Episode 18
FCG018 - Welcome to the Garber Shop (feat. Michael Garber)
So you think the “Share Menu” is amateur? Haven’t taken a close look at Auditions. Michael Garber, from the Garber Shop and I take a close look at these features in Final Cut Pro X and somehow we talk about the Videonics MX Pro and Peabody and his boy Sherman, along the way. Are we dating ourselves?
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- Chris Fenwick
- Michael Garber - michaelgarber.com - @michael Garber
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00:00.001: And it was like, why preview?
00:00.001: And the way that he pressed the buttons and counted the seconds after someone would interview and he knew where to duck down the audio, where the reporter would read live VO.
00:00.001: I downloaded it on day one and I called my friend over, my friend Mike Nichols, who's a big FCP7 editor, and we came up through FCP7 together.
00:00.001: And there are some people that, you know, they live and breathe it, and I and I get that, and I fully respect those people.
00:00.001: I have to get in there and break it.
00:00.080: For me, so I could go out there and make stupid little videos and hopefully one day move to Hollywood, California, and do this for a living.
00:00.080: Refreshing, and you jump in the river, and very quickly you realize, and that's the moment that you buy your first piece of gear.
00:00.080: The six o'clock news because they all knew this was something I wanted to do.
00:00.080: Diddle fiddle those control those compression settings?
00:00.080: After it finishes compressing on Vimeo and set the password.
00:00.080: To Alzheimer's by two years.
00:00.080: Wait a second, are you saying that the PSD is in the library?
00:00.080: It's like, and I can develop my workflows for that.
00:00.080: Draw right to right.
00:00.160: We'll have to wait until apparently after the 4th of February.
00:00.160: you know, jump off one boat when it looks like it's sinking and move to something else, you know.
00:00.160: Haven't been happening so much anymore.
00:00.160: Well, it's true.
00:00.160: that was really magical and even though all i dreamed of was an svhs deck with you know with the flying erase head
00:00.160: For the for the younger set, I remember that box, but explain what the video's.
00:00.160: I think you had to have yeah, you had to have two IR adapters and it would control DEX via IR.
00:00.160: So there was no such thing as frame accuracy with this system.
00:00.160: Did I feel like it was attainable for me to go knock on those doors and say, Hello, Mr.
00:00.160: Pretty quantile paintbox.
00:00.160: Between the two of us, we need to do a write-up about it and put it on the blog here.
00:00.160: Now I know where to steer my, you know, my ship, if you will.
00:00.160: I I guess I can thank myself now because, you know, I didn't have that last year of college to pay down my debt.
00:00.160: Uh let me think, uh how can I how can I tell the story briefly?
00:00.160: be a T V guy or do you want to be a student?
00:00.160: And I yeah.
00:00.160: I just literally couldn't work in it.
00:00.160: I didn't really touch it again until like 10.
00:00.160: Three brought us multicam and four brought us stability after multicam.
00:00.160: Dude, why don't you just pick up Avid?
00:00.160: And I have no problem with it.
00:00.160: I got rid of it.
00:00.160: PHP system that we've designed and built and frankly spent a lot of money on.
00:00.160: Obviously, that's a cool feature, but I don't think that's enough to really make somebody want to walk away from their avid.
00:00.160: And when it looked like Apple had made a mistake, so many people jumped on the iMovie Pro bandwagon.
00:00.160: Tell me what you don't like, Scott.
00:00.160: the end of the day or when I want to open a new project up.
00:00.160: the new Final Cut 10.
00:00.160: I have a system set up for that where I've got an 01 projects folder and then within that I've got folders
00:00.160: Yeah, sure.
00:00.160: That's what Final Cut's all about.
00:00.160: But what I've started to do is put a subfolder in there, and that subfolder is called render to here.
00:00.160: Now I drag it out of render to here into the root of my Anim Renders folder, and the finder will go, Hey, dude, you already got one.
00:00.160: There you go.
00:00.160: because they're always coming up with updates.
00:00.160: I would say it was a very simple workflow back then, and they have reworked Final Cut now so that it can work more like that.
00:00.160: turned off, then you could send that library over to the other editor as well.
00:00.160: You know what it is?
00:00.160: Because you can select multiple ins and outs at the same time.
00:00.160: memo pad on their iPhones.
00:00.160: The render gets into a render loop thing and it goes, you know, zero one hundred, zero, one hundred, zero, one hundred, zero, one hundred
00:00.160: You beat me to it.
00:00.160: We'll make a we'll make a a g we'll invent some sort of a game show where we have people you know try and remember the keyboard shortcut or something like that.
00:00.240: That's my issue.
00:00.240: I really want to encourage you, especially on this episode, go to the Digital Cinema Cafe website and click on on the I think it's the left-hand side, there's a little thing that says Final Click Grill, and you can find the show notes.
00:00.240: to the show.
00:00.240: Though when you go to iTunes and search for the show and click on the comments and review in comments and review the show, it really helps the show be seen by more people.
00:00.240: So that's enough of the little businessy stuff.
00:00.240: I'm doing well.
00:00.240: in a way, see it all as the same.
00:00.240: Yeah.
00:00.240: Oh, gosh, ten years?
00:00.240: Yeah.
00:00.240: That's right.
00:00.240: My friend reminded me, who's a writer, and he said, You know, none of the kids today even know about the original cartoon.
00:00.240: I could make my movies, my silly, stupid little movies, one shot at a time.
00:00.240: Oh, you know, that that is a phrase, flying a race head.
00:00.240: 45 seconds.
00:00.240: Because the first edit systems that I were working on was working on was Sony VO 2600s, I believe.
00:00.240: When I was starting, and I'm going to say this is like, you know, 84, 85, that I was just like, this is not, this is not functional.
00:00.240: Maybe this is like the thing that like brings them back.
00:00.240: Because it was instantaneous and everything was actually frame accurate.
00:00.240: And I guess I think this is an a Florida-based magazine.
00:00.240: And when it came time to make the deal, my dad like walked out of the room and I turned into a salesman or I turned into a consumer.
00:00.240: So I that was my first deal that I ever made.
00:00.240: And it takes you down the river and around a bend and into a canyon that is filled with rapids.
00:00.240: Stay on top.
00:00.240: You know, he would do favors for us and like let me come in and just hang out and see what it was like.
00:00.240: There are some people that um they they live in a bubble, you know, and and this is the only way to work.
00:00.240: Right.
00:00.240: There's something to be said about learning by exploring on your own.
00:00.240: Life is an experience, and it's fun to get out there and discover new things.
00:00.240: Yeah, I did.
00:00.240: three years, which that was actually the biggest mistake, is that I graduated early.
00:00.240: I actually chronicled this on my blog a little bit.
00:00.240: And so then I tried to get into um San Diego State 'cause they had a great broadcasting department.
00:00.240: uh broadcasting department in the whole state of California, si you know, forty, sixty th million people, whatever it is.
00:00.240: I was able to totally focus and concentrate and not worry about making tons of money and not worry about taking tons of units.
00:00.240: And I really and, you know, had no idea what to do next when I saw that.
00:00.240: That's exactly what I did.
00:00.240: Right.
00:00.240: Yeah.
00:00.240: don't like the way it works.
00:00.240: You know, there's lots of things that started to excite me.
00:00.240: 10 guy now.
00:00.240: No, everyone uses it now and it's amazing and the compressions look great and it's easy and it works and it's password protected and my clients love it and no one has an issue with codex or anything like that.
00:00.240: Folder that it hides it in now in the library, in the 10.
00:00.240: Two pass.
00:00.240: exports straight to your Vimeo account, correct?
00:00.240: switches so that, you know, you can set it to like an unlisted video on YouTube where I don't think you could do that before.
00:00.240: And it was like, oh, I can do what I want to do.
00:00.240: Oh, I get it now.
00:00.240: And he we did we call I called it 10.
00:00.240: This thing doesn't work right.
00:00.240: What am I going to be looking at every day for the next 10 years?
00:00.240: about the way specific people work.
00:00.240: I have my media in two places.
00:00.240: Oh, well, actually, I shouldn't say drag it into.
00:00.240: with more folders within that, with footage folders and documents folders and approvals folders and transcodes folders.
00:00.240: Folder nerd, would you be willing to take a snapshot of your folder structure and share it?
00:00.240: And I think that a more organized editor becomes a more efficient editor.
00:00.240: An Anim render file with an alpha channel, blah, blah, blah.
00:00.240: Now, what I'll let's say I make a name key, you know, Michael Garber Editor.
00:00.240: From there, I drag it into a keyword collection called Anim Renders.
00:00.240: I change the E to an A.
00:00.240: And so it is just going to go, oh, new file, yeah, whatever, and it updates it.
00:00.240: Final Cut is managing the files.
00:00.240: the way you're doing it.
00:00.240: or package, you can reveal the PSD in the finder and then open it in Photoshop and edit it and it will update.
00:00.240: I am not negative about that at all.
00:00.240: offers so many flexib so much flexibility.
00:00.240: Back in the old Final Cut 7 days, I used to do exactly that with one job folder, all the media in there, two project files, because those project files
00:00.240: Toss it over to the other guy, he imports it, and he all of a sudden gets your cut of the timeline, correct?
00:00.240: were not like the project files that we have now.
00:00.240: And when you're done, I'll open up yours and import it, you know, copy and paste your two minutes of timeline onto mine.
00:00.240: and just copy the project into it, as long as files as long as the Final Cut wasn't managing the files to begin with, I don't believe that it will copy the files into the new library.
00:00.240: It's actually a little easier with the XML, but in the event that there are ever any issues with the XML with something not going over,
00:00.240: And previous generations, there were all these other methods of doing things, and you just always sort of knew what those were because
00:00.240: Final cut yet.
00:00.240: But in general, in terms of workflow, in terms of importing media and editing into the timeline and working in the most basic sense, I do not have any real workarounds.
00:00.240: Right.
00:00.240: the metadata more.
00:00.240: is I'm trying to sort of embrace the world of metadata more.
00:00.240: Are you on 10-1-1?
00:00.240: Capitalize the word audition.
00:00.240: complicated when you have lots of different layers.
00:00.240: Where's that cut where I said this?
00:00.240: Nope, nope, take that back.
00:00.240: Effect to one version, but you can audition the full color one if somebody wants to see it in color.
00:00.240: And how can I improve on that with Final Cut 10?
00:00.240: is option Y.
00:00.240: Uh-huh.
00:00.240: Okay, but I'm going to tell you how to do it.
00:00.240: I don't know if there's still an issue with right now.
00:00.240: add when there are free keys I'll map stuff to those keys.
00:00.240: I opened up the background task.
00:00.240: I think is very telling in this application is this.
00:00.240: I'm already to the place where I can do everything I used to do in Final Hut 7.
00:00.240: There's so much more that I can learn to be smarter, faster, more efficient.
00:00.240: And you're on Twitter too, right?
00:00.240: it was really fun.
00:00.240: Go to the show notes on the Digital Cinema Cafe website.
00:00.240: So that's it for this episode of Final Cut Grill.
00:00.320: have other people share that because I think it's a fun way to sort of see the way people work.
00:00.320: Packed up.
00:00.320: On the plus side for Apple, I guess.
00:00.320: Run away.
00:00.320: Turn on the Wayback machine here.
00:00.320: Oh man, are you going to make me go online?
00:00.320: Introduction to editing.
00:00.320: Literally, you know, I was a teenager and pretty, you know, hormonal, and it literally did bring me to tears.
00:00.320: Having time code, mainly, you had to rewind the tapes and start from scratch, and then it would just start its own counter.
00:00.320: Until the technology got to the point where it was accessible to me in my little world.
00:00.320: to know what to avoid.
00:00.320: I love learning about you as much as I'm sure your viewers will be somewhat interested in learning about me.
00:00.320: Video gear of 20 years ago.
00:00.320: Where you're standing next to a river and it's a hot summer day and the water looks really refreshing and you think, Oh, I want to jump in the river because the river looks really refreshing
00:00.320: Thing that I bought from something that was like Craigslist that was used.
00:00.320: But it was me really wanting to do this and just looking at everything down to the bottom line in terms of how, you know, fighting my way to get the gear.
00:00.320: Maybe that's the best way of putting it.
00:00.320: You know, above the water.
00:00.320: what we keep up with is a small pittance fraction of what they were trying to keep up with.
00:00.320: So how did you get so we're gonna we're gonna leave the video switcher behind.
00:00.320: Do you mind if I back up one sec?
00:00.320: And I just, this was a pivotal experience for me, seeing how fast he was working and also the timing.
00:00.320: watching him cut news minutes before the news went on the air on his he had Sony RME 450s at the time.
00:00.320: And it's when you see that, it's really inspirational.
00:00.320: In my face when she looked at my transcript.
00:00.320: For the station that was in our college, because there was a PBS affiliate down the hall, literally
00:00.320: And been muddling away, you know, doing this stuff for 30 years.
00:00.320: I was in the holy crap, my career is over in Final Cut and do I need to learn Avid?
00:00.320: It was just it was complete confusion.
00:00.320: And I was like, let's just open the app up and start learning it and see what's going on here.
00:00.320: Yeah, you know, I I I and I've said this many times, I owned an avid in brief very briefly in the late 90s, and it fought me for three months.
00:00.320: Ten World, what were the things that excited you as you started to learn it?
00:00.320: And just have it do it.
00:00.320: and the the password Vimeo Pro thing.
00:00.320: about the magnetic timeline.
00:00.320: see the reverse effect of your life going back to the NAB, you know, video and watching how he, you know, was it Randy Eubelos who was using the magnetic timeline and making it work and my brain going, oh, that's how it works.
00:00.320: that we don't like or that don't work right.
00:00.320: toggle your brain just a little.
00:00.320: But I'm here to tell you there are times when I just want to, oh, I wish I could just turn that off.
00:00.320: do little personal projects, which is what I did.
00:00.320: Well, I started a job in 7 and then I used Philip and Greg's 7 to 10 to move over a project to see, first off, what would it look like?
00:00.320: Right.
00:00.320: And I get how they felt back then because honestly, I was one of those people.
00:00.320: And I did a documentary for KCRW, it was kind of a newsy documentary piece about the record scene.
00:00.320: But that system still changes.
00:00.320: Which means hopefully I won't get Alzheimer's when I'm 76.
00:00.320: So I want to talk about some I always love this question about like how to I'm getting more I should say I'm getting more curious
00:00.320: I want to talk about first let's talk about the library with 10.
00:00.320: Oh, that was great.
00:00.320: And to be honest, it simplifies my workflow because when I want to import music or graphics, I just drag it into the library and I don't think about it.
00:00.320: So then wherever it started on the desktop or whatever drive it's on, you're going to now make another copy of it and it's going to flow it into
00:00.320: To do this job successfully.
00:00.320: I do, because I have so many keyframes invested in After Effects, I do tons of stuff in After Effects.
00:00.320: No, no, you can't do that.
00:00.320: Go back to the finder, go back to final cut, and it's already been updated.
00:00.320: somebody who, you know, wants to just cut together a quick little video for their website.
00:00.320: Post-facility environment really well, and it also works in a mom-and-pop shop where you've got
00:00.320: Basically, what you would have, I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, you have a central storage area, which could be just an attached hard drive.
00:00.320: Using gigabit Ethernet.
00:00.320: you could say copy just the project into its own library, like create a new library.
00:00.320: into the browser, which I had been complaining last week, was not working well.
00:00.320: So recently I was cutting a news piece where the the newscaster was reading to camera and he did a bunch of different takes and I just took all I just selected all those different takes out of the same shot
00:00.320: duplicate as on as audition or I believe it is control shift wire.
00:00.320: My edits.
00:00.320: When I'm driving home from work or whatever.
00:00.320: And then C again over the video clip, and then Command Shift R, and there you go.
00:00.320: going to confirm that.
00:00.320: we can pretty well be certain that there will be a ten point zero two very quickly.
00:00.320: And I will say that I'm s I'm experiencing some some little sniggly bugs in 10.
00:00.320: But then when you dig just a little bit deeper, then you start seeing and this is getting back to that subjunctive verb that I referenced earlier.
00:00.320: You can go to my blog, garbershop.
00:00.400: It's late.
00:00.400: Before we get to the interview, I just want to say a couple of things.
00:00.400: You know, like I wear mini hats, so I have to have a lot of you know, hats to hang up when I'm not doing that particular thing.
00:00.400: anything really.
00:00.400: On tape-to-tape systems, and by that I mean VHS-to-VHS decks.
00:00.400: the the commitment to purchasing gear is kind of like I may have v vocalized this on one of the shows.
00:00.400: And this was just this was this was a really a magical experience because everything was working and it was frame accurate.
00:00.400: But in my entire career, but I knew I did want to do this as part of it.
00:00.400: What could be, you know?
00:00.400: And it is called the subjunctive.
00:00.400: Yeah, that's the thing I've imagined I needed all along, you know?
00:00.400: You know, I was a film school nerd and I loved, I, you know, wanted to direct, but the editing suite was sort of where I blossomed and where people knew like that's what Michael knows how to do.
00:00.400: You know, those real early 10.
00:00.400: And when it seems to start to get ready, I will jump back in because I need to figure other stuff out right now.
00:00.400: Using the Vimeo output.
00:00.400: What codec is it uploading?
00:00.400: If it doesn't, then I would have a problem doing it at the office anyway.
00:00.400: One of the questions was like, I don't understand why my I can't, you know, make cuts in music like I do in Final Cut 7 and do overlaps.
00:00.400: Join the two clips together in a secondary storyline and then double-click on them, and that expands the audio as if it was like an audio-video clip.
00:00.400: take the audio on the on the B side and slip it under on the A side do a J cut or an L cut right and and that was that was my moment where I was I got the magnetic timeline
00:00.400: To edit and cut.
00:00.400: Oh, you know, I answered that question on either Facebook, one of the forums, or on The Cow the other day.
00:00.400: If you have, let me think in the import tab.
00:00.400: It's just easier to do that.
00:00.400: I just realized you can audition different effects, not just different shots.
00:00.400: It's not shift, it's not the opposite.
00:00.480: But so I just wanted to let you know about that.
00:00.480: I'm just happy to be here.
00:00.480: Yeah, those things are tempting.
00:00.480: And I ended up and there were better things available, just not to me.
00:00.480: Basically, I got the dough eyes going and I just said, you know, I think he was trying to sell it for $350.
00:00.480: I would make sure they knew that.
00:00.480: I'm going to be completely honest here.
00:00.480: I said, okay, I need to learn this, and there's something here that I need to.
00:00.480: In my company and the work that I do.
00:00.480: I'm not going to have like a this is the moment.
00:00.480: You know, we've talked about this on the show that, you know, it was really fun.
00:00.480: And I did have thoughts well before Final Cut 10 came out that, boy, I would love to do be able to do this differently.
00:00.480: If I know I have a little a little Thunderbolt drive that I take home with me.
00:00.480: And then I tab over to the finder and I drag it out of that folder into the root of my Anim Renders folder.
00:00.480: where one of the systems has gotten accidentally switched over to copy copy to library.
00:00.480: And all of a sudden it's like, oh, my thing's not working.
00:00.480: Any file that you're referencing from the outside, if you need to modify a photo, so I have a photo.
00:00.480: One on the local machine, one on the remote machine.
00:00.480: Rename it with, I'd append the second editor's initials on it, and just say, reach across the network, open that, and cut me the first two minutes of the piece because I'm working on the tail end.
00:00.480: Right.
00:00.480: If you had broken it and you had fixed it, if you got from Final Cut 1 to 7, like I had, you knew how to break it and fix it.
00:00.480: project and see how that works.
00:00.480: Different compound clips.
00:00.480: Well, auditioning allows you to try out multiple shots in a timeline without having to stack them, which is really good for the magnetic timeline because of the way that it's designed, it can get a little visually
00:00.480: There is nothing that comes up that says audition as an option.
00:00.480: to discover for ourselves and decide whether or not we want to use it and how we would use it.
00:00.480: C to select.
00:00.480: But when you get past that, you begin to find so you'll get to a point where you're like, okay, now I'm where I was.
00:00.480: And that's what we call the learning wall.
00:00.560: And I want to thank you for doing that.
00:00.560: D plus test, didn't you?
00:00.560: Yeah.
00:00.560: Well, I do a lot of different work.
00:00.560: Actually, they're doing a movie of that now.
00:00.560: So it was a little box that had an an IR adapter on it.
00:00.560: Yeah, so what I did okay, so that my memory of it is first off that it was the first
00:00.560: And it was not a good day, and we didn't know what we were going to do.
00:00.560: So, yeah, they knew what they were talking about.
00:00.560: But yeah, I agree.
00:00.560: So, okay, so this thing translates Final Cut 7 into Final Cut 10.
00:00.560: Sideline here, which is that, you know, when after Final Cut came out and I was kind of re-engineering my career and I purchased my Panasonic GH2, my first camera I'd purchased since
00:00.560: then I will not allow Final Cut to manage the media.
00:00.560: Your After Effects renders and your Final Cut project.
00:00.560: If you allow Final Cut to pull stuff and put it into the library, you can't do my little trick with the After Effects files.
00:00.560: And then what I would do is I would I would save my project at a given time.
00:00.640: you would slip five to fifteen frames and then when you performed it, it would slip another five to fifteen frames.
00:00.640: What's important about it to me is that it was, well, life is still the same today.
00:00.640: I can remember the first time I saw a video production switcher in a video truck, and I was like
00:00.640: you know, follow your dream, learn what you want to learn, and you know, live here, you know, for whatever it takes.
00:00.640: In avid versus you would in Final Cut 7 is very different.
00:00.640: Everything goes out of sync when I do an insert shot and I have to blah blah blah blah blah blah.
00:00.640: And I don't have to worry about turning tracks off.
00:00.640: Well, that's what my blog is for.
00:00.640: How the heck do I log in this app?
00:00.640: Being in the twilight zone, my eyes crossed at the end of the day.
00:00.640: I was so stayed in my ways that it has sort of re-engineered my brain a little bit.
00:00.640: So actually, I'm you're going to teach me something here.
00:00.640: One of the tutorials that I did recently was how to make a virtual link, if you will, between your final cut excuse me.
00:00.640: Problem is, I thought your name was a baby food and not rhyming with Garber, so I typed it Gerber.
00:00.640: And now I have to fix it.
00:00.640: So I'm making an audition now and I'm selecting it and I want to see if match frame work.
00:00.640: So that was Michael Garber.
00:00.720: Well, no, but this is the way I do it.
00:00.720: But it's true, but it was little things like, you know, instead of uploading to FTP, I was finding that I was uploading my videos at the end of the day to Vimeo, and I could just walk away.
00:00.720: Let me see if I can find that thing, that app.
00:00.720: And that bucket can be organized and sorted in the same ways as before, and I can close that bucket at
00:00.720: Yeah, I think watching, looking over people's shoulders, you know, visi uh digitally or virtually is a really great way.
00:00.720: I don't even know how to verbalize this.
00:00.720: And, you know, and I feel like that's where I'm at right now with it.
00:00.720: Select the clip option shift R and it'll take you to that p oh wait command command shift R command shift R yeah
00:00.720: You can just hit Command Shift R yet because there's just one clip on the timeline, and there you go.
00:00.720: I can audition the same clip, not just different takes of a clip, but I can take that shot and do the option Y now, I think we figured out it was.
00:00.800: Welcome to another episode of Final Cut Grill.
00:00.800: There's some really interesting links and some stuff too that Michael is talking about.
00:00.800: Back in high school, this was back in the 90s, the early to mid-90s.
00:00.800: My XL1 back in 2000.
00:00.800: After effects will not.
00:00.800: Because Final Cut is always referencing the file that I leaved in place, left in place.
00:00.800: versions of effects from a timeline and what if I have to composite something really quickly and getting that to and from After Effects.
00:00.880: And it it it just a side note, it killed me that uh that that the voice is so different.
00:00.880: Well, this is the way I've always done it.
00:00.880: And I was doing so much work at the station down the hall, I would always be bopping into class in the afternoon, going, Hey, George, I'm not going to be here for class today.
00:00.880: My first exposure was watching the video from NAB.
00:00.880: And for me, for some reason, that mode shuts off when I go into Avid.
00:00.880: That I did with a friend and news producer, Saul Gonzalez, and I cut a lot of news pieces for him as well.
00:00.880: So what do you see on the horizon?
00:00.880: I am now going to do a basic colorize on one version of it and then ah very cool.
00:00.880: I knew that one.
00:00.880: And I now have another copy of that exact same set of frames that I can color correct differently.
00:00.960: That's right.
00:00.960: Should have or could have, or could it's a portion of the verb that allows you to imagine what if something was was going to be different or had been different.
00:00.960: And it was a great experience.
00:00.960: I'm rambling here.
00:00.960: I sold it at a giant loss, financial loss.
00:00.960: That's right.
00:00.960: And really it was trial and error on jobs.
00:00.960: You know, I'm not saying I know of an issue with it, but if there were, I always like to have a backup plan.
00:00.960: That's what I was lacking when Final Cut first came out.
00:00.960: Or to whatever program the effects person is using on a daily basis.
00:00.960: And then when you're done with that, go back to the timeline, hover over the synchronized clip with your mouse, hit C, option T.
00:01.040: I've been editing and polishing the show and pulling out some of the some of the m little mistakes we made.
00:01.040: Yeah, you know, it's interesting.
00:01.040: But yeah, but there's just something antithetical to the way I think as and this is getting into the art for it for me.
00:01.040: Oh, that I get that now.
00:01.040: And again, getting back to the theme, the new 10.
00:01.040: Couldn't have said it better myself.
00:01.120: Those Google guys are too damn smart.
00:01.120: But yeah, so I did that throughout high school and I did little high school videos and I got a Videonyx Direct Ed Plus, which
00:01.120: When I realized that Final Cut 7 was going to be deprecated eventually.
00:01.120: It's a bit of a game.
00:01.200: I can't put any more shows on the server.
00:01.200: So hold on a second.
00:01.200: I did.
00:01.200: So let's talk about Final Cut 10.
00:01.200: Basically when Final Cut Pro, when I heard that it was deprecated, it was when I realized, okay, I do need to learn this app because
00:01.200: And my feeling is that's the whole purpose of this version of Final Cut is that it works in a shared
00:01.200: Yep, yeah.
00:01.280: I didn't have to wait for it to export and then set up the template.
00:01.280: That really simplified my workflow because now I can just put everything into one bucket.
00:01.280: And that was one of my processes to learning it is that, and I and I knew this at a certain point.
00:01.280: I don't know if you caught at the end there, you know, kind of going back and forth, sharing the keyboard shortcuts.
00:01.360: Entertainment agnostic, I guess.
00:01.360: I I never really cared as long as it it brought in money and I hopefully enjoyed doing what I was doing, which I've been lucky enough along the way that I have.
00:01.360: Like, this is how people know me.
00:01.360: Okay.
00:01.360: Cl select a clip in the timeline, option Y.
00:01.440: That's it as I'm cradling my Android phone right now and telling it that I love it so much.
00:01.440: Yeah, it would drive you crazy.
00:01.440: And respect to everyone else and the entire television industry uses it, and I get it.
00:01.440: Right.
00:01.440: 1 library.
00:01.440: I don't know if you heard the episode I did with John Chappelle, I think is now, from Digital Rebellion.
00:01.520: Thank you.
00:01.520: Can I work for you?
00:01.520: I'm thinking about the final product, and then I'm pulling my I'm going backwards in the process and thinking of how did I get there
00:01.520: I knew that one.
00:01.520: you find out what can be.
00:01.600: That's true.
00:01.600: Yeah.
00:01.600: So did you then like fall back and keep cutting in Final Cut seven and sort of watch it with one eye like a like a lot of us did?
00:01.600: It just didn't work from my mind.
00:01.600: But if I render to the empty render to here folder, I can always render it.
00:01.600: I am on 10-1-1.
00:01.600: I have to find everything wrong with it, and I have to find every workaround that I possibly can because I want to know 10 as good, if not better, than I knew 7.
00:01.680: It's been a while.
00:01.680: Tell me what's next, what's next.
00:01.680: Nobody ever goes on and says, Wow, I just has the greatest day editing in X because Y worked wonderfully and now I'm done with Z.
00:01.760: Except maybe for those days where I'm literally banging my head against my desk if something really broke.
00:01.760: I just never preview.
00:01.760: I love it.
00:01.760: Because there is one sort of pivotal moment that I'd like to talk about, which is again, going back to my teen years, a friend of my father's was a news reporter at the local CBS station.
00:01.760: I mean, it's, you know, it's file, it's a media manager at its heart.
00:01.760: That was good the way I came up with that so quick, right?
00:01.760: The clip menu, and I go to the audition flyout menu.
00:01.840: So, so and then I'm I'm okay with it now.
00:01.840: So from Jacksonville, I made my way up to New York.
00:01.840: I could do that in Final Cut 7, and jumping forward, I can now do that in Final Cut 10.
00:01.840: And it seems and the thing is, you only tend to remember the bad things.
00:01.840: You'll have to learn a new edit system every five to ten years.
00:01.920: So tell me, tell me about tell me about what kind of work you do, Michael.
00:01.920: There's a lot of negative chatter out there, and there's a lot of people who are just stuck in two and a half years ago.
00:01.920: I'm still learning new things in the app and new ways and in collaborating with other people and finding out what it is that they're doing is really inspiring.
00:01.920: And I have to admit, you know, as much as I bitched and moaned when it first came out, you know, I had been working with a client for eight years and I remember just
00:01.920: So let's say I make something that I'm going to key over my video in After Effects.
00:01.920: And I said, There wasn't a cut where you said that.
00:01.920: Awesome.
00:01.920: Yeah, I you know, uh if we follow the upgrade path of ten point zero and we fold that forward onto ten point one
00:02.000: How are you?
00:02.000: Well, okay, so here's a good question for you.
00:02.000: So the videonics, let's talk about the videonics on this episode of the Final Cut Girl.
00:02.000: Some facilities back in the day, they would call it buy or die.
00:02.000: I couldn't learn it if I wanted to.
00:02.000: It's the way to go.
00:02.000: I'm a keyboard junkie.
00:02.000: I knew that one.
00:02.080: Okay.
00:02.080: I really, truly like this a lot.
00:02.080: 1 breakdown, where he talked about all the things he liked and then the 10.
00:02.160: Cool.
00:02.160: Oh, okay.
00:02.160: I hope you enjoyed listening to that chat as much as I had talking with Michael.
00:02.240: And I said, it's been nice knowing you.
00:02.240: Was able to show it to him.
00:02.240: Yeah, at Garbershop.
00:02.320: I know, I saw that.
00:02.320: Well, there was a lot of years between that and digital editing.
00:02.320: I dropped out like right before finals my junior year because I wanted to learn more about video because that's what I was spending all my time doing and my classes were suffering.
00:02.320: That's right.
00:02.320: Oh.
00:02.400: Also, I don't think there's going to be a second show this weekend.
00:02.400: That's true.
00:02.400: Not a complete reversal, not a complete one eighty, but just change your focus from a heading of zero zero zero to zero zero two or something like that.
00:02.400: Yeah, it's astonishing the number of files that you generate in order to do this.
00:02.400: We will, you know, like, oh, but did you know this?
00:02.480: We we met last month and I was really looking forward to talking to you.
00:02.560: That actually wasn't that bad.
00:02.560: We should spend the whole episode talking about the Videonics DirectEd Plus.
00:02.560: Okay.
00:02.560: 0, 10.
00:02.560: That's free.
00:02.560: They were basically almost like almost like an XML file.
00:02.560: Awesome.
00:02.640: Michael's a very articulate, very interesting guy.
00:02.640: That's right.
00:02.640: I started my company in two thousand four.
00:02.640: You talk, I'll Google.
00:02.640: Just perform it, do it, go for it.
00:02.640: 03.
00:02.640: I used to use the word audition just for, you know, show me another version, show me another version.
00:02.640: I was I okay.
00:02.720: Like someone brings it back, like the digital Bolex or something.
00:02.720: I would do anything, I would save every shekel I had to get the best gear that I could afford at the time that I thought would work.
00:02.720: Right.
00:02.720: So I'm just going to kind of take a tour around the UI and ask you a few questions.
00:02.720: Yes, exactly.
00:02.720: I don't know if you can drag it into the library.
00:02.720: I think it's great that they've been able to fill the market from the top.
00:02.720: You've probably heard me say that before, as opposed to a learning curve.
00:02.800: You know, so I just, you know, I did what I was accessible to me.
00:02.800: I don't think I remember it crashing early on, but then again
00:02.800: What is the right way?
00:02.800: I re-render.
00:02.880: They make it too hard for us mere mortals to play in their sandbox.
00:02.880: And it was kind of frustrating because in that era, like, you know, the Quantel paint box came out and that was a big deal.
00:02.880: Yes, as a consumer, not as a salesperson.
00:02.880: And it's just like, it's like you buy one piece of gear and you just say goodbye to so much of your life because it's a constant, never-ending rat race battle to
00:02.880: And so I always sort of used that.
00:02.880: H.
00:02.880: And then you can set the size if you want it to be as low as 480 and as high as 1080.
00:02.880: You know, you just made me think of something.
00:02.880: And it's also a way to really simplify just choosing different shot.
00:02.960: Oh my God.
00:02.960: Yeah.
00:02.960: It's really as simple as that.
00:02.960: Good.
00:02.960: Hey, Michael, thank you so much for sharing.
00:03.040: We're going to take the there will not be a Monday show this week
00:03.040: And I've said that for years.
00:03.040: That is a phrase that you have to be of a certain age to understand.
00:03.040: Or does it just do it for you?
00:03.120: Yeah, no, I think I think hav being I I used to call it having a wide hat rack.
00:03.120: I'm a bit all over the map these days.
00:03.120: And then.
00:03.120: You couldn't get the people on the set to redo something, but right.
00:03.120: Lack of vision.
00:03.120: She goes, Oh, there's no way you're going to get in here.
00:03.120: I was shitting bricks.
00:03.120: Hey, so riddle me this, Batman.
00:03.120: It's so funny.
00:03.120: I also have a larger Thunderbolt L-C raid.
00:03.120: And I added those all to an audition, put it in the timeline, and I just kept auditioning the shots.
00:03.120: com, and you can email me at michael at garbershop.
00:03.120: Thanks for listening.
00:03.120: Now let me stop this recording.
00:03.200: I think it's when I can put up another show.
00:03.200: You know, and it's like, okay, that's fine.
00:03.200: 0 ones really crashed a lot.
00:03.200: Right.
00:03.200: 264.
00:03.200: Yes, yes.
00:03.200: And you know, there are those things, but there are so many things that if you just
00:03.200: Go to your keyboard command palette.
00:03.200: I want everyone to use these.
00:03.280: And now we're going to go to Michael Garber from the Garber Shop.
00:03.280: I saw that.
00:03.280: When did you come around to taking another serious look at it?
00:03.280: So, yet another step I just don't have to worry about now.
00:03.280: Yeah.
00:03.280: Can I do that in spending a half hour less or whatever?
00:03.360: I'm doing better now that we finally got through all that technical crap.
00:03.360: Peabody, and what was the dog name?
00:03.360: Now you have a goal.
00:03.360: One of the ones was when I realized that I was actually working faster in it than when I was working in Final Cut 7.
00:03.360: I think it toggles that thing back to copy into library.
00:03.360: And so when you do your find and finder, you realize, ah, this is now stuck in the library folder.
00:03.360: Right.
00:03.360: People listening to this are pulling over the side of the road and jotting these down in their memo.
00:03.440: And one more minus for Google.
00:03.440: But that'd be awesome.
00:03.440: And I got to sit with this editor whose name is Larry Dickerson.
00:03.440: I really enjoyed myself.
00:03.440: I went to liberal arts school for nearly three years, dropped out.
00:03.440: And that was what I'm being completely honest here, because I'm a final cut.
00:03.440: And I had long gotten rid of the XL1, and I had decided that I wanted to get back into shooting.
00:03.440: So you have all your media in one spot, and then you have two separate library files.
00:03.440: W um like for example, my new kind of nerd passion is I want to embrace
00:03.440: Something where effects are changing all the time and we're versioning and I want to know should I use auditions or should I just delete?
00:03.440: Oh, actually and another one that somebody tweeted me today.
00:03.520: And I I think I I totally understand what you're saying there.
00:03.520: Yes.
00:03.520: I believe it's option Y.
00:03.520: I hit C to select it, and then option T and then C again.
00:03.600: There's actually a word for that.
00:03.600: So did you then download it on day one or were you just still moping in the corner?
00:03.600: Like, they used to know me as a Final Cut 7 guy.
00:03.600: Oh, and this makes it better because now when I do my music cuts.
00:03.600: If you say copy files into current library or whatever library,
00:03.600: How dare you?
00:03.600: Where does it go?
00:03.600: Exactly.
00:03.600: Okay, so for people that don't know the word, because one of the things that Funal Chat 10 has done is they've made us
00:03.680: This is 018 with Michael Garber.
00:03.680: Why didn't you?
00:03.680: Maybe I'll get it when I'm 78.
00:03.680: I didn't have backup strategies when something didn't work.
00:03.680: Do you remap a lot?
00:03.760: The thing is, is that I would have continued using it had it been stable.
00:03.760: 1 libraries.
00:03.760: Have you gotten into the sharing of XML files?
00:03.760: Actually, I found a cool feature just while you were talking there.
00:03.760: Nerd.
00:03.840: Yeah, I was like, oh, this doesn't seem so hard.
00:03.840: That's around the time, I would say 10.
00:03.840: Well, there was I was I was posting some questions on the creative cow and
00:03.840: So you say you just drag it into the library.
00:03.840: Even if I tell it to name it the same thing, it'll say, Yeah, no, you can't do that.
00:03.840: And he said, Prove it to me.
00:03.840: Sorry, sorry, sorry.
00:03.920: You can just drive a stake through my eye because that would be, that would be fun.
00:03.920: I totally get that.
00:03.920: And you know, I don't know if you caught it, but we did a great episode with Scott Simmons.
00:03.920: You know, markers don't really work for me.
00:03.920: I was so tired of hitting the same key combinations every day for years.
00:03.920: So I've now made an audition of the clip on top of itself.
00:03.920: Yeah, all you got to do is click on that little 100% or the number that's moving up.
00:03.920: Perfect.
00:04.000: And now I would say, because of jobs like that, I have a system now.
00:04.000: 1.
00:04.000: Now, I take that thing and I render it into, I actually have a folder called Animrenders, so everything that gets rendered out of After Effects goes into there.
00:04.000: And by remote, I mean gigabit Ethernet away.
00:04.000: Click on the File Cut Grill button on the left-hand side.
00:04.080: That's what I've noticed.
00:04.080: So I I work in a multitude of ways, and it really depends on the project.
00:04.080: And even though it may not seem fun and sexy in the beginning, as you get to the end of the project, it is going to save your bacon.
00:04.080: And you start looking at that audition thing and you go, wow, I did not realize I could audition multiple color corrections on that.
00:04.080: As I mentioned, there will not be a show this Monday, but we'll be back next Friday.
00:04.160: So, anyway.
00:04.240: One, I am genuinely amazed at some of the comments that I get on the iTunes, and I can't tell you how much I appreciate that.
00:04.240: I mean, it's important.
00:04.240: Right.
00:04.240: But 98% of the time, it makes me work faster.
00:04.240: Yes, okay.
00:04.320: I won't go into all those details, but it's a bit of an issue and
00:04.320: Or work agnostic.
00:04.320: You can give me the absolute worst day at work.
00:04.320: What was your first exposure to the application?
00:04.320: And a lot of it is because I don't know the app very well.
00:04.320: How dare you, sir?
00:04.320: I would duplicate the project.
00:04.400: But it was awesome, wasn't it?
00:04.400: The mechanisms in the decks that you were using, and I don't care what deck it was of that era, it was better.
00:04.400: And I actually at that point I moved on to Media 100 before I went into Final Cut.
00:04.400: So it does an H.
00:04.400: That's right, though.
00:04.400: I'm actually going to throw it clip in right now, but you can drag it directly into an event.
00:04.400: You can, if Final Cut is managing the files, meaning it's in the library folder.
00:04.400: 1 feature set just gives us so much flexibility.
00:04.400: Yes, proudly, proudly.
00:04.400: I try to keep everything else the same.
00:04.480: It's called Fifth Wall.
00:04.480: When did you get started?
00:04.480: Mr.
00:04.480: There may be minute accuracy plus or minus.
00:04.480: Yeah, exactly.
00:04.480: Right.
00:04.480: My video class, I'd probably put my teachers through hell or my professors through hell because a lot of the stuff they were teaching I already knew and I
00:04.480: You know, and I and I that was and hence, you know, there's the second time I dropped out.
00:04.480: So someone answered, Oh, did you know that you can um you can
00:04.480: Render to here.
00:04.560: And it was a real guidance in terms of figuring out how to set up the magnetic timeline.
00:04.560: So do you import your media into the library or do you leave it in place?
00:04.560: However, if I'm just working on OneDrive and I know that's just where it's going to live, then I let Final Cut do it.
00:04.560: Now, here's what happens when you upgrade Final Cut Pro, which you do all the time.
00:04.560: So speaking about that, have you gotten into
00:04.560: And now I'm looking at it and I look at this application and I go, you know what?
00:04.640: But um, so I started um working
00:04.640: So, I should find it fake.
00:04.640: Yeah, yeah.
00:04.640: And a lot of times there isn't really someone to tell you that there's this specific type of switcher out there or there's this way of editing or whatnot.
00:04.640: Okay.
00:04.640: And there's just something about it that I just
00:04.640: That is a really interesting comment.
00:04.640: But we have thousands of videos on it, and we have our own servers and a server farm, and etc.
00:04.640: That's actually a really cool thing, what you're saying there, that you can actually
00:04.640: That's how you get back to it.
00:04.720: Oh, God, it was what was it?
00:04.720: You've got a diddle and a fiddle, meaning you've got, I think, like a high compression and a low compression, or like a single pass and a and a
00:04.720: It's just straightforward and simple, and I don't have to use the web interface.
00:04.720: Yeah.
00:04.720: And there are some people that can't stand the magnetic timeline.
00:04.720: Yeah, I was going to ask you, what was the first thing that you cut in it and how did that go?
00:04.720: People might think that I'm sitting here staring at it all day long, and I rarely have it open when I'm talking about it.
00:04.720: That will work with Photoshop files.
00:04.720: I'm going to try something here.
00:04.720: However, if I go up to the modify
00:04.720: 1 10.
00:04.720: I'm not trying to show off.
00:04.800: Peabody and Sherman.
00:04.800: And the subjunctive as a part of speech is like.
00:04.800: It was sort of like I ended up doing it.
00:04.800: That's awesome.
00:04.800: I render it.
00:04.880: Now I'm freaking out because I realized I made a mistake.
00:04.880: I totally see what you're saying.
00:04.880: And that was the moment where, you know.
00:04.880: 1 beat down where he like I gave him you know, I gave him like 45 minutes.
00:04.880: That would be great.
00:04.880: Drive safe people.
00:04.880: And anyway, that's kind of fun.
00:04.960: Let's reboot here.
00:04.960: And yeah, so that was my intro to Final Cut.
00:05.040: Right.
00:05.040: So it hides a version there and it's doing an H2C.
00:05.040: Okay, good, match frame works with auditions now.
00:05.040: It's a good name.
00:05.120: And it was like, oh, okay.
00:05.120: Because I just don't like Avid, and I have the ability to make those choices.
00:05.120: And I know that may be what you want.
00:05.120: So what does that look like now?
00:05.120: They could open that up and then drag that project into their current library.
00:05.120: Oh yeah, Command Shift R.
00:05.200: And so what I ended up doing for at least a decade is I did nothing but live broadcasting.
00:05.200: But have you considered thinking that there might be a different way?
00:05.200: Yeah.
00:05.200: I think that there's a lot of times where people
00:05.200: Everyone likes to shoot off on their blogs and show off their jobs and stuff.
00:05.200: God help me if I do again.
00:05.200: If you're allowing Final Cut to manage your files.
00:05.200: In terms of where I'd really like to work on it on a on a heavy effects based
00:05.200: Will duplicate as audition.
00:05.280: It's like, oh, I get it.
00:05.280: I went to NYU and I went to film school up there.
00:05.280: And I didn't have to go back to the original photo.
00:05.280: 1.
00:05.360: As long as you, and I'm sure you knew as well, because you had done it so many times, you knew what would, you know, that the edit would work out.
00:05.360: Yeah, I caught a little bit of that myself, too.
00:05.360: So anything I started in it would crash on me and I couldn't undo things.
00:05.360: I would say
00:05.360: So here's so here's my story.
00:05.360: In the beginning, you will want to hit your head against the table a couple of times.
00:05.440: Or maybe North Florida.
00:05.440: And so, but then what I found out was that right near my house was a local community college that had probably the second best
00:05.440: I thought, well, am I going to have to go out and learn Avid?
00:05.440: So, yeah, good point.
00:05.440: Everybody loves to kick the champ when he's down, you know.
00:05.440: Back into the folder.
00:05.440: And one of the good things is that there actually aren't a there isn't a big need for workarounds in it.
00:05.520: He's also sh going to share with us a snapshot of his folder structure, which I'm just a geek about.
00:05.520: And I said, but I only have $250.
00:05.520: It's even though there's film school and all that stuff.
00:05.520: Yeah, it beats work.
00:05.520: 264 compression.
00:05.520: So final cut is staving off
00:05.520: Yeah, absolutely.
00:05.520: From there, I drag it onto my timeline.
00:05.520: There you go.
00:05.600: Hold on, give me one second.
00:05.600: Which is like, why not just enjoy your senior year?
00:05.600: So I stepped away and said, I'll just keep an eye on the blogs.
00:05.600: 04 for me is when I jumped back in and it was much more stable.
00:05.600: Things become very stilted and turning tracks on and off the way you do in Final Cut.
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00:05.600: How do people find out more about Michael Garber on the Internet?
00:05.680: And I and I've had my own company for the past.
00:05.680: Yeah, Mr.
00:05.680: I just do.
00:05.680: I it renders to here.
00:05.680: Not a lot, but spec I
00:05.680: Because as it turned out, the odd ones were the cool new features and the even ones were the bug fixes.
00:05.760: Absolutely.
00:05.760: It seems to be magically working better right now, and I don't know why.
00:05.760: It's like, ugh, you know, that first 24 hours can be really painful.
00:05.840: It might be, you know, 5, 10, 20 megabytes.
00:05.840: No, it's like which is the one that has the little diagonally thing?
00:05.920: Yeah.
00:05.920: Right.
00:05.920: And it was an expensive piece of gear.
00:05.920: So, did you do Avid?
00:05.920: So let me just ask you this because I know that there's a lot of avid editors or premier editors that would be listening to this and going.
00:06.000: Tell me about your history of various systems that you've edited on.
00:06.000: But it it is kind of the thing.
00:06.000: And d d were you concerned?
00:06.000: That is correct.
00:06.000: One of the things I can do is
00:06.000: Uh-huh.
00:06.000: Ah, clever.
00:06.080: Someday I'll explain all of that.
00:06.080: Peabody, yeah.
00:06.080: Right.
00:06.080: When you do the share to Vimeo, is
00:06.080: So that was a really fun artsy piece.
00:06.080: What did that mean to you?
00:06.080: I do a lot of stuff in After Effects.
00:06.080: Okay.
00:06.080: We will not have a car accident because of the funnel bit grill.
00:06.160: Mr.
00:06.160: Yeah, yeah.
00:06.160: Yeah.
00:06.160: I mean, it really is totally scalable.
00:06.160: That's another way to do it.
00:06.160: Big old stupid final cut nerd.
00:06.160: Open in timelines?
00:06.160: Oh, yeah, just some like the render things, like the render
00:06.240: Yeah, I know.
00:06.240: I think we need a whole new podcast, and you and I could host it and we'll talk about.
00:06.240: You sound like your experience is very similar to mine.
00:06.240: Um and it was right near my house, uh, where my parents lived, rather.
00:06.240: I'd say I know it enough to be dangerous, literally dangerous.
00:06.240: And I know that a lot of the things that I watch on television have been cut in avid.
00:06.240: Do you mean you import it into the library from within the Final Cut user interface?
00:06.240: So now I tab back over to After Effect.
00:06.240: And that's what's exciting about this time right now.
00:06.320: At any rate, Michael is fascinating and you're going to enjoy this interview.
00:06.320: But, you know, with VHS, not
00:06.320: And I'm you know what I'm I think what
00:06.320: I mean, it's that inspiration of seeing.
00:06.320: Now, once I'm in the finder again and I drag it out of that folder, the finder will allow me to overwrite that file.
00:06.320: And these are really cool things.
00:06.320: I can't stop myself.
00:06.320: It is.
00:06.400: But yeah, I think it's especially you know, the way the economy has been the last few years, it's good to be able to, like,
00:06.480: Bottom line is if Google ever makes a nonlinear editor.
00:06.480: Peabody and Sherman.
00:06.480: It was awesome because
00:06.480: It had to make sense to you, basically.
00:06.480: But yeah, I mean, I avoided editorial for a decade.
00:06.480: I got to say, I always work with leave files in place, and I'm going to give you a good instance of why.
00:06.480: And I don't change the name.
00:06.480: And there's been a few times
00:06.560: He's been using Final Cut for a couple of years.
00:06.560: So yeah.
00:06.560: Uh I mean he's got a British accent, but he doesn't sound like the original voice, and I love cartoons and voiceovers and everything.
00:06.560: And you could see it coming together.
00:06.560: On, you know,
00:06.560: Good point.
00:06.560: Nice.
00:06.560: Shitting bricks.
00:06.560: Nobody has mentioned that, that you're using the share menu.
00:06.560: Now it's not working.
00:06.640: It's been fun.
00:06.640: No, it's a lot harder than I thought.
00:06.640: I'm totally made fun of the whole shared a Vimeo, shared a YouTube.
00:06.640: And it's still it's easy to complain about the things
00:06.640: Keywords are sort of working, but how do they work?
00:06.640: Or, um, oh, I noticed that the other day, but I opened it up and it was generating audio waveforms.
00:06.640: If you're into keyboard shortcuts like I am, and apparently Michael is.
00:06.720: And at least I got to sit behind a really cool Mac all day.
00:06.720: And it was really cool.
00:06.720: Like, I just how am I going to use this?
00:06.720: Sure.
00:06.720: I'd love to put that on the website.
00:06.720: Yeah.
00:06.720: It was just a pointer file.
00:06.720: Yeah, it was.
00:06.720: Audition is now a feature.
00:06.720: Type open in timeline.
00:06.800: We also had some Skype issues, but
00:06.800: I work in commercials and I work in documentaries and corporate documentaries.
00:06.800: That was my first
00:06.800: It's true.
00:06.800: But we've never really talked before, so I'm enjoying myself.
00:06.800: But and my I remember my dad taking me over to this guy's house who he looked like a granddad.
00:06.800: And so those things do exist.
00:06.800: I would tell people, I go, well, you know, it beats working every day for a living.
00:06.800: I only took the classes that I really cared about.
00:06.800: Or oh, you know what it is?
00:06.800: You know, I've created some new pathways there.
00:06.800: So if I know I want to come back to the office and work on that.
00:06.800: And ultimately, when you take all that together, you end up being more creative.
00:06.880: And for the rest of your career, you are going to be treading water and trying to keep your head above
00:06.880: And it crashed a lot.
00:06.880: It's almost like internet forums.
00:06.880: Yeah, I love that.
00:06.880: So again, go to the show notes.
00:06.960: I've never quite found my niche.
00:06.960: It was a devil.
00:06.960: Yeah.
00:06.960: I know that there's a
00:06.960: But I do have an aha moment, which I actually posted today on Vimeo.
00:06.960: Sure.
00:06.960: Yes, that should work.
00:06.960: So if I right-click on a clip that's already in my timeline.
00:06.960: I was compl I was talking with Brian Russell the other day and we were like kvetching over the fact that you can't show in Finder from the timeline.
00:07.040: That's right.
00:07.040: Yeah.
00:07.040: Man with the
00:07.040: I can't say with After Effects files, but that will work with Photoshop files if.
00:07.040: I think there was an issue with that before, but I don't know.
00:07.120: So I've always been looking at, you know, what's the next job going to be?
00:07.120: Okay, so, so
00:07.120: Good point.
00:07.120: What did that do for you?
00:07.120: Yeah.
00:07.120: And I've posted some of the keyboard shortcuts we've talked about and some other stuff, links to things that Michael mentioned.
00:07.200: I got to say, I'm really excited to share this conversation with you.
00:07.200: Yeah, that's right.
00:07.200: But those days, actually, I go back, those days happened probably more like 10 years ago.
00:07.200: Broadcasting, not filmmaking.
00:07.200: I said, you know,
00:07.200: I'd like to do one project with that, get a big project like that under my belt so that I know what it's
00:07.200: Let me try this.
00:07.200: Okay, so I'm on my synchronized clip.
00:07.280: Right.
00:07.280: This is how I do it.
00:07.280: Right?
00:07.360: I'm actually literally
00:07.360: They had to keep up with whatever the next cool thing is.
00:07.360: I think that's the thing that really stuck out for me: his timing, how he understood the sound of the gears of the decks.
00:07.360: This is very interesting.
00:07.360: Um
00:07.360: I've got it open right now.
00:07.360: Yeah, exactly.
00:07.360: Is it behind?
00:07.360: And when you and that's just one of the many things that I'm beginning to see that there is like I'm I'm
00:07.440: Peabody is the dog.
00:07.440: This is all for a new audience, you realize, right?
00:07.440: I think you could have two IR adapters.
00:07.440: And for the next three years, I guess it was.
00:07.440: That's awesome.
00:07.440: Yeah, and then change it to option T.
00:07.520: It really that really dates me more than being upset about the voice of uh of Mr.
00:07.520: And I think there's probably a lesson in there, and I don't know what it is, but I'm sorry, go ahead.
00:07.520: But I like to work.
00:07.520: So then in final cut
00:07.520: And
00:07.520: Right.
00:07.520: And in 7.
00:07.600: And I knew that this was one thing that I wanted to do.
00:07.600: I mean, I'm a business guy, but there is an art to it.
00:07.600: What else did you decide that you were enjoying about it?
00:07.600: And so, you know, each job has its own specific method of working.
00:07.600: I'm all good to go.
00:07.600: So
00:07.600: Yeah, yeah, that's the thing.
00:07.600: I'm really proud of that one.
00:07.680: That's right.
00:07.680: Yeah.
00:07.680: And very quickly, you realize that the current is very strong.
00:07.680: And I think that from a workflow standpoint, the way we work in this business is
00:07.680: Yeah.
00:07.680: So did you fall into the.
00:07.680: It was called On the Record, LA Vinyl.
00:07.680: And I got my wish.
00:07.680: And if
00:07.680: I'm going to make an anime
00:07.680: Yes.
00:07.680: So I'm selecting a clip and I match frame back into the
00:07.680: And these are things that we have
00:07.760: You got on the my little disaster
00:07.760: Still fighting to get the best price on gear because I'm self-funded.
00:07.760: And he's passed away now, a few years ago.
00:07.760: What is my
00:07.840: They were top loading U-Matic decks.
00:07.840: Did you do, you know, when you got into digital editing, how did you get started?
00:07.840: Did you go to film school?
00:07.840: What Premiere isn't up to snuff?
00:07.840: You can actually set the password within Final Cut for Vimeo and you couldn't do that before.
00:07.840: But you just have to spend some time in it and do real jobs and test stuff out or do
00:07.840: And I go, Yeah, cool, overwrite.
00:07.920: So it doesn't crash on you.
00:07.920: And I think that having those moments like you had with this news editor
00:07.920: So I shot the documentary as well, too.
00:07.920: Oh, the dude's got red eyes.
00:07.920: And I hadn't broken.
00:07.920: It won't work from that audition.
00:07.920: I think what we got to do
00:07.920: com.
00:08.000: What's on your horizon for parts of the application that you want to dig a little deeper into?
00:08.000: I just control control-right.
00:08.000: I'm doing that too.
00:08.080: So so that's how that all started.
00:08.080: And when I want to do an overlap.
00:08.080: Right, right, right.
00:08.080: I think the other thing is that the 10.
00:08.160: Auto film.
00:08.160: Yeah, I think I've described the
00:08.160: It was called the Coastal Trading Post.
00:08.160: Probably was cutting Betacam, regular Betacam or Betacam SP, I mean.
00:08.160: And that was also.
00:08.160: Fascinating guy.
00:08.240: And you knew enough about what was out there.
00:08.240: So, so good, good and bad there.
00:08.240: I think it inspires people to think about keeping more organized.
00:08.240: Go ahead and explain what auditioning is.
00:08.320: That's just one more in the
00:08.320: And then you can, you know, write the
00:08.320: And you got and the other thing to keep in mind is that works with any file.
00:08.320: And that's a good thing.
00:08.320: What?
00:08.320: It still has legs.
00:08.400: I was listening to a TED talk the other day.
00:08.400: Now, do you get to
00:08.400: It's a real set it and forget it type of thing, as long as my internet connection works when I leave at the end of the night.
00:08.400: So, the keyboard shortcut of the episode, I think we're going to have to have, I think that's going to have to be a new feature of the show.
00:08.400: Or to Command Shift R.
00:08.480: Now I know.
00:08.480: Yeah.
00:08.480: And then by sharing XML between those, like you can export a tiny XML file.
00:08.480: And when he came in to view the cut, and he said,
00:08.560: Okay, actually, you know, maybe I will.
00:08.560: It depends on the project for me.
00:08.560: Right.
00:08.560: Later, later.
00:08.640: And, you know, there were some cool things out there.
00:08.640: Would you be willing to do it for that amount?
00:08.640: Oh, nerd.
00:08.720: What's the boy's name?
00:08.720: Were you excited?
00:08.720: But yeah, I know the thing.
00:08.720: That's very interesting.
00:08.720: Yeah.
00:08.720: I think i in summary, I think the thing that
00:08.800: There's a lot of you know what it is, Chris?
00:08.880: Mr.
00:08.880: It would be fun.
00:08.880: Okay.
00:08.880: That should work.
00:08.960: I am not doing it.
00:08.960: And finally, one day he was like, Hey, you know what, you got to make a decision here.
00:08.960: I I agree in your workflow, you should not allow Final Cut to manage the files.
00:08.960: I have not experimented with that, where you basically.
00:09.040: And there was something about building that
00:09.040: It looks like iMovie Pro camp.
00:09.040: I don't understand what this is.
00:09.040: In our office, you know, we have a custom
00:09.040: We'll do another Google Hangout sometime, and we'll have like a
00:09.120: Peabody.
00:09.120: I did not.
00:09.120: Another thing you could do, other than exporting XML, is that you could
00:09.120: Yep.
00:09.200: So I do lots of different stuff.
00:09.200: The same thing goes for YouTube.
00:09.200: If I was working on a project with four editors, then I would definitely leave the files in place.
00:09.200: Down to something as simple as a lower third.
00:09.200: I'm not.
00:09.200: And I just put a lot of thought into it.
00:09.200: Now, what do I hit first?
00:09.200: Certainly, he will be back.
00:09.280: Did you go to film school or video production classes?
00:09.280: You know, like everybody goes on the cow and says,
00:09.280: It works.
00:09.360: And so then in your preferences.
00:09.440: I have this style I like to call working at the speed of thought.
00:09.440: I have not messed with that.
00:09.440: It duplicates the clip as an audition.
00:09.440: It won't work from a synchronized clip either.
00:09.440: Yeah.
00:09.520: Exactly.
00:09.520: And I was like, Yeah, you're right, okay.
00:09.520: Right.
00:09.520: And I know a lot of people say that.
00:09.520: , etc.
00:09.600: I can fix it in Photoshop, save it back in place.
00:09.600: Hold on.
00:09.680: And I the whole reason I called, I contacted him and said, hey, I want to talk to you.
00:09.760: So you know, even on a bad day, I mean, we get to play with cool tools.
00:09.760: But but I guess I
00:09.760: What what was your take on it?
00:09.840: Yeah, because that's because you're actually saving
00:09.920: Run away.
00:09.920: And when you ask them why, the best they can tell you is
00:09.920: That's what one of the things that was really interesting about their app is
00:10.000: Okay, so I'm going to go.
00:10.000: I will not use this deck.
00:10.000: But oh man, the memories of things just never working.
00:10.000: And it's a command 9, isn't it?
00:10.080: The jury is out there, believe me.
00:10.080: So I'm a two time college dropout.
00:10.080: And when eventually it got to the point where I was doing so much work
00:10.080: And so it is exciting now to work in a different way.
00:10.080: I just have preferences in the way that I work.
00:10.160: I'm from Jacksonville, Florida.
00:10.160: Like, don't hire me for an avid job.
00:10.160: Now I tab back to Final Cut, it's already there.
00:10.160: You can also audition.
00:10.240: But I do notice that a lot of people are using Vimeo.
00:10.240: Hey, Michael, thanks for sharing, and thanks for being on the show.
00:10.320: Um and I could not.
00:10.320: Whoa, just.
00:10.320: And it's just not the way I think.
00:10.320: So it was a real learning experience figuring out.
00:10.400: So, Michael Garber, how are you doing tonight?
00:10.400: And I kid you not, when you preview an edit
00:10.400: And finally, I just I
00:10.400: I will say that
00:10.480: Now granted,
00:10.480: But but it was a great experience and um
00:10.560: Oh, I'm now in mouse and I'm in the finder.
00:10.560: He's got some really good insight.
00:10.640: And so I moved back home with mom and dad and they were very accommodating and said,
00:10.640: It was my entryway into that.
00:10.640: Right.
00:10.720: It's quite interesting.
00:10.720: This is what I think about when.
00:10.800: And he did it.
00:10.800: But I'll never forget.
00:10.800: Okay.
00:10.880: I just spoke with Michael earlier tonight.
00:10.960: I get that.
00:11.040: You know, it can be
00:11.040: And with the 10.
00:11.040: It's I'm I'm in a constant process of reverse engineering.
00:11.120: Well, what was interesting is that those decks were so bad.
00:11.120: I mean, and the thing is, is that it was really me
00:11.200: I just did not run in the circles that had access to those, nor
00:11.200: To me, I live and breathe and think it.
00:11.360: Not just editing, but
00:11.360: 1 feature set
00:11.440: And so when if you
00:11.520: A consumer.
00:11.520: There was an aha moment.
00:11.520: There are some.
00:11.520: So then you can apply your cool black and white.
00:11.600: I work in T V.
00:11.600: So it was an interesting beginning to it all.
00:11.680: That's okay.
00:11.760: The literally the guidance counselor la she left
00:11.760: Oh, cool.
00:11.760: And the exciting thing now for me is that there are these new ways.
00:11.840: 1 update, they added a couple more
00:11.920: Oh yeah.
00:12.000: I mean, you really have to do, you know.
00:12.080: That's okay.
00:12.080: And as long as that's
00:12.240: And a lot of that is because I
00:12.240: Those days.
00:12.240: Yeah.
00:12.320: Do you want to
00:12.320: 'Cause what I would have to do is then go online after
00:12.400: Takes us back then, isn't it?
00:12.400: So, um.
00:12.400: Yeah, there are some limitations to that.
00:12.480: And I might actually
00:12.480: Yeah.
00:12.480: And every once in a while,
00:12.560: But
00:12.560: And I think that it did actually
00:12.560: Yeah, you just you have to be O C D.
00:12.640: And all of a sudden you go
00:13.280: This is Thursday night.
00:13.280: Thanks for having me on.
00:13.440: I'm kind of
00:13.520: I think it's much better.
00:13.600: Mr.
00:13.600: Yeah.
00:13.680: And
00:13.920: Peabody.
00:14.000: Um.
00:14.080: And