00.320: And it sounds like it was a total success.
00:00.320: You know what?
00:00.320: So, anyway, backup.
00:00.320: And so I started looking at it and it's like, oh, geez, good grief.
00:00.320: And he stands up and his head goes out of frame and he reaches up to a shelf up above his desk and he pulls down the prop that we mentioned, this seven platter full height.
00:00.400: I have my backpack that has my laptop in it sitting next to me.
00:00.400: Please, I don't want to talk to anybody who has said, Oh, yeah, I've never looked at that.
00:00.400: Classic for a long time, and we just don't know.
00:00.400: Go back to Avid.
00:00.400: I will be uh next year I will have been doing this for twenty years.
00:00.400: Editors all the time.
00:00.400: The number one name in the, you know, made by, you know, the credits for the, is Randy Eubelos.
00:00.400: Ridiculous claim to fame, and now he won't talk to me at all because they're not allowed to.
00:00.400: I downloaded it maybe a month or two after it came out.
00:00.400: I don't think so.
00:00.400: Uh edited Wednesday and part of Thursday.
00:00.400: Literally, once you had the collection, it was done.
00:00.400: that's it that's keyboard short cuttable, even though it's not hardwired yet.
00:00.400: I did a Brady Bunch nine by box today.
00:00.400: Keynote was a real good way to cheat if you needed to make the lower thirds in a big hurry.
00:00.400: Six versions of sequences.
00:00.400: Is it no, this is a no actually I will say and I I apologize if this is a malicious trouble.
00:00.400: the house tours that we do, that's one small facet of all of the clientele that we have.
00:00.400: So what it is, is you run this app and every time you launch it or mount a drive that has Final Faten projects or libraries on it, it sniffs it.
00:00.400: I will see it maintains a list.
00:00.400: Absolutely, yeah.
00:00.400: Ah, the Drobo.
00:00.400: Well for software, the one I recommend the most is an app called SuperDuper.
00:00.400: Like this.
00:00.400: I believe under the general yes, under the general tab in the preferences, there's library backup location.
00:00.400: So for example, it watches my downloads folder for, say, my cell phone bill.
00:00.400: In 10 years, let's just have a look.
00:00.400: So it's a time saving thing.
00:00.400: Absolutely.
00:00.400: Well, that was fine.
00:00.400: At the very least, you have to think of the signal path of your data.
00:00.400: You know, and and especially when you're dealing with camera masters, you know, like you know, you had an instant bad
00:00.400: So, and I don't use them.
00:00.400: Smoother.
00:00.480: Gordon was a great mind, and the world is a little bit duller because he's not here.
00:00.480: So anyway, let's go to the interview with Thomas LaRue up there in Ottawa, Canada.
00:00.480: Hello, hello.
00:00.480: So, Tom, you've been listening to the show.
00:00.480: And you tweeted something the other day and you said, Okay, I'm going all in.
00:00.480: So, yes, I've blown through all of the episodes, and I think a lot of us in post-production are at that point where it's like, okay, we have to pick.
00:00.480: And there's nothing more pressure that creates more pressure than an event that basically has to be turned around as fast as possible and in the mail.
00:00.480: Final draft, not draft.
00:00.480: So Randy Eubelos, who I have dubbed many times the godfather of desktop video, not digital video per se, but desktop video.
00:00.480: Well, that's enough about me.
00:00.480: Gordon Fleming.
00:00.480: A very tight timeline for everything.
00:00.480: Okay, so really quick turnaround.
00:00.480: I can see totally see the attraction there.
00:00.480: But slide it open, and good grief, you have tons of power in there.
00:00.480: Initially, well, you know, there's the flailing around, and that was something I've noticed throughout Final Cut is.
00:00.480: So you got through the color.
00:00.480: The math in your head of adding a color by pushing a puck up or
00:00.480: And therefore, it was determined that it needed to be called something different.
00:00.480: Now technically there wasn't a thing called a project, but we all called our Final Cut 10 document for the job we were working on our project file.
00:00.480: Whatever.
00:00.480: So I want to get you've thrown out some stuff, Super Duper, Bank Vault, Drobo.
00:00.480: Four that I can see.
00:00.480: that I've worked here at Slice.
00:00.480: In the topic of backing up, that I think this is what happens.
00:00.480: But the people on the far right, you, who has the prop of your old-time 700-megabyte seven-platter disc as a reminder, it's like getting a tattoo.
00:00.480: Reaction to the camera archive because it the first one you tried didn't work.
00:00.480: And what was the other thing you said you use?
00:00.480: So it's only going to get faster.
00:00.480: Much to learn about backups.
00:00.480: And besides the fact that his edit finished on time, he was even able to make some motion templates that presumably are going to make the next time that he does this dance recital go even
00:00.560: He was a great friend.
00:00.560: And I got to say that there's a lot to be learned from this discussion just about some backup strategies and some of the things that
00:00.560: Helmet coming across?
00:00.560: So I did toy around.
00:00.560: So, they really want their stuff as fast as I can make it.
00:00.560: So, yeah, basically, I've been listening to the podcast for I've listened to every single episode.
00:00.560: Some of my clients are like 10-15 kilometers away, so my reward for dealing with people for long periods of time is a walk back.
00:00.560: When starting this project, if it wasn't going to work out, I knew I could still jump back to seven and have it done with one day being over.
00:00.560: I had a, at one point, a Commodore 64 as a character generator.
00:00.560: And it just wasn't, it didn't make sense to me.
00:00.560: I've been working with the community for 19 years.
00:00.560: The upper right-hand corner is the good grief, I feel like an idiot.
00:00.560: And it's an interesting, it's just really nice to see some of these changes in software.
00:00.560: Pros and cons?
00:00.560: But I have a question for you.
00:00.560: I would love to know what very puzzled this is the behavior.
00:00.560: Same time.
00:00.560: The long of I guess the short of it is, is the entire production, including redoing a whole bunch of assets.
00:00.560: Yeah, that's probably how I'm going to do it.
00:00.560: It sniffs it and it shows all your libraries, and now it's totally searchable.
00:00.560: The events that are in it, and I can twirl those down and see all of the projects that are in it.
00:00.560: That's clever.
00:00.560: So I imported everything.
00:00.560: So Hazel watches a folder that I took, you know, if there's a disk image that appears here, grab it and copy it over to one of the Drobos.
00:00.560: So and the other two copies were just me duplicating it across two other drives as a I don't trust Final Cut 10 yet, so I'm just gonna copy this here, copy this here, just so that if anything explodes, I've again, I've got something quick to fall back to.
00:00.560: If that bothers you, this is not for you.
00:00.560: So I've actually I actually had some problems with those unmounting and I've gone to more of a flat a flat tray
00:00.560: Of reaction that people have toward the topic of backing up.
00:00.640: This kind of homeless looking, sort of, scary thug guy comes over and he's standing there and he's looking down at me and he looks at my bag.
00:00.640: This project was basically it's a large dance recital that takes place in Ottawa for the Bella Dance community.
00:00.640: It's full of tourists.
00:00.640: And I was on AOL at the time and there was like chat rooms for Premiere, and I was like, I couldn't get the thing to capture.
00:00.640: Oh, so okay, you said you've been so you've only been editing for about 20?
00:00.640: And you've had access to any number of video editors, and you've never
00:00.640: Shift N, you know, toss into a it toss on the side, shift N, toss, shift N, toss, select all, export as PNG go, and it would just do it.
00:00.640: One of the things, well, I'm going to dot dot.
00:00.640: But on my Brady Bunch thing, I decided, oh, I'm going to have them dissolve in, you know, like one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.
00:00.640: What is it?
00:00.640: But it's a little easier to look at it and say, oh, that's too yellow.
00:00.640: So when you have like common assets that you want to use multiple times, there's ways to get around that.
00:00.640: Okay.
00:00.640: Boom.
00:00.640: So this drive made me crazy about backups.
00:00.640: It was a pile of money at the time.
00:00.640: And the reason why is for those of you on not on video, I'm holding up a seven-platter.
00:00.640: So, how are you backing up your media?
00:00.640: Well, here's the thing is, for example, on both my laptop and my Mac Pro, I have a bootable 10.
00:00.640: So I just went and just, yeah, I was like, seriously, you're going to do this?
00:00.640: Okay, I can talk about this kind of stuff till the cows come home.
00:00.640: Super nerd.
00:00.640: You know, I work from home.
00:00.720: Very generous in supporting this show.
00:00.720: And I totally threw him off his game.
00:00.720: Ottawa.
00:00.720: who wrote Early Premiere, who went to Macromedia, who created Final Cut Pro, and then well, they called it
00:00.720: you've caught on to something that is very important, that there are a lot of there's a lot of functionality in Final Cut 10 that isn't hardwired.
00:00.720: It's the keyboard shortcuts.
00:00.720: This program is only a couple of months old and it's already on like version 2.
00:00.720: That is probably a fifty pin SCSI drive that was connected to And how many megabytes was it?
00:00.720: I don't know if it translates on the podcast, but I don't think so.
00:00.720: Okay, so you're a huge backup fan.
00:00.720: Knock on wood, my IKEA wood desk here.
00:00.720: And I can't remember the brand.
00:00.720: I've been going to this.
00:00.720: You know, he's like this hardcore, you know, backup person.
00:00.800: He looks at my crutches.
00:00.800: Sorry, my dog's moving.
00:00.800: Pretty large clips, possibly, because you're doing whole dance numbers.
00:00.800: Pulling down.
00:00.800: And I have been in contact recently with, and I'm going to feel bad because I can't remember your name, but I'm going to look it up here, from Tim.
00:00.800: To write something that would open the library, look inside the library, find all of the keywords, and assign them as tags.
00:00.800: Well, there's a five bay over here, and there's two fours and a five down there.
00:00.800: Give it a shot because I was expecting things to catch on fire and explode, and they didn't.
00:00.800: Tom, thanks for your time.
00:00.880: So a couple of nights ago, several nights ago now I guess I read a tweet or I had a I got a I got a tweet, a DM maybe.
00:00.880: JT.
00:00.880: I remember Raptor.
00:00.880: I don't click nothing.
00:00.880: Report those things.
00:00.880: So, yeah, I mean, just rename the smart collection.
00:00.880: Yes, I've had one.
00:00.880: You've got to have your activities.
00:00.880: the journey that your data makes and say, is it safe at this point?
00:00.880: And that losing three years of work that's that's still relevant is if you don't have a backup to it.
00:00.880: Right, right.
00:00.880: Later, later.
00:00.960: That's a lot of February.
00:00.960: Some of this was multi-cam.
00:00.960: I know a lot of mousers, and I'm just like, it's so much faster to have a real keyboard, just to use your keyboard, learned your shortcuts.
00:00.960: I do this once a month for one of my clients, and it works fine flawlessly.
00:00.960: There are some kind of library kung fu.
00:00.960: At Arctic Whiteness, and he was asking if I wanted to, you know, rep or not rep, I don't know, somebody help him sell his his app because it's a great app.
00:01.040: And I look at the posting and the guy's the guy's name is um R yubala blah blah something like that, whatever.
00:01.040: Mid-late 2012, I guess.
00:01.040: I'm kidding.
00:01.040: I mean, your only exposure to a video production switcher is watching the death of the death star in Star Wars when, you know, they're right, they use that old grass 1600 prop.
00:01.040: I mean, I opened it up, I look at it, and I'm like, okay, we'll try, you know, just start moving things to see what happens.
00:01.040: I like having that safety in it.
00:01.040: Beyond just the projects that are in it.
00:01.040: Well, it was actually just kind of by accident.
00:01.040: I found out the other day, I can't remember if I've mentioned this before, and if I have, I apologize.
00:01.120: It's something like uh I could look it up, but I won't.
00:01.120: And I look him in the eye and I go, What's your name?
00:01.120: And HD?
00:01.120: So that's actually a good barometer, too, because this is a production you know really well.
00:01.120: You're not applying yourself, Tom.
00:01.120: And it really is, you know, I mean, I think I've talked about this, that it is a tool that is designed for everyone.
00:01.120: So I think somebody should have put their foot down more and said, yeah, that's kind of dumb.
00:01.120: All bear drives, just like you were holding up.
00:01.120: And yet there's plenty of.
00:01.200: with my friend Gordon Fleming.
00:01.200: So stay tuned for that.
00:01.200: I'm not hey, I did not do that joke with you.
00:01.200: So anyway, yeah, I learn every episode I learn something.
00:01.200: So, what I did, what I did was nudge, nudge, click, nudge, nudge, click, nudge, nudge, click.
00:01.200: Period.
00:01.200: Yeah, no, I'm just one guy, so I'm not buying for a team.
00:01.200: Well, out of curiosity, what machine are you cutting on?
00:01.200: I like making sequences.
00:01.200: Right.
00:01.200: That disk image, because that's an immutable copy of it.
00:01.200: Let's see.
00:01.200: Yeah, now you're putting USB USB 3 cards in your Mac pack.
00:01.280: He actually, up in Ottawa, he started his own Macintosh users group.
00:01.280: I'm just trying to think of what would be negative about it.
00:01.280: There goes seven grand.
00:01.280: Well, I'm I'm sure there's a way, but
00:01.280: And I believe, let me double check here because I haven't actually looked into this.
00:01.280: What other great utilities do you use?
00:01.280: Are you kidding me?
00:01.280: So, what a pleasure to like find people like this, and then you start scratching away at the surface, and you realize
00:01.360: I know that this is a podcasting is an interesting thing.
00:01.360: Now, Thomas lives up in Ottawa, up in Canada, and he's it's like one of these things.
00:01.360: Tourism in Ottawa is already blowing up.
00:01.360: It was an amazing piece of technology for the time.
00:01.360: Listening to the past 51 years.
00:01.360: Yeah, well, it's in the shape of the location to export to.
00:01.360: I will try that maybe tomorrow when I do some other stuff.
00:01.360: Isn't that cool?
00:01.360: I think the real question is: is the system that you're working on?
00:01.360: To the file, and then search it that way.
00:01.360: I talk about this app.
00:01.360: The spreadsheet right now goes up to 89.
00:01.360: So, what do you use?
00:01.360: As like, okay, this is I mean, you've said it before that, you know, this is a bank machine that gives out 120 instead of 100.
00:01.440: Well, when you asked if I was in Toronto, I was like, why does everyone in the States think that Toronto is the only place people live?
00:01.440: He's the guy, one of my clients who's been playing with Final Castle.
00:01.440: That might be their only exposure to seeing a b a production switcher.
00:01.440: And the fact that sequences are now called now?
00:01.440: That's the treat for being self-employed.
00:01.520: So now let's move on.
00:01.520: No, I talk completely normal.
00:01.520: And they're like, Yeah, I can't do that.
00:01.520: And I can export it and do it that way.
00:01.520: As I roll away, I'm getting schooled.
00:01.520: I really appreciate doing this.
00:01.600: It's 300 bucks.
00:01.600: Okay, so you used Avid in the 90s, maybe?
00:01.600: But then to take that metaphor one step further about an accessible tool that has hidden power
00:01.600: What did you learn by doing a whole piece using the color board as opposed to the good old three-way color corrector?
00:01.600: Pulling down.
00:01.600: That looks good.
00:01.600: So next time will be faster.
00:01.600: But frankly, the topic of backup isn't discussed enough.
00:01.600: I have a table that's kind of out of the way and the entire I mean, the staff don't even call it by its number.
00:01.680: I hope again, sorry guys, I hope that wasn't proprietary, that I wasn't supposed to say that.
00:01.680: Out.
00:01.680: The production was a shoot Tuesday night.
00:01.680: 1, 2, 3, 4.
00:01.760: I have to hit this button for some reason.
00:01.760: I go, what's JT stand for?
00:01.760: Hello, hello.
00:01.760: Let's talk about you.
00:01.760: And yet a lot of people still want the DVD, correct?
00:01.760: And it's part of my workflow.
00:01.760: Have you used this plugin from Arctic Whiteness?
00:01.760: But it has amazing search capabilities.
00:01.760: I think it's ten dollars.
00:01.760: So once a week, I make bootable copies of every drive of my Mac Pro and my wife's laptop.
00:01.760: Well, until I feel comfortable with it, I'm not going to trust it.
00:01.840: Any US accent, and they just fall apart.
00:01.840: Very cool.
00:01.840: So I like the idea of knowing that if something bad were to happen here, if someone broke in, stole my stuff or a fire, that if all of my gear was destroyed.
00:01.840: The fact that I was able to recreate a whole bunch of assets in the same time that it took me to do the entire project normally
00:01.840: Very, very important.
00:01.920: I think I said that last episode, but I just want to say thank you for indulging me in the ability to do that.
00:01.920: Okay.
00:01.920: Who made the Raptor?
00:01.920: I put your fingers on the damn keyboard.
00:01.920: Yeah, because every time we buy machines we buy them in in groups, you know, and you I need two or three of those.
00:01.920: Yeah, I don't know.
00:01.920: Yep, did it.
00:01.920: What I have to figure out next is how do I back up my Final Cut 10 projects?
00:01.920: Wow.
00:01.920: I think I've posted it at some point.
00:01.920: If you've lost important, I mean, it's one thing to lose a bunch of pictures of your dog.
00:02.000: But um there's all kinds of ways to search through their stuff and uh you know we're really looking forward to um the new uh
00:02.000: And he's just like, dude, I didn't want to be your friend.
00:02.000: I'm like, you know, a hardcore premiere, avid, you know, classic user.
00:02.000: So it's very cool.
00:02.000: Now, I've talked to a lot of people that say that they choose their Dropbox and they put their backups there.
00:02.000: Superduper doesn't back up my media drives.
00:02.000: I keep track of my data.
00:02.080: Anyway, he's going to tell all that story.
00:02.080: I can't remember what they called it, first take or something like that.
00:02.080: Out.
00:02.080: You can say, you know, South London, Dublin, Kiwi, Outback, you know, ju you know, any dialect you want, they'll nail it, except for this.
00:02.080: Okay, oh, there's the waveforms click.
00:02.080: Right.
00:02.080: And when it died, there was no way to back it up.
00:02.080: I call that a caveman backup.
00:02.080: Oh, I will try it again with something that doesn't matter.
00:02.080: So, thanks for listening.
00:02.160: When it uh you did you mess around with 10 O at all, with Final Cut 10?
00:02.160: Explain it to me how you got around using it.
00:02.160: Sure.
00:02.160: It's a little dated.
00:02.160: The person I'm quoting here probably doesn't want me to say this, but essentially.
00:02.160: There's the sandbox version, which runs out of the app store, which can only mess with your stuff.
00:02.160: Exact precisely, exactly.
00:02.160: Oh, actually, let's talk about.
00:02.160: Hey, look, you started this.
00:02.160: I'm just curious, what do you use as a cradle or a caddy for those bare drives?
00:02.240: Oh, yeah, I mean, I do too.
00:02.240: Yeah, Hazel is a serious time saver because you can tell it to watch a folder.
00:02.320: Hello.
00:02.320: That's a lot of time commitment.
00:02.320: What's going on?
00:02.320: I think one of the things that I talk with people that are complaining about the color board
00:02.320: And I know that there's some kind of rolling thing that I can go back.
00:02.320: Yep, so big fan of Drobos.
00:02.320: And we'll have to do this again sometime, all right?
00:02.400: I think I did a small, like a I just did a quick video for a friend that was nothing special.
00:02.400: I'll give it a shot.
00:02.400: Sounds like you've done this production many times in the past.
00:02.400: The um yeah, the color board was actually really straightforward to figure out.
00:02.400: From experience, the um you know, I've talked about the house tours that we do here at at the place I work at.
00:02.400: Oh, I've seen this.
00:02.400: And the people on the far left, when they hear Mr.
00:02.480: Um but I just wanted to say something special about my friend who passed away, Gordon, who um
00:02.480: It's really good.
00:02.480: How are you?
00:02.480: He was like a split second from grabbing my bag and running, you know?
00:02.480: So I'm assuming you have a history with Avid in your past, and looking at you on video, and yes, this is an audio podcast.
00:02.480: It's like, what?
00:02.480: But you said it wasn't all multicam.
00:02.480: Look it over there.
00:02.480: I was very surprised.
00:02.480: It maintains the list and it shows me the stuff that's unmounted.
00:02.480: They're also backed up off site because single I don't want a single point of failure.
00:02.480: Good night.
00:02.480: Do you copy your media before you start importing it?
00:02.480: I love it.
00:02.560: Yeah.
00:02.560: It just asks us to, you know, like slide open the a few more panels.
00:02.560: Okay.
00:02.560: So you can look at something and now and go, okay, I want to go a little minus yellow or a little minus green.
00:02.560: Yeah, so you should check that one out.
00:02.560: com, all about it.
00:02.560: The way I boil it down is there's two kinds of people.
00:02.640: First of all, I want to say thank you to everybody who downloaded episode 56.
00:02.640: What do you think about me?
00:02.640: It was all about proxies with Thomas Carter Grove and Thomas Grove Carter, sorry.
00:02.640: So, okay, bring down the darks, bring up, you know, bring down the darks, bring up the middles a little bit, you know, just
00:02.640: And I can click on this.
00:02.640: It is on the App Store.
00:02.640: It's a brilliant app.
00:02.640: You're using so what software do you use?
00:02.720: Let's put okay.
00:02.720: Well, it's confusing to people, you know.
00:02.720: I actually have a spreadsheet for hard drives.
00:02.720: I'm very interested in looking into this Hazel watch folder trick/slash gimmick.
00:02.800: Episode 57.
00:02.800: Shooting, editing, everything.
00:02.800: When I heard you say belly dancer, immediately I'm thinking, okay, it's probably some sort of a recital, it's probably two or three cameras, multicam.
00:02.800: Oh, no, absolutely.
00:02.800: So I'll get to a milestone.
00:02.800: That is six or seven platters.
00:02.800: Oh, yeah, unless a comet or an asteroid hits the city, I'm backed up.
00:02.880: And believe me, I understand the technology repeats in the podcast world.
00:02.880: That tells me you've been listening to me for a while because I think I'm the one who coined that term.
00:02.880: And then you option click number 8.
00:02.880: And I was like, maybe I'll push it over to my laptop to try, because normally I'm on my Mac Pro, and that's where I was editing.
00:02.880: Kind of looking forward to I was going to say you're looking forward to doing the one at Christmas this year?
00:02.880: DaisyDisk, no.
00:02.880: Okay, I will say in I've worked it here at Sports.
00:02.960: It's like, ah, do I go back to Avid?
00:02.960: But no one wants a Blu-ray.
00:02.960: And we've talked about some of them on the show.
00:02.960: This is your first, you know, client deliverable.
00:02.960: He says, okay, so you got to see this.
00:02.960: Like, for example, on the belly dance video, how many copies of the media do you have at this moment, right now?
00:02.960: And I think you're it's gonna it's gonna be a video show, and I think you're gonna totally dig it.
00:03.040: And I ask you from the bottom of my heart that you go give them a try.
00:03.040: You know, that I'm sitting on this planter.
00:03.040: So I go to the AOL chat room.
00:03.040: You guys don't realize it's you do have an accent when you say it.
00:03.040: And I'm like, seriously?
00:03.040: In general, I think it was faster, I think.
00:03.040: So, anyway, I have a smart collection that finds all my projects.
00:03.040: Because those are easy to regenerate.
00:03.040: Thanks again for listening.
00:03.120: Yeah.
00:03.120: Yeah, I would say that ninety five percent of the time my Pegasus R six is on, but I do notice when I turn it off, the room does sound a little different.
00:03.120: Okay, so walk me through how it starts and how you got to four.
00:03.120: I've seen, you know, now I now, now I know.
00:03.120: Thanks for tuning in.
00:03.200: Oh, very good.
00:03.200: It's the capital city of Canada, and there's tons of stuff going on all the time.
00:03.200: I honestly don't remember.
00:03.200: Right.
00:03.200: Very, very peculiar.
00:03.200: Yeah, okay, it looks fine.
00:03.200: Okay.
00:03.200: Oh, good night.
00:03.280: And anyway, I just want to thank everybody for indulging me.
00:03.280: Hello.
00:03.280: I'm the typical American who knows, like, okay, Canada is sort of like our attic.
00:03.280: He says, make sure your capture window is on the primary display and not the secondary display, because if it's on the secondary, it'll crash every time.
00:03.280: Absolutely.
00:03.280: I was trying to duplicate my Found Classic workflow.
00:03.280: And he says to me, He goes, Oh, so have you read some of the the ones from other stores?
00:03.360: And then I was like, okay, he's kind of convinced me to give it a shot.
00:03.360: It's really funny.
00:03.360: So they might be able to do that because it's really just the metadata.
00:03.360: It takes a little bit of time each time you buy a drive.
00:03.360: We have accumulated I think my latest backup drive number is one twenty six.
00:03.360: You know, we were talking about bear drives.
00:03.440: Um something like, Hey, I'm gonna give Funnel Cut Ten a a try on my first job.
00:03.440: Okay.
00:03.440: Yeah, it's all HD.
00:03.440: Pardon me?
00:03.440: I mean, I would like to be able to push things onto two monitors nicely and a little more be a bit more, you know, rearrange the windows, but everyone's been asking for that.
00:03.440: And I know that.
00:03.440: Yes, yes.
00:03.440: I record the brand, the model number, the serial number, how big it is, the purchase date, where I bought it, and when the warranty expires.
00:03.520: He goes, John Thomas.
00:03.520: Yes.
00:03.520: Sorry about that.
00:03.520: Right.
00:03.520: I've just decided I'm going to try and make you say the word out as much as I can because that's your one Canadian tell.
00:03.520: Yeah, it's twice a year.
00:03.520: That's right.
00:03.520: So I will say this about Timothy and Arctic Whiteness and the Funnelhead Library Manager.
00:03.520: They live inside a Dropbox folder.
00:03.520: When you have that many hard drives, you know, you one fails.
00:03.600: And um at one particular time I was um I had to be sh basically shuttled to one of my clients up in up in San Francisco.
00:03.600: I looked at it and it's like, nothing looks the way it should.
00:03.600: So it's like I have that and I have that as a disk image that sits on a Drobo, so if I need to, I can pick that up and bring it to another machine, no problem.
00:03.600: It's like not a whole lot of technology.
00:03.600: You know, you can't be afraid if you turn it over and see that green circuit board, ah, right away.
00:03.600: And okay, so you have one of the vertical toaster things.
00:03.600: Superduper.
00:03.680: He looks at my boot.
00:03.680: Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
00:03.680: Gotcha.
00:03.680: Woohoo!
00:03.680: No, that middler.
00:03.680: A big bag of hurt or a whole world of hurt.
00:03.680: So there was no, I couldn't find a simple way to do it in 10.
00:03.680: I was using the nudge a lot.
00:03.680: No, no, and and you're and you're probably better off for it.
00:03.680: Well, you know how I get over it?
00:03.680: It's just the map for rebuilding everything.
00:03.680: Explain that.
00:03.760: How much exposure or how much have you actually done in Final Cut 10?
00:03.760: I looked at it and I was like, oh yeah, it is on the secondary display.
00:03.760: You are episode 56.
00:03.760: That's right.
00:03.760: When you start delving into the keyboard shortcuts that aren't hardwired
00:03.760: Don't get me wrong.
00:03.760: I kind of thought, okay, I'm going to lose sleep.
00:03.760: And it says if I hit the delete button now, I will delete 116 gigabytes of just render files.
00:03.760: That's why I was like, give me a minute when I when we were talking before, I was like, give me a few minutes to shut everything down.
00:03.760: No, Tom, I'm teasing you only slightly, but frankly, I think that everybody has, there's a lesson to be learned.
00:03.760: It's very interesting to talk to people that are just getting their feet wet.
00:03.840: Right.
00:03.840: Well, so you know, you do the shoot and then you color grade it because that's what you do.
00:03.840: Cool.
00:03.840: I do not have.
00:03.840: I split my data the minute it comes off the the first card, and we make two copies of it.
00:03.920: And one of them is called I think I do call it projects.
00:03.920: Now, you're going to have to have your media also, and therein comes probably something like Super Duper and the Drobos.
00:03.920: That gets saved onto a drive, and then that goes it goes.
00:03.920: Tell your friends, leave the comments, and thanks for supporting our good friends at Premium Beat.
00:04.000: I know that, like, my great-grandfather owned a business in Toronto on Front Street.
00:04.000: I mean, I remember I remember when I first started playing with Premiere, it was like I think it was three or four.
00:04.000: Um part of Thursday was out and
00:04.000: I mean, if you've done 33 of these, you probably.
00:04.000: Right.
00:04.000: Don't mind me.
00:04.000: You know, editable lower, you know, custom lower thirds for everything.
00:04.000: It's I think it's cheap, it's like 10 or 11 bucks.
00:04.000: 6, because that's 10.
00:04.080: This is, we are calling this Friday Office in the Pub.
00:04.080: There's the zoom out full control.
00:04.080: Once again, I want to thank our friends at Premium Beat.
00:04.080: Yes.
00:04.080: You're not applying yourself.
00:04.080: You press one, two, three.
00:04.080: Okay, okay, I get it.
00:04.080: Okay, this is, I'm, you know, this is my fine.
00:04.080: I love stuff on the App Store.
00:04.080: So is that an old school like full height five and a quarter?
00:04.080: He's going to search the database.
00:04.080: That's awesome.
00:04.160: So the word of advice is if you look like you're gonna get robbed, make friends first.
00:04.160: So it's predominantly it's shot on one camera, and that's just because there's only one of me, and I cannot run two cameras myself.
00:04.160: So it's kind of one of those things.
00:04.160: But no, it was a very fast process.
00:04.160: Okay.
00:04.160: He would love to chat with you.
00:04.160: But if you don't mind seeing that circuit board, my whole thing is this is the cheapest way to make copies of all of your data.
00:04.240: He goes, Huh?
00:04.240: Well, no, no, I walk a lot, and that's when I listen to podcasts.
00:04.240: I don't know if you ever used Keynote, but I have, yeah.
00:04.240: But it sure would be nice if there was some way to take a step back and search through all.
00:04.240: Yep, I got that.
00:04.320: I got crutches.
00:04.320: I did some of that.
00:04.320: And that was a nightmare.
00:04.320: You keep saying that.
00:04.320: Oh, so he's got a mishmash.
00:04.320: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:04.320: Anyway, so rat hole number two.
00:04.320: Totally.
00:04.320: We'll figure that out.
00:04.320: I have not.
00:04.320: Yeah.
00:04.320: Okay.
00:04.320: Do you have plans for the next project that you want to do in Final Cat 10?
00:04.400: And so to me, I'm a I work best under pressure.
00:04.400: So, now you've given me a few clues about your background here because.
00:04.400: I used it for like a week or two.
00:04.400: We finally finished posting on that and it's out now, thank goodness.
00:04.400: Yeah, I think the people that gravitate toward the keyboard are probably people that have some sort of live background.
00:04.400: Maybe eight.
00:04.400: Then I just open them up, here you go.
00:04.400: And it's like, here's your solution: spend 10 bucks, run this.
00:04.400: Superduper.
00:04.400: So every Friday, I grab my laptop and I go do paperwork or write, you know, anything that I can do while sitting in a pub.
00:04.400: And you guys didn't get to see it, but during the interview, he stood up, and we were actually doing this as a video chat, but I just recorded the sound, obviously.
00:04.480: Oh, okay.
00:04.480: There's a, you know, there's a lot of flailing around trying to figure out things, and you know, the
00:04.480: Very good.
00:04.480: Also available in the Mac App Store.
00:04.480: I want to have you on.
00:04.480: And it's like, so far, okay, it's I'm pretty pleased with it.
00:04.480: On the far left, it's like, I don't have time for that.
00:04.480: Very cool.
00:04.560: I wasn't doing that.
00:04.560: Right.
00:04.560: Okay, so HD, but then you got to dumb it down to standard def for the Devon.
00:04.560: I will happily make.
00:04.560: I saw a video tutorial about making camera archives.
00:04.560: And it's basically show me what's new on the drive since the state, copy this to another drive.
00:04.640: Thomas, right?
00:04.640: I go, Sit down, let's chat.
00:04.640: Do I go?
00:04.640: And then you also said jump to premiere.
00:04.640: You've got to be 15 years into this business, yeah?
00:04.640: And then Apple bought the whole team and they created Final Cut.
00:04.640: They can't do it.
00:04.640: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:04.640: I'm a consummate bug reporter.
00:04.640: So move on to the next shot.
00:04.640: I'm a news user to Final Cut.
00:04.640: Okay.
00:04.640: And this has nothing to do with Final Cut 10.
00:04.640: So it's always by accident, folks.
00:04.720: And I was really good tasks.
00:04.720: My friend Steve Miller, who was on the show several episodes ago, the premier editor.
00:04.720: One of them I got from Ben Consoli was being able to toggle all of the color correction on and off.
00:04.720: And yeah, ever since then, you know, I am surrounded by Drobos.
00:04.720: I know someone that works with a sand in their office, and that sounds like a vacuum cleaner running.
00:04.720: It is your reminder of that time you lost that precious data.
00:04.720: There are people who will lose data, and there are people who have lost data.
00:04.800: You know, this is like 93 or something like that.
00:04.800: Oh, well, let's do that briefly real quick here.
00:04.800: So then I was like, you know what?
00:04.880: It's all just gain stages here.
00:04.880: Right.
00:04.880: I'm rat holing in my head as I speak.
00:04.880: So now you have 1 through 7 selected.
00:04.880: I really got to do that tutorial about how to share things between libraries.
00:04.880: Right.
00:04.880: I have a 10.
00:04.880: But there's a lot of people that are, you know, that swear by that.
00:04.880: Very much appreciate you guys tuning in every week.
00:04.960: Anyway, wow.
00:04.960: Once in the, I guess we're summer, spring, late spring, and once in just before Christmas.
00:04.960: When my cell phone bill comes in, and I download it off the website, it goes into my downloads folder.
00:04.960: And again, if and anybody who knows me has heard me talk about using bear drives, I have, I have.
00:04.960: But yeah, there are any number of them.
00:04.960: Signal path.
00:04.960: I don't have a perfect backup strategy, knock on my IKEA desk again.
00:04.960: It's called Patty Bolands.
00:05.040: I got this big boot.
00:05.040: I just wanted to rip you off, you know?
00:05.040: You're saying in Ottawa there's a belly dance community?
00:05.040: Very good.
00:05.040: So I'm going to add a keyboard shortcut for that because I exported 33 of them.
00:05.040: And I'll get over it after I've done a few more projects.
00:05.040: Have you ever had a Drobo disc die on you and have to regenerate it?
00:05.040: Unfortunately, this isn't a video podcast.
00:05.040: 6 is where classic likes to live.
00:05.120: I mean, many, many people download and listen to this show.
00:05.120: I see your name pop up mentioning stuff about the show.
00:05.120: It's a real honor to be trusted with that material.
00:05.120: So yeah, I I mean I think
00:05.120: It's a Mac Pro 2008 or 2009, I forget.
00:05.120: 03 or something like that.
00:05.120: $10 app that will search your hard drive.
00:05.120: I talk about this about every three months at the local Mac user group that we run.
00:05.200: It's kind of funny.
00:05.200: This is the 33rd show I've shot.
00:05.200: So that was pretty cool.
00:05.200: And I was like, this is really weird behavior.
00:05.200: I'm like, okay, I'm going to be extra cautious with how I handle everything.
00:05.200: Yeah.
00:05.280: Do I take the jump to Premiere?
00:05.280: I know.
00:05.280: For that section, that was actually for the DVD intro, so that the entire thing is 30 seconds long.
00:05.280: And I bet you it is within their power to give another level deep of information.
00:05.360: He had some name for it, I can't remember what it was.
00:05.360: Just go look at it.
00:05.360: I did some of that.
00:05.360: Okay, I remember that episode.
00:05.360: Exactly.
00:05.360: I will say that a lot of people have been noticing that if you're having sluggishness in the timeline, closing the inspector can make things run smoother.
00:05.360: Okay.
00:05.360: So I know you can nudge more than two clicks.
00:05.360: There's got to be something.
00:05.360: So I'm going to just pull the yellow down.
00:05.360: I know you're using the Drobos for hardware.
00:05.360: So basically, I will send you a link to the blog post about this.
00:05.360: It takes me about a minute to do it.
00:05.360: But I found out through my friend Carl Olson, I was telling him that, you know, it was so
00:05.440: It's a great interview.
00:05.440: So I can twirl down the library and see
00:05.440: So it's not exactly what you're saying.
00:05.440: Oh, me too.
00:05.440: Superduper is to back up my boot drives.
00:05.440: And do you have multiple copies before you start bringing it into Final Fat?
00:05.440: This is what happens.
00:05.440: I know I'm familiar with Super Duper.
00:05.440: So you mentioned this pub twice.
00:05.520: Like, what's your name?
00:05.520: And frankly, the episode that went live earlier today, we're recording this on June 13th.
00:05.520: Yeah, so there's two a year of this of this particular.
00:05.520: Basically, near the end, I will abandon the main camera and go down with my 7D and shoot.
00:05.520: I will say, as per request, and I know you've heard this.
00:05.520: People are not going to like this.
00:05.520: 6 install that has classic and nothing else.
00:05.600: Okay.
00:05.600: When that thing turned on, it took forever to spin up.
00:05.600: Exactly.
00:05.680: Oh, absolutely.
00:05.680: Sorry, it's Rocket.
00:05.680: Sure.
00:05.760: Yeah, that's me.
00:05.760: And I and I looked at him, I go
00:05.760: Good guess.
00:05.760: And that was I was looking at it to try for a project, a web series that I was that was starting in post-production.
00:05.760: And three.
00:05.760: It's kind of a bad term, but the
00:05.760: To the people who are like me, who are like, I don't know about this.
00:05.840: That might be better.
00:05.840: So he and his buddy, who's also from like Manchester, uh this is Gordon Anton.
00:05.840: Do you have to add it still?
00:05.840: So I think that, you know, if you're a guy that just has one, it's your job, you know, like I
00:05.840: Oh, and then the other thing it does is you can look at a library.
00:05.840: It's a relatively inexpensive you can use it for free, and it will do a whole bootable copy of your hard drive.
00:05.840: Here's one.
00:05.840: Is it double safe at this point?
00:05.840: There's all these comments from all these other countries, too.
00:05.920: I know there's a few of you up there.
00:05.920: And then, okay, so let me ask you then.
00:05.920: I just saved 110 gigs on my drive.
00:05.920: Okay, so it's the similar strategy.
00:05.920: I'll just take a step back and I'll just do a direct import straight into the straight into the Final Cut library.
00:05.920: Has a number on it.
00:05.920: Just a crazy story.
00:06.000: If I don't hit that, I can't see my waveform.
00:06.000: Because he was a mouser and he's a great editor.
00:06.000: And, you know, I it's it was kind of cool because I I
00:06.000: I mean, I have whole tutorials on my website about using Keynote for
00:06.000: And then it was, in one case, I just said, you know, copy and paste across all of the sequences to get
00:06.000: Yeah.
00:06.000: Well, the people at BuyMug are going to laugh at our Mac user group.
00:06.080: It was scary.
00:06.080: Okay.
00:06.080: Well, that's essentially it, because some of the dancers will ask for digital copy, like high-definition versions, so that they can post to YouTube.
00:06.080: So when you're doing color grading and color correction, you can like tink, tink, tink, tink, you can toggle it on and off without having to slide a bunch of panels and stuff.
00:06.160: It's like, you know, here I am, I do all this time and I spend all this time encouraging people to like give Final Cut a try.
00:06.160: And he looks back at my bag.
00:06.160: But anyway, I know they're putting a lot of work and passion into that.
00:06.160: Well, first of all, thank you for doing the podcast.
00:06.160: The inspector?
00:06.160: It's like it's very simple in the beginning, and then we slide over all the panels, and it's like, okay, now I have a real tool in front of me.
00:06.160: Right.
00:06.160: First real project.
00:06.160: This is the rough, done.
00:06.160: It's actually not a plugin, it's an app.
00:06.160: They just that's Tom's table.
00:06.240: So um I caught up with him later in the week.
00:06.240: It's like, okay, what do I have to do after this?
00:06.240: Anyway, so I got a personal note from Randy Eubelos.
00:06.240: Anyway, I'm teasing.
00:06.240: There's limits.
00:06.240: So that was a little annoying, but I will keyboard shortcut my way out of that later.
00:06.240: I created a folder in my library and in my setup.
00:06.240: Yeah, yeah.
00:06.240: That was seven hundred and fifty, seven hundred and sixty megabytes.
00:06.240: I'm not backed up well.
00:06.240: Okay, so I interrupt you on what Hazel does for you.
00:06.320: Go listen to some of the most popular.
00:06.320: That's I go because they want me there.
00:06.320: Done.
00:06.320: Yeah.
00:06.320: Okay, cool.
00:06.320: I think the fallacy was that they used a term that was already being used.
00:06.320: Even if the drive is unmounted.
00:06.320: All right.
00:06.400: Yeah, so these are just uh you know, you you do enough of these conversations and you and you pick up on things.
00:06.400: I mean, you could even do, you know, Deep South, you know, Brooklyn.
00:06.400: And I was even teasing you the other day.
00:06.400: Okay.
00:06.400: I'm going to be working like a crazy person, flailing around, trying to figure things out.
00:06.400: I don't know if you heard.
00:06.400: Now I got two.
00:06.400: I just look it up in the spreadsheet.
00:06.400: So that's
00:06.400: And I mean, I have a routine.
00:06.480: You can call me Tom.
00:06.480: Yeah, it was the late 90s.
00:06.480: I don't have time to figure this out.
00:06.480: Well, because they're expensive to make and they take time.
00:06.480: How I got around using it.
00:06.480: Okay, I'm going to say I've never seen anything like that.
00:06.480: And if I remember correctly, if you email them.
00:06.480: So okay, so I'm gonna pick your brain a little bit because I will say that
00:06.480: 6 partition.
00:06.480: Yeah, I have three of these actually, right.
00:06.480: And now, with the advent of USB 3, I mean, you buy a flat tray and it's like 30 bucks, 35 bucks.
00:06.480: I got four Drobos and I'm backing up my Drobos.
00:06.560: I worked with something called a Raptor.
00:06.560: Those guys can, you give them any cue, any prompt you want to say, to speak.
00:06.560: Now, I had asked you earlier.
00:06.560: So I had to copy and paste them.
00:06.560: Wow.
00:06.560: And I have a similar rule for media.
00:06.560: Exactly.
00:06.640: Do I, where do I go?
00:06.640: And actually, at that point.
00:06.640: Okay.
00:06.640: Oh, you gotta render it.
00:06.640: That's the simplest way to figure it out: start sliding things around.
00:06.640: I don't understand it.
00:06.640: So I have about 50 drives in circulation right now.
00:06.640: You've been grilled.
00:06.720: I did some of that.
00:06.720: You know, it's funny.
00:06.720: And today's Friday.
00:06.720: I was very impressed with the multi-cam.
00:06.720: The guides in Keynote are spectacular, and I want to see more of those in Final Cut 10.
00:06.720: I've been eyeing the new one.
00:06.720: I know.
00:06.720: Projects.
00:06.720: So part of my routine for that is I go to the bank, drop off two hard drives, take two hard drives out and bring those back.
00:06.720: I don't know if you can see that number.
00:06.720: If you're in Ottawa on any day of the week, I'll happily pop in and give you the grand tour.
00:06.800: But as it turned out, Thomas is more than just.
00:06.800: It's like three fingers and one, no, back to two.
00:06.800: That is nice.
00:06.800: These guys are obviously
00:06.800: Which then triggered the okay, I'm going to proceed with it's going to be another 20 years before you try and use a camera archive.
00:06.880: So I'm guessing
00:06.880: You know, like you don't need to ever use the Timeline Index, but slide it open and you have a whole bunch of power.
00:06.880: So comma and period to nudge things over a few frames back and forth.
00:06.880: Developers know me.
00:06.880: Yeah, I don't think I would.
00:06.880: So I can go, oh, that's on this drive.
00:06.880: And then there's the version that they sell on their store that will
00:06.880: Let's see here.
00:06.880: There is a continuum of
00:06.880: Yeah, yeah.
00:06.960: 56 was essentially a repeat of 50 45.
00:06.960: We've been living in Final Cut.
00:06.960: But everything back then was a nightmare.
00:06.960: Including the fact that I didn't know what I was doing.
00:06.960: And you're telling me, oh, yeah, I just did this thing in Final Claude 10 over the weekend.
00:06.960: A little actually.
00:06.960: Okay.
00:06.960: Oh, yeah, but surely.
00:06.960: I'm not going to.
00:06.960: It's just a numbers file, dude.
00:06.960: But there's a bunch of drives that have been that aren't in use anymore.
00:07.040: And um if you haven't heard episode forty-five or episode uh fifty-six, um
00:07.040: That's right.
00:07.040: Yeah, the inspector.
00:07.040: Um I
00:07.040: I'
00:07.040: And again, this is the viewpoint of a
00:07.040: I'm just thinking to the last one.
00:07.040: Yeah.
00:07.040: Okay.
00:07.040: What are you using for software?
00:07.040: When drives have died in them, a light pops on and it says
00:07.040: Right.
00:07.040: Other people will show up with laptops and we'll just work quietly.
00:07.120: I'm going to do this job in Final Cut 10.
00:07.120: You probably are, yes.
00:07.120: I, you know, watched a bunch of YouTube videos and it's like, okay, I think I can figure this out.
00:07.120: Sure.
00:07.120: That's stupid.
00:07.200: So you decided to give this one.
00:07.200: I thought it was one of the defaults, no?
00:07.200: I mean, the background rendering.
00:07.200: Period.
00:07.200: There's a bug somewhere.
00:07.200: The chapter markers went, but they were all blank.
00:07.200: All of that's taking, you know, so same amount of time.
00:07.200: No, and that's actually some of the metadata stuff is something that in this particular case, I didn't have time to do, but it's the kind of thing that now that the project is done, I can go back.
00:07.200: Okay, that's a good one.
00:07.200: Awesome.
00:07.280: And uh
00:07.280: Okay.
00:07.280: I don't remember exactly when I started listening to it.
00:07.280: Is usually when I do an on-site, I'll take off and go, you know.
00:07.280: I mean, if you've had access, let's say you've been doing this for five years.
00:07.280: I know.
00:07.280: So, um
00:07.280: Events.
00:07.360: So what what's the W for?
00:07.360: Yeah.
00:07.360: Mm, okay.
00:07.360: Never seen that now.
00:07.360: That's true.
00:07.440: They're in Ottawa.
00:07.440: And he goes,
00:07.440: Well, I'll tell you why I thought Toronto, because I actually, my.
00:07.440: So I get four, whatever.
00:07.440: So
00:07.440: And I was actually
00:07.440: To correct an end, okay, oh
00:07.440: Oh, probably.
00:07.440: So that happens magically.
00:07.440: I'm confused.
00:07.440: It survived me just flailing around until just clicking on things until I figured it out.
00:07.520: They have been
00:07.520: Anyway, okay, so you're in Ottawa capital.
00:07.520: Sequence.
00:07.520: And so far, I'm not making any off of that.
00:07.520: It's fast, it works brilliantly.
00:07.520: So keep an eye out.
00:07.520: He said, you know, it changed my career when I lost two years of development work on a game.
00:07.600: So then it's a I have to decide whether I'm going to include
00:07.600: Actually, this is something I've never talked about.
00:07.600: So, if you have this
00:07.680: So a couple of years ago, I was in a car accident and I kind of crushed my foot.
00:07.680: I mean, I started off on tape-to-tape.
00:07.680: So basically, you know, okay, I got to color grade this puppy.
00:07.680: Yeah.
00:07.680: Yeah.
00:07.680: 1, 2, 3, 4.
00:07.680: I guess one of the things that drove me the most crazy about it was the
00:07.680: It produces this really nice pie chart of what's chewing up your hard drive space and allows you to go in and delete things.
00:07.680: So because they make a they don't make a huge amount of noise, but
00:07.680: And whenever something goes into this folder, do something.
00:07.680: Oh, okay, that's still in warranty.
00:07.680: I mean, that's why I have a backup outside of the house
00:07.760: Hope it goes well.
00:07.760: Okay.
00:07.760: I said, Hey, you want to talk on the show?
00:07.760: Cool.
00:07.760: Well, let's see.
00:07.760: Yeah, well, that's the thing.
00:07.760: Ugh, uh
00:07.840: Hey, uh, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, whatever time you're listening to this.
00:07.840: Right.
00:07.840: So you have an accent too there.
00:07.840: Duh.
00:07.840: So yeah, this is turning into a Mac user group episode here.
00:07.840: And
00:07.840: Yeah.
00:07.840: So that if anything goes horrendously wrong with upgrading an OS, because I typically run
00:07.840: Move on.
00:07.920: So I would encourage you to listen to what he had to say.
00:07.920: Just flip the video upside down and put some credits on it with Final Cut, 10, just to see.
00:07.920: Was his name Bob?
00:07.920: So basically, ingested late Tuesday night.
00:07.920: So you've had these really amazing cameras.
00:07.920: No, you really don't.
00:07.920: No, I had almost no problems at all.
00:07.920: I'm like, it's a really funny thing.
00:07.920: No big deal.
00:07.920: I'm very there might be something funky with my machine then.
00:07.920: So if
00:07.920: I have my local drives in my Mac Pro, so I've got my four drives in there, it gets copied there, and then there's a script that watches, oh, great program called Hazel.
00:07.920: I'm okay with losing a few files.
00:07.920: So I think that there is a safe place to be in the middle.
00:07.920: But it's another thing to lose three years of work.
00:07.920: I have a very fixed routine for Fridays.
00:07.920: Please tell your friends, go to the iTunes and leave a comment.
00:08.000: Because I'm getting I'm getting the vibe.
00:08.000: Yeah, I actually I did some flyer stuff.
00:08.000: Let's talk about a sidetrack story.
00:08.000: 56.
00:08.000: Like that is really, really nice.
00:08.000: Because I did a new intro in motion five so that it would slide.
00:08.000: New version, you know, duplicate and keep going.
00:08.000: But so much of stuff of life is driven by fear.
00:08.000: I don't need any of the media, obviously.
00:08.000: And if one does, I have other problems and probably don't care.
00:08.000: Yes, I I will talk you through it.
00:08.000: 51.
00:08.080: I got to play with one, and I'm like, oh, man.
00:08.160: So.
00:08.160: There are belly dance communities all over the place.
00:08.160: He says
00:08.160: Yeah.
00:08.160: One of my clients, he's from
00:08.160: That was another thing.
00:08.160: Oh, interesting.
00:08.160: Now, it's important to remember that this is just
00:08.160: After that, it got weird.
00:08.160: Right now, right now, right now?
00:08.160: So basically, I record.
00:08.160: How many drives in the last 10 years have you had to send back for Armay?
00:08.160: And on the far right is you.
00:08.160: What you don't want to do is move data to a point where it's not any safer.
00:08.160: That's very, I'm, it's very true.
00:08.240: So every single hard drive that comes in
00:08.240: So, well, yeah, you're packing everything up four times.
00:08.320: And and uh
00:08.320: And you know, you can sort by most popular, you can sort by most recent.
00:08.320: And so all of a sudden, I got this new friend.
00:08.320: Next thing you know.
00:08.320: And
00:08.320: I couldn't get the thing to capture.
00:08.320: Oh, I was joking when I said that.
00:08.320: I've no complaint, but he's a total mouser.
00:08.320: That was.
00:08.320: Yeah, something.
00:08.320: I'll get used to it.
00:08.320: I go, Wha what are you talking about?
00:08.400: Okay.
00:08.400: Because you can make it look better.
00:08.400: Let me I'm gonna assume you were using pretty big
00:08.400: I think I gave in.
00:08.400: Like, for example, I'm looking at one of my projects here.
00:08.400: Okay.
00:08.480: Even if you don't purchase anything.
00:08.480: And I kind of build that into my schedule.
00:08.480: And I know this for a fact because I did it.
00:08.480: There's probably.
00:08.480: And somebody went, Yeah, okay.
00:08.480: It's called Final Cut Library Manager, and it's from a company called Arctic Whiteness, I think.
00:08.480: It's just a numbers file.
00:08.560: And the product my production for
00:08.560: So I can, I can, it's searchable down to the project level.
00:08.560: Right.
00:08.560: Daisy Disc.
00:08.560: Okay, Thomas, thank you so much.
00:08.640: I've been experimenting with trying some other things.
00:08.640: I was like, oh man, multi-cam, this is not.
00:08.640: So it was.
00:08.640: You option click number 7, 1, 2, 3, 4, option click number 6.
00:08.640: Projects, events.
00:08.640: So very touching.
00:08.720: It's all your basically he was saying, It's all your fault, Fenwick.
00:08.720: This is called Friday Office in the Pub.
00:08.720: And I you know, I learned stuff from everyone.
00:08.720: Oh, gee.
00:08.720: Well, neither do I.
00:08.720: I want to kind of break it down for the next few minutes because
00:08.800: He said he had a very short turnaround and he said not only did it go very well, but he was ahead of schedule and he
00:08.800: So I drag the caption window off and it put on the other display.
00:08.800: Let's talk about the thing that you just edited because you, like you said, you had a very short turnaround on it.
00:08.800: Holy cow, what a nice thing.
00:08.800: Good, good, good, good.
00:08.800: But
00:08.800: That's right.
00:08.800: There's a Hazel roll that watches in there.
00:08.880: And he is a hardcore backup nerd.
00:08.880: So.
00:08.880: You know, in the simplest of edits, you may not have to use the inspector.
00:08.880: No, think if you think about it.
00:08.880: I don't even have to lift a finger, which is the best kind of backup.
00:08.880: One goes onto the work drive and one goes on a drive that's on the shelf.
00:08.960: Don't know what it is.
00:08.960: Titles of the chapter markers didn't carry over from where to where.
00:08.960: I don't know if you can see that.
00:09.040: We know there's cool stuff up there, but we barely ever go and poke around.
00:09.040: Okay.
00:09.040: You know.
00:09.040: Yeah, so that's hard drive number 51.
00:09.120: And you're like, No, I'm working.
00:09.120: Yep.
00:09.200: Um, it's William.
00:09.200: Okay, yeah.
00:09.200: I have four Drobos around me right now.
00:09.280: You mentioned.
00:09.280: Yeah.
00:09.280: I was like, I don't have time to try it on my laptop.
00:09.280: And
00:09.280: Yeah.
00:09.280: I'm not going to say the name of it because we've been keeping that.
00:09.360: And I type in the thing, and I'm like, hey, it aborts on capture, blah, blah, blah.
00:09.360: My
00:09.360: Okay, I may be a few episodes behind then.
00:09.360: Yeah, you were probably thinking, ah, I could pull this off because you knew
00:09.360: I can actually answer you a question.
00:09.360: And that's.
00:09.440: We have to dig back in time, but it probably was in January.
00:09.440: And, you know, it's like, oh, okay, this is the master control on the left.
00:09.440: I like discrete
00:09.440: Gotcha.
00:09.520: I can think it was a public tweet.
00:09.520: And in seven, you would just, you know.
00:09.520: I called the dang thing projects.
00:09.520: I think that's gonna start in the next month or two or something.
00:09.600: You're like a brand new.
00:09.600: So I would be done tomorrow as opposed to early this morning.
00:09.600: Well, the reason we can't is our hard drives are slow and our files are big.
00:09.600: No, one, back to two.
00:09.600: It's pretty spectacular now.
00:09.600: I mean, other than clicking around going, okay, how does this work?
00:09.600: So if you have
00:09.600: It might not be too hard to actually have it.
00:09.680: So.
00:09.680: One, two, three, four.
00:09.680: And he goes, Well, you're just seeing the US comments.
00:09.760: Wow, I learned something new.
00:09.760: Okay.
00:09.760: And this is an audio podcast.
00:09.760: That's it for this episode.
00:09.840: And yes, you can do that in a color wheel just by going to the complementary color.
00:09.840: Yeah, I worked the same way.
00:09.840: Because I have
00:09.920: Sorry about that.
00:09.920: Um, actually, um
00:09.920: I can, that's cool.
00:10.000: Yep.
00:10.080: It's otherwise, I won't get any exercise ever.
00:10.080: Okay.
00:10.080: Off it goes to RMA, and I got a new drive.
00:10.080: Okay, so in the seven years.
00:10.080: It's a.
00:10.160: Okay, tourism is going to blow up now.
00:10.160: So the next time I boot Premiere, I notice
00:10.240: I go, Well, as soon as you're done, when you deliver, let's talk.
00:10.240: And it's like, oh, I heard something about chapter markers being weird.
00:10.240: And that worked like a champ.
00:10.320: Didn't know what I was doing, had to generate new assets.
00:10.320: And we keep a separate library for each one of the houses.
00:10.400: And then it's okay.
00:10.400: I delayed each one by four frames, so it just went
00:10.480: William Thomas.
00:10.480: So we were talking about.
00:10.480: Well, exactly.
00:10.480: That's what I figured.
00:10.480: I'm a very hardcore backup person.
00:10.480: And I did a camera archive, and it didn't work.
00:10.560: Well, no, no, in all seriousness, thank you for doing it.
00:10.560: Okay.
00:10.560: I was having this discussion with somebody the other day.
00:10.640: Most people are somewhere in the middle of that.
00:10.720: I'm dipping my toes in the water guy.
00:10.720: I mean, that guy
00:10.720: Very cool.
00:10.720: Definitely worth looking into some of that stuff.
00:10.800: Uh actually Gordon was a guest on the show.
00:10.800: That is a hard drive that died on me.
00:10.880: So I'm not going to ask for that.
00:10.880: Okay, so
00:10.880: Okay.
00:10.880: We'll be back at the end of the weekend with another episode of Final Cut Christm
00:10.960: You'll see why.
00:10.960: So I knew that
00:10.960: Yes.
00:11.040: It's like I'm not a clairvoyant.
00:11.040: We're talking about playing the rat hole song here.
00:11.040: So open up the color.
00:11.040: And I'm going to do it right now.
00:11.040: I gotta say.
00:11.120: Let's talk about Federal Cut then.
00:11.120: I'm very, very impressed with this.
00:11.120: It had been a full height drive, but he had taken it out of its shell.
00:11.200: It's like, okay, I, you know.
00:11.200: Yeah.
00:11.360: I think you're
00:11.360: That's probably about three grand.
00:11.440: And I'm one of the things I'm going to say to you is like
00:11.440: That's what I figured.
00:11.520: Oh, boy.
00:11.520: It is.
00:11.600: This is another episode of the Final Cut Grill.
00:11.600: I have a funny uh let me think, I gotta turn
00:11.600: That was an amazing editor with a horrible tear.
00:11.600: Anyway.
00:11.680: That's actually very interesting if you want to get like
00:11.680: So, um
00:11.680: And I am going to look into Hazel.
00:11.760: Yeah.
00:11.760: So.
00:11.840: Yeah, with the fader bar, right?
00:11.920: Okay.
00:11.920: So somebody was afraid to say that was a dumb idea.
00:11.920: Yeah.
00:12.000: And I'm like, holy geez.
00:12.080: Go ahead.
00:12.080: Oh no, Friday the 13th.
00:12.080: It's called Sequences.
00:12.080: So when you go into the preferences of Final Cut,
00:12.240: Right.
00:12.320: So, I'm a walker.
00:12.320: Right.
00:12.320: I can't remember who it was.
00:12.320: I was very, very impressed with that.
00:12.320: So I now have generators.
00:12.320: I'm like, What?
00:12.400: And for
00:12.400: It's going to be a long weekend.
00:12.400: And I did.
00:12.480: And uh
00:12.480: And that was okay.
00:12.480: I apologize.
00:12.560: Sure enough, it starts capturing just fine.
00:12.560: If you uh Gordon uh
00:12.640: Okay.
00:12.720: Right.
00:12.800: It just happens.
00:12.880: Yeah, exactly.
00:12.960: So this is like
00:12.960: Okay.
00:13.040: I just I'm an idiot who talks
00:13.040: What's going on?
00:13.440: Full moon.
00:13.440: Very cool.
00:13.680: So, like, that.
00:13.840: What was the pro
00:14.080: Crazy.