Episode 17
FCG017 - Exploring Metadata (feat. Brian Russell)
A brand new user of FCPX, Brian Russell is the first guest we’ve had that never used 10.0.X. Brian held out on Final Cut 7 up until the release of 10.1 and inside of one month only has a list of 41 things he would like to see changed, but in this episode we actually knock that down a bit. Brian surely represents what I predict will be a growing demographic of users that switch to FCPX now that we have version 10.1
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Featuring
- Chris Fenwick
- Brian Russell - @redshoefilm
Transcription
00:00.001: But over the course of that summer I learned Final Cut Pro VI and started editing like, you know, more like family home videos and just bullshit like that, but having fun with it.
00:00.001: Make sure you get at least one guy smoking, one guy juggling, somebody flexing their muscles, and somebody else singing on the street corner.
00:00.001: It's not that I don't want to learn it.
00:00.080: Good greet.
00:00.080: Credit card systems, ticketing machines, gates for to control parking garages and collect money for the market.
00:00.080: Video.
00:00.160: He's a v ver he's an amazingly prolific uh artist, um, doing all the stuff that he's doing.
00:00.160: Realism.
00:00.160: Hey, sure.
00:00.160: The spring and summer of 2009, I started banging my head against the computer and watching YouTube videos on Final Cut Pro Classic.
00:00.160: I I call it the chaos of wrong aspect ratios because every T V that I watch has something squished, stretched or skewed in some way and it drives me insane.
00:00.160: So I was like, this looks pretty cool.
00:00.160: You know, watching these videos online, and I'm in our local camera store one day with my wife, who is a semi-pro photographer.
00:00.160: She was.
00:00.160: You know, I look at things, I research things, I love tech, I love gear, and I want to know everything about it before I buy it.
00:00.160: And they paid me like $500 or $1,000 for those things, but the hours that went into it were like gazillions of hours, not only because of the actual edge.
00:00.160: I opened it up and then closed it and took a nap.
00:00.160: And I was like, why is everybody so surprised that this thing is like iMovie?
00:00.160: A month ago today.
00:00.160: And yeah, to really be good at it, you really have to y you know everybody says, you know, when when you put ten thousand hours into something, you can call yourself a professional.
00:00.160: And there's a million graphics guys around me.
00:00.160: and I made a multicam of those three things.
00:00.160: Click it in the timeline and analyze it.
00:00.160: Oh, actually, I can't.
00:00.160: So once I found that, I was like, oh, well, this is actually great.
00:00.160: It there's a you have to realize that the stuff the the stuff you really need is obscured.
00:00.160: I'm not going to say effects work per se, but it's like stuff I do in the application.
00:00.160: How come that looks so crappy?
00:00.160: No.
00:00.160: Keywords and markers and tags and roles and using all those features.
00:00.160: You know, I'll create like a new keyword collection and it's empty, and then I'm going through my footage and I select a range and I'm like, this is a guitar.
00:00.160: When he needs help on things, just figuring things out.
00:00.160: There's a couple of reasons I do that.
00:00.160: A few years ago, this wouldn't have mattered too much.
00:00.160: It's just like I want the world to run the way Brian wants the world to run.
00:00.160: And so it came in with the Final Cut 10 naming structure, which is basically year, hyphen, month, hyphen, date.
00:00.160: and somebody else had shot some footage, and I needed that footage.
00:00.160: It's crazy.
00:00.160: your website, the Red ShoeFilm, RedShoeFilm.
00:00.160: Thanks so much, Chris.
00:00.160: Well, I got to tell you, it's always great to talk to somebody who is as enthusiastic about Final Cut 10 as Brian Russell.
00:00.240: Today, we're going to talk with Brian Russell.
00:00.240: The guy is he's a great speaker and he's very enthusiastic.
00:00.240: there's still a bunch of us that are that were digging the software.
00:00.240: And apparently I didn't see you.
00:00.240: And the question was, what do I do next?
00:00.240: Yeah, no, no, no problem at all.
00:00.240: This can't be that hard.
00:00.240: 2000, you know, like 2005, something like something like that?
00:00.240: No problem, no problem.
00:00.240: Absolutely.
00:00.240: You have the transition from tape to files.
00:00.240: But the direct result of the HD revolution and 16x9 televisions is that nobody knows how to set up and turn on their TV anymore.
00:00.240: Venice's people or it was it was the one in faces in a crowd.
00:00.240: you know, the quality of the imagery that you could capture with those cameras.
00:00.240: Yeah.
00:00.240: Just bullshit things for my family, friends.
00:00.240: I don't think it was so much that they were surprised, but they were just ticked off because they felt Apple had abandoned them, that whole story.
00:00.240: Sure, absolutely.
00:00.240: But I give him footage, and there didn't seem like an easy way for me to share my Final Cut 10 projects with him at that time.
00:00.240: Oh, really?
00:00.240: Everybody's apologizing for long podcasts, and I listen to them in the car, and I'm always like pissed when they're over.
00:00.240: This is January 22nd when we're recording this.
00:00.240: Get the trial, play with it, watch a couple of tutorials, you might be impressed.
00:00.240: Final Cut 7, and you skipped over 10.
00:00.240: But I think what I'm seeing already is that like I just had a phone call just the other night from somebody saying, Hey, I really want to talk to you.
00:00.240: You know, I just want to talk to you about this Final Hit 10 thing.
00:00.240: And once I decided, now I was also a little slow over the holiday, which is pretty typical in this business, I think, typical for a lot of people in a lot of industries.
00:00.240: But I actually downloaded Larry Jordan's tutorials and they were on sale as like $50.
00:00.240: And this band is a local band.
00:00.240: I had this thing cut ninety eight percent on my MacBook Pro while I'm sitting at the kitchen table, just hanging out and talking to everybody.
00:00.240: Now, I hate green screen.
00:00.240: And I wasn't editing it, but I they let me hold on to the footage and I threw it into Final Cut 10 and just threw the green screen keyer on it.
00:00.240: and it's all green screen and um I I will say it's a very well shot and very well lit and um I
00:00.240: It was probably like the a day or two after I started using it.
00:00.240: And at the end of the day, we run around the place and we shoot all of our plates.
00:00.240: And in the next couple of days, I cut these six pieces with two angles of camera on each subject with green screen background, two angles of plates.
00:00.240: What I did is I took a two-person faux interview.
00:00.240: And basically it was two cameras, two people talking, and then the third view, and these are like two satellite feeds.
00:00.240: The third view is sort of the CNN two boxes up kind of look, you know, with some graphics at the bottom and logo at the top and two boxes of the two heads.
00:00.240: Reveal in the browser and then do it in the browser.
00:00.240: In the first few days of editing, I was so frustrated because I couldn't see the keyframes on the video.
00:00.240: And it's either obscured by right click show video animation stuff, or it's pull out the effects tab or the inspector.
00:00.240: I've got 41 items that I say I don't like.
00:00.240: And I edit it in Final Cut 10 because things like just, let's see, I don't know, play my footage.
00:00.240: When you're over the learning curve, or like some people call it the learning wall, because it can be difficult.
00:00.240: I think it's really good to have a basic like I'm going to get started here.
00:00.240: I did buy all the Ripple training videos because there was a few stumbling blocks I just had to get over.
00:00.240: Ad nauseum.
00:00.240: you know, ten years ago or whatever, that it just seemed like, oh, that's great, I can have five thousand songs, but if I can't find the damn song, what good is it?
00:00.240: Probably a pretty good idea, isn't it?
00:00.240: Yes, correct.
00:00.240: You know, these various kinds of instruments and various activities that he was doing.
00:00.240: you get your keyword pop up.
00:00.240: is when you do something like more than three times in an hour, take the time to figure out a smarter way to do it, because there probably is.
00:00.240: you can preload those with keywords.
00:00.240: My son edits an Avid because that's what he's using at film school because the film schools all, as soon as Final Cut 7 went away and Final Cut 10 came out, the film schools all just went to Premiere or Avid.
00:00.240: He's a great kid.
00:00.240: You know, the equivalent number of tracks.
00:00.240: was not the new interface.
00:00.240: It's just click on a million things and every once in a while you see something happen.
00:00.240: Was not willing to overcome at that point in time.
00:00.240: Now are you um so for i if you haven't heard, the the ten point one uh does change a bunch of stuff with the media management, and frankly you dodged a huge bullet by
00:00.240: Dragging your butt to get out of seven.
00:00.240: I mean, literally like seventy five percent of what I would explain to new users was all about the media management.
00:00.240: is twenty four terabytes of quick grief.
00:00.240: Okay.
00:00.240: you know, my media, I have like a system in place and actually in the with the system that I have, everything gets backed up.
00:00.240: unless I'm just doing a quick tweak to an old project.
00:00.240: Well, I work out of my house and a friend of mine, his house was broken into and robbed not too long ago.
00:00.240: except for the fact that I realized that all my stuff was backed up locally here.
00:00.240: There is an episode.
00:00.240: as a guest.
00:00.240: You know, I find that very peculiar too.
00:00.240: And it's mostly because I a lot of media gets it'll be used in multiple projects.
00:00.240: I'm just starting to embrace the idea of dealing with naming um
00:00.240: I can search my data system by April 18th.
00:00.240: Yeah, I get that.
00:00.240: If you're deep in an edit system, a timeline, and you're looking around going, okay, what can I cut to?
00:00.240: You know what I mean?
00:00.240: But again, I want to be able to see it in the timeline.
00:00.240: I think he has called me all those things for renaming serious names.
00:00.240: It's probably in a project somewhere.
00:00.240: that I care that much about.
00:00.240: Because I'm really not worried about Y3K yet.
00:00.240: And they said, well, some other guy looked at this stuff and he has it.
00:00.240: Because if you have it logged, you can he comes back and he gives me the Final Cut name, the year, date, time, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:00.240: What I know now that I would tell him if I was asking this question again is that in the metadata in the browser, you can find the original clip name.
00:00.240: Final Cut 10, which again I did on this particular show.
00:00.240: A million people have said this before me, but I'm actually like excited to come sit in front of the computer again.
00:00.240: And I think I could cut most of what would might be thrown at me today.
00:00.240: Or, I guess technically, it'd be about 10 years of development.
00:00.240: Shameless plug for Google, even though I hate Google, but I love YouTube.
00:00.240: You know, but I would shoot green screen for others.
00:00.240: Exactly.
00:00.240: Yeah, the reference you're making there is to one of the CrumplePop plugins.
00:00.320: But the the typical one of these episodes, they actually have quite a few edits in the audio file.
00:00.320: Is a brand new Final Cut 10.
00:00.320: Instagram, yeah, there's so many things.
00:00.320: Well, my backstory is probably not the typical backstory, but I was in business actually.
00:00.320: Was automatic doors.
00:00.320: So this was the very start of my professional video career using two Sony handy cams.
00:00.320: And a friend of mine knew a little bit about Final Cut, and he kind of got me started.
00:00.320: You know, I mean, if I went back and told my whole story, it's just like, you know, it's like it was a different world back then.
00:00.320: is utter chaos in video production.
00:00.320: That September or October, somebody sent me one of Philip Bloom's people videos, and I was like, this thing looks amazing.
00:00.320: Whatever, but the pictures all look so shitty, and every time I looked at them, I didn't think the picture looked any better than my handy cam.
00:00.320: And I see the 7D sitting there, and she's like, go ahead and buy it.
00:00.320: And literally, that camera changed my life because all of a sudden, with this I don't know, I think it was a sub $2,000 camera and a $110 lens
00:00.320: This stuff looked like better than most of the stuff that I was watching, you know, out there online.
00:00.320: So I learned about transcoding and all this sort of stuff.
00:00.320: And so I actually started transcoding to XDCam, and that worked out pretty well for me.
00:00.320: Right.
00:00.320: Literally, Chris, I would be working on this stuff like I was like a man possessed.
00:00.320: podcast is to highlight various people's journey so that possibly somebody listening would go, Hmm, yeah, that guy sounds about like me.
00:00.320: And I didn't look at it again until this December 21st or 22nd.
00:00.320: We never intended to be two parts, but I just keep talking, and he eventually throws his hands up and says, Fine, I'll do two afterwards.
00:00.320: No, never.
00:00.320: And it happens to be to a sound that was a song that was written for an organization called Newtown Kindness, which I live right near Newtown, Connecticut, which is where the horrible school shooting was.
00:00.320: So that's what I did, and it was, you know, it it's a video for my family, but it was fun, it was well received, it was easy to cut literally before I left my in-laws house Christmas Eve.
00:00.320: Yep, that'll do.
00:00.320: It's madness.
00:00.320: This is like humble.
00:00.320: Yeah.
00:00.320: Something like advanced screen screen, or I can't remember what it was called.
00:00.320: Oh, damn.
00:00.320: And it was like so fast and easy and smooth.
00:00.320: And this is like a 45-minute interview, and I'm like, okay, how would I cut that?
00:00.320: Right, right.
00:00.320: There are a lot of great tools and different ways to do things.
00:00.320: all of a sudden it the time is like shaved in half, or sometimes even less, because of the way you can put things together like you're just describing.
00:00.320: you can go to the stabilize and it you don't have to analyze it before you stabilize it.
00:00.320: I'd have to try that.
00:00.320: I probably should have written.
00:00.320: Final cut be drop dead simple for eighty five percent of the people that are just going to do drop dead simple stuff
00:00.320: So one the problem is, is once you break into that next percentile, you know, 86%, or however you want
00:00.320: or pull out the effects selection thing in the lower right-hand corner.
00:00.320: unobscure some of those additional features.
00:00.320: Right.
00:00.320: But what I could say is that the things that I love are things that I literally haven't edited in Final Cut 7 since.
00:00.320: Are you familiar with Izzy Video?
00:00.320: My own way to get things done.
00:00.320: that are listening to this episode who are like, ah, yeah, you know, I'll give it a go.
00:00.320: And in my case, most of my clips were pretty short.
00:00.320: And when it came time, so I edited my primary storyline, which was the interview.
00:00.320: I just went to those keyword collections and I'm like, all right, guitar, guitar, other angle of the guitar, piano, piano.
00:00.320: Literally, it was like almost edited before I even edited it.
00:00.320: Maybe you can figure that out for me.
00:00.320: Well, he seems okay with it.
00:00.320: And I started editing in Premiere Pro, and that was easy.
00:00.320: Are you leaving your media in place?
00:00.320: two or three of which are four terabytes, and the others are three terabytes.
00:00.320: And when they took his computers, they took his backup drives.
00:00.320: And I don't want more hard drive space taken up.
00:00.320: The date it was shot, which is very useful when it's a either a multicam day or a multi-day shoot.
00:00.320: Just at a glance, I can see what cameras I'm on.
00:00.320: Bins or vents or whatever you want to call them now.
00:00.320: Boom, it's on the A camera on this day.
00:00.320: So I can go to our database that scans all of our drives.
00:00.320: Okay, because yes, you're right.
00:00.320: I agree.
00:00.320: I actually said, okay, you know what, I'm just going to u I'm going to d do the import right through Final Cut 10.
00:00.320: And that's what I'm going to search for.
00:00.320: I still feel like it's a workaround, that particular one.
00:00.320: And what I find by doing that is that in a month's time, I'm able to be fairly proficient.
00:00.320: You know, it was like all this stuff.
00:00.320: But what I love is this flexibility I have to do like titling and graphics work all within Final Cut.
00:00.320: Like because I can do everything within the editor, I don't need ten other things going on.
00:00.320: Now, boom, it took me like seconds to do like split-screen stuff that would have taken, you know, 20 minutes or an hour to do in the past.
00:00.320: Well, Brian, you uh you say that uh final you may not be the most pro uh proficient editor, but I would tell you you're extremely prolific, and I want to recommend that people go take a look at your uh
00:00.320: And you just said the website, redshoefilm.
00:00.320: um extremely powerful feature of uh of Final Cut.
00:00.320: And it is always a pleasure to have this conversation with you.
00:00.400: Brian is important.
00:00.400: Well, everything sounds great, and your show always sounds great.
00:00.400: And a friend of ours happens to be an author, and she asked me to videotape her and another author in her living room for some stuff she wanted to do for YouTube.
00:00.400: Came back, started throwing it into iMovie, and was like, oh shit, this is not going to work.
00:00.400: Yeah, so you know, I tell you, I see that and I know about that.
00:00.400: It was one of those things where all of a sudden Final Cut stopped crashing and I was experimenting with different formats, transcripting ProRes.
00:00.400: You know, because I think that most people, you know, are just like, I don't want to deal with this.
00:00.400: Oh, there was like no learning curve, literally.
00:00.400: Well, based on that number, I will not be an After Effects person in anywhere in the near future.
00:00.400: And foreground number two, make a compound clip of that.
00:00.400: Yeah, I know that there are things like if you you're talking about like the analyzing for um audio fixes.
00:00.400: And usually what they mean to say is, I can't figure out how to make Vinalcat do X yet.
00:00.400: Because I'm forty-six years old, but I'm like, you know, four years old in this world.
00:00.400: to be that difficult.
00:00.400: How to better take advantage of all the metadata stuff.
00:00.400: Well, I would say I'm not at that point yet, but I do feel that it's coming really quickly.
00:00.400: I won't miss any.
00:00.400: You know, and when I cut that, I literally cut it so fast, I gave it to him the next day.
00:00.400: And I probably banged my head against the Avid for a couple of days and got further in two hours with a brand new Final Cut 10.
00:00.400: Yeah, I mean it so far so good.
00:00.400: Taking your media off your cards, re renaming it.
00:00.400: in that way.
00:00.400: Same deal.
00:00.400: And I called them up and I said, we needed an interview.
00:00.400: There were things that I would send out before for titling, like After Effects, whatever.
00:00.480: And I was really in for a surprise because I don't know if you noticed this, but I hope you don't.
00:00.480: Well for me the issue was all those things I figured out pretty quickly.
00:00.480: So, um and and then maybe they would become interested.
00:00.480: And I had tons and tons of posts.
00:00.480: Yeah, I guess I can hear what I mean.
00:00.480: I actually break it down by application.
00:00.480: A compound clip of the two boxes and the background, and then I took that compound clip and the two raw camera feeds.
00:00.480: But I tell you that this is a common theme that I see all the time where people are
00:00.480: Arrogant, stubborn, whatever.
00:00.480: But it was like it was like pops and buzzes coming out of his mouth because I wasn't you know, it was like an alien in another planet.
00:00.480: And I actually have two days.
00:00.480: Alex McLean, the co host on Digital Cinema Cafe, he throws his hands up in the air and thinks I'm an absolute hack amateur idiot.
00:00.480: What's on it?
00:00.480: And I go to the database and I search for IMG 1582.
00:00.480: in this conversation.
00:00.560: But he never used, and I didn't know that when I started this.
00:00.560: Skype is one step uh it's a weird tool.
00:00.560: She was on a 50 D, I think.
00:00.560: But it was great.
00:00.560: And they wanted at the last minute, the day before, she calls up and she says, Can we shoot green screen?
00:00.560: six presentations by complete nonprofessionals.
00:00.560: And foreground number one and key it.
00:00.560: You know, beep bop beep boop beep up.
00:00.560: Where I stand is that I sort of view MetaTag, and it's kind of like when I first got Music Match in my first iPod before iTunes even came out.
00:00.560: And then I learned that I could label the song and the album and then the artist and then the genre.
00:00.560: I use the stupid mouse a lot, and I always have to stop and force myself to look up the keyword, learn the keyword, and start doing it.
00:00.560: basically my media management is exactly the same as it was before now.
00:00.560: So it's got five four terabyte drives in it.
00:00.560: And it is it's the three O's of data on the Digital Cinema Cafe website.
00:00.560: I'll give you one good example, and this is kind of interesting.
00:00.560: Okay, so as part of the naming nomenclature.
00:00.560: Because you can rename it, right?
00:00.560: And I said, and retained the original file name, it was, and again, I in my example, it's a P two thing.
00:00.560: Lay all that into a multican.
00:00.560: We'll have to figure that out.
00:00.640: I kind of obsess over it a little bit, and I try and make it sound very natural and casual, but there's quite a few edits in this.
00:00.640: So now let's talk a little bit about Final Cut 10.
00:00.640: But no, you and Ron, really, that was and I started thinking about it seriously, and then I heard about the 10.
00:00.640: somewhere in the next couple of days is releasing his package of how to get started in Final Cut 10.
00:00.640: I'm to the point where I'm totally comfortable cutting.
00:00.640: It just all seemed like craziness to me.
00:00.640: And I have another set of drives which actually does lift off site, which is updated every couple of weeks.
00:00.640: I have for many years preached a six digit version of the date, which is just year, year, month, month, day, day.
00:00.640: It is the little like eight-character P2 name.
00:00.640: So, basically, another thing off your list of things you were complaining about.
00:00.640: And there's so much stuff out there, unlike when you were learning this, back in the Dark Ages.
00:00.640: I have to kind of figure out some of the economics of this running out of space.
00:00.720: I just have to sign up for something else.
00:00.720: old computer with small hard drives and even the ProRes, even at the time there was no ProRes LT or Proxy, there was just ProRes 422 and HQ, I think.
00:00.720: There's twenty two different peo twenty three different people in it, and literally drop the key or on it, look at it.
00:00.720: Well, there are tons and tons of things.
00:00.720: That's okay.
00:00.720: I've had a real mindset.
00:00.720: at the li no, at the browser le the file browser level.
00:00.720: Underscore and then hours, minutes, seconds, I think.
00:00.800: But in any event, so I still wasn't planning to become a video guy.
00:00.800: So that's what I started doing.
00:00.800: So I'm like, this is way more important than any clamp I ever bought.
00:00.800: Well I was like so I was like blown away.
00:00.800: Good to hear.
00:00.800: And it's like this little gold mine of there are so many things in here that I am trying to wrap my head around.
00:00.800: And I was it was maddening because I was having to do it was just too much mouse work.
00:00.800: And it's not only Command K just pops up the window.
00:00.800: Now granted, that's including all my drives, which are I've got like a Drobo and backup drives and this sort of stuff, but directly connected to my Mac Pro
00:00.800: A lot of people will tell me, like, oh, I've never really had a hard drive go bad.
00:00.880: So tell me a little bit about Brian Russell.
00:00.880: Audio, shaky cam, color, you know, all all those sorts of um stabilization.
00:00.880: It's interesting.
00:00.880: But those are the sorts of things that I'm actually growing to love in the very, very short time I've been editing with this application.
00:00.880: But so now it's much easier with 10.
00:00.880: Maybe I'll let go of this at some point, but I feel like I just want to know exactly where it is, and I don't want to have to unpackage things and look inside contents.
00:00.880: Camera like for example, I'll do A1, A2, A3, B1, B2, B3.
00:00.880: client name underscore project name underscore oh, this was last week, IMG 1582.
00:00.880: And there's all these things that I'm learning every single day.
00:00.960: All right, welcome to another episode of the Final Cut Grill.
00:00.960: Who are listening are coming to this application.
00:00.960: Okay.
00:00.960: It would be a train wreck if I was to actually lose all of my stuff, you know, all of my media.
00:00.960: data management system, and it's quite ingenious actually.
00:00.960: And I would like to see something like that.
00:00.960: And it is like people often ask me, How'd you learn all this?
00:00.960: So I actually stopped using those sorts of like generator plugins for Final Cut 7 because they were just so sluggish and they were terrible.
00:01.040: Which I thought was really weird.
00:01.040: I'm behind you all the way there.
00:01.040: He's a friend of mine who used to work for Apple in their um Pro hard drive, whatever it was called.
00:01.120: So, hey, Brian, thanks for joining me on the little show here.
00:01.120: And I get that.
00:01.120: I do want to learn it.
00:01.120: See, I learned something today.
00:01.120: That makes sense, but I will say that knowing what camera it comes from in the first couple characters of the file name
00:01.200: I totally get it.
00:01.200: In it, which the first couple of things I cut, I was just experimenting with old footage.
00:01.200: Keep going.
00:01.200: My frustrating thing is that I feel that there's a lot of things that they probably just haven't gotten to yet.
00:01.200: I don't know.
00:01.200: Good to hear.
00:01.200: This whole thing about Apple controlling it all, I understand why they do it.
00:01.200: And this is what I mean about getting to the point where I'm trying to understand the app better.
00:01.200: Yeah, well, I do the same thing.
00:01.200: it has a lot to do with the way we cut, I think, sometimes.
00:01.200: Then making those into a multicam.
00:01.280: This is like it really is amazing.
00:01.280: There's just one more thing you can cross off your list.
00:01.280: But I will say this, is that overall, right now I have a list.
00:01.280: And don't get me wrong, I think Philip Hodgetts is a brilliant guy, and you mentioned the seven to ten plug-in, which is one of his.
00:01.280: But and it and it's helped tremendously.
00:01.280: For me, I think that this whole idea of libraries made my transition so much smoother, too, because it took the biggest barrier in my mind.
00:01.360: It was like a really awesome time in my life because I had this you know, I didn't have clients to report to.
00:01.360: Oh, wow.
00:01.360: Oh, this is a really interesting I did not I did not realize that when we set up this chat.
00:01.360: And as it turned out, yes, I was very easily able to cut the whole thing in a day.
00:01.360: And I don't mean you, but I mean myself included.
00:01.360: I did actually write a lot of stuff.
00:01.360: Why is it out of focus?
00:01.360: we have a unified date functionality.
00:01.360: You saw a couple of things I did with the split screen stuff.
00:01.440: Yeah.
00:01.440: And they ran fast and furious, and I don't blame them because at that time, like, who the hell knew what was going on?
00:01.440: He's pretty open-minded, actually.
00:01.440: It wasn't the way of doing things.
00:01.440: Number one is that oftentimes media gets shared between what they would call libraries.
00:01.440: Let me just look this up real quick because I want to say this.
00:01.440: And I go, well, you know what?
00:01.440: And there were things that I used to shy away from.
00:01.520: Chaos is a great way of describing especially the last, you know, what you call the early aughts, the 2000 to 2010.
00:01.520: Like I seem to recall, like I feel like I've tried this a couple of times and when I wanted to analy it just but there are there are other things and I
00:01.520: you have to understand the mindset of somebody who designs a software to really understand the software.
00:01.520: So explain range-based keywords for me.
00:01.520: I actually, um, because it was I think it was P2 footage, and you know, it's all in that crazy, stupid rapper crap I hate.
00:01.520: So Brian, once again, thanks for doing that for us.
00:01.600: But after 19 years of getting sort of sucked into that, I was watching well, we didn't have Netflix yet, but watching TV and figuring out what to do next.
00:01.680: I took two mini DV, HDV, whatever camcorders with me, shot her and her friend for a day.
00:01.680: They wrote this song for them, and they asked people to put home video to the music and to post the videos.
00:01.680: You have to right-click in the timeline, reveal in browser, or it's like Command-F or whatever the key command is to get you back to the browser.
00:01.760: I had heard you on Ron's show, Crossing the 180, you guys did like a two-parter Final Cut 10 thing.
00:01.760: But yeah, the the time's just been a bit.
00:01.760: They're all on my phone, ready to be played.
00:01.760: For my mind, the way I work, I really like to know exactly what camera it comes off of, even if I'm drilled down really deep into the time line
00:01.760: I don't know.
00:01.760: Over the course of years, you might see that file name again.
00:01.760: Feel free to tell your friends.
00:01.840: And I was thinking at this time, maybe I'll invest in some sort of like camera, like $5,000, $10,000 like, you know, HDV shoulder.
00:01.840: Well, there's a million things like that.
00:01.840: That's right.
00:01.840: The community in film school, like they, I mean, like I said, I love it.
00:01.840: It just drove me crazy.
00:01.920: I mean, I'm I I feel very lucky because I missed a lot of the chaos of like the you know eighties, nineties
00:01.920: I don't like the way it looks.
00:01.920: But right now, I've got big clients, I've got Fortune 500 clients, I've got all kinds of clients.
00:01.920: Okay, so where were we?
00:02.000: He's an important user for this reason.
00:02.000: Uh did you did you actually call?
00:02.000: Yeah, it it I mean I crop a little bit of the edge off, you know, there's just a little hair edge, and that's it, and I'm done.
00:02.000: Because I don't have the idea.
00:02.080: They do supermarket doors.
00:02.080: And later on, when I really understood what the cameras meant, I was like, why would they ever do that?
00:02.080: And I sort of felt the same way.
00:02.080: I'm good at shooting green screen, but I never wanted to edit it.
00:02.160: Perfect.
00:02.160: Exactly.
00:02.160: My biggest mindset problem has been getting out of cutting a Selects timeline and instead creating like Selects out of
00:02.160: He says that in film school there's a huge stigma attached and he would never tell anybody if he was using Final Cut 10.
00:02.240: If you put 10,000 hours into After Effects, then I think you can say you're an After Effects person, but whatever.
00:02.320: What kind of business was it?
00:02.320: Okay.
00:02.320: And I think the stage that I'm at, because I've been using it now for almost two years, actually, I think coming up in the next week or two will be two years.
00:02.320: And then I dabbled in Premiere Pro, and for like a day and a half, I was like, I'm going Premiere Pro.
00:02.320: How do you what kind of drives are you doing?
00:02.320: And part of it is just like an old school control thing.
00:02.320: Are you on Twitter or anything?
00:02.400: I did a couple of like short Daco projects that were for like, you know, I did one for the local church.
00:02.400: Yeah.
00:02.400: What's wrong?
00:02.400: You know, I'm not even, I'm not getting anything out of what you're saying.
00:02.400: Right.
00:02.480: So many things.
00:02.480: I had a huge backlog, and I just felt like I didn't have the time for it.
00:02.480: That's right.
00:02.480: I and I think maybe a lot of that had to do with the fact that you found a base point to start at.
00:02.480: But the current stuff all lives on the Mac Pro and it gets backed up every day and taken off site.
00:02.560: And it's like, well, you know, I don't need to be, you know, your counselor, so to speak, but people need counseling through these kinds of things.
00:02.560: Yep.
00:02.560: Yes.
00:02.560: So you could have guitar, bass, drums, and just go option one, option two, option three.
00:02.560: And I have played with Avid a little bit, and it was one of those situations where everybody said, like, oh, it's going to be way easier to learn Avid and Premiere than it will be to learn Fauna Cut 10.
00:02.560: So, at any rate, that's it for this episode.
00:02.640: Like for me, it really was all about me making the decision that I was going to learn this thing.
00:02.640: Like, literally, I was editing no problem in no time.
00:02.640: I'm sure if I stuck with it, I would have overcome them, but I just didn't feel like it.
00:02.640: And I'm pretty disciplined about that.
00:02.640: My organizational system is not exactly the same as yours, but in Fanuka Classic, and actually even now in Fanuka 10, I create.
00:02.640: And I always keep the original name as part of it as well.
00:02.640: I will tell you that I import my footage, my C300 footage, I import it through Final Cut 7 before I start editing with it because of that reason, the naming thing.
00:02.720: Now, to be honest with you, I can't even remember how I came across Brian.
00:02.720: And basically for the next year, I just I don't know, I probably shot a hundred videos and edited a hundred videos that were all you know
00:02.720: I've heard of it, but I think I've heard of it.
00:02.720: And I've never really sat down with somebody's system.
00:02.720: Just look at the clip.
00:02.800: 1 user.
00:02.800: Give me an example.
00:02.800: And there are a few things, there are a number of things that feel like double steps to me, and a lot of it is probably because I just haven't learned the best way to do it yet.
00:02.880: So I didn't have any skepticism about it.
00:02.880: I don't like doing it.
00:02.880: That's a beautiful thing.
00:02.880: No, that's fine.
00:02.880: And I'm like, no, no, just ignore that because I don't want to stop and render.
00:02.880: And now, like, I've been using you know, keyword collections for organizing my footage and
00:02.880: So somebody will walk in to an edit suite and they'll be holding a CF card.
00:02.960: Where did you learn about the transcoding?
00:02.960: I farm that stuff out all the time.
00:02.960: And that little caret one through ten, those are you can assign keywords to keyboard shortcuts.
00:02.960: And I'm sure that he'll be editing in Final Cut 10 if for no other reason than to help me on projects.
00:02.960: The biggest barrier in my mind was that event project situation.
00:02.960: 1.
00:02.960: And that's worked fine.
00:02.960: Because 2013, four is April, and of course, well, this whole naming thing, before I was even using Fanocut 10, I was working on a project for a company, for a big company.
00:03.040: And frankly, that's why I started this show.
00:03.040: Right, exactly, exactly.
00:03.040: So today is the one month anniversary of the release of 10.
00:03.040: Now all of a sudden I have a three input multicam, one of which is the fully composited two up box look.
00:03.040: Okay, so the learning curve is fast and furious.
00:03.040: I have good reasons for it, and I can argue them and give you examples of where it has absolutely saved my bacon.
00:03.040: They gave they sent me the footage, and it was all the original footage still on in the card contents.
00:03.040: Again, none of these, these things are like minor.
00:03.040: Like, I wouldn't do green screen work before.
00:03.120: One more piece of my digital identity for someone to steal.
00:03.120: Strangely, the local camera shop had talked her out of a 5D a few months earlier and talked her into the 50 D.
00:03.120: 0 and you re-entered the stream back at 10.
00:03.120: Does that make sense?
00:03.120: Yeah, we got on the other side.
00:03.120: And you know, I will actually, those are labeled with the name of the camera.
00:03.120: Why not?
00:03.200: I'm just curious.
00:03.200: Today's January 22nd.
00:03.200: And it was you know, it would have taken me like weeks in Final Cut VII to do this.
00:03.200: By the way, you are correct that I actually just went to a clip and I clicked on stabilization, it's unanalyzed, and now it says analyzing for dominant motion rate on it.
00:03.200: And actually, now it's only 40 because you and I just you just cleared me up on one of those.
00:03.200: Yeah.
00:03.280: And once you do, you go, oh, wow, tons of controls here.
00:03.280: I cut this piece on this musician, you know, last week I guess it was, and I went through all the footage and I made keyword collections.
00:03.280: Okay.
00:03.280: So out of like this, I don't know, like eight million clips, I needed two.
00:03.280: And I'm like, YouTube.
00:03.360: Just get it.
00:03.360: Didn't you see the demo?
00:03.360: I was like, screw this.
00:03.360: So you never worked in 10.
00:03.360: I have no problem cutting and getting everything done that I'm doing.
00:03.360: And I'm like, well, you will.
00:03.360: Okay.
00:03.360: com.
00:03.360: Actually, yeah, it precomposes the wrong term.
00:03.440: So it's a difficult long day.
00:03.440: And as a matter of fact, I do have a list that I've been keeping, and half of the things on the list have come off the list in the last two weeks because I realized that, oh, I just didn't realize how to do it.
00:03.440: You know, when it first came out, you heard guys like Philip Hodgett saying, oh, metadata, metadata, metadata, metadata.
00:03.440: The big question that everybody asks of a 10.
00:03.440: And I will say this is very interesting.
00:03.440: It might not be the best way to cut it.
00:03.520: Chris Fenwick.
00:03.520: When was that?
00:03.520: Because you have the transition from standard dev to H D, you have the standard the transition from four by three to sixteen by nine
00:03.520: So, anyway, this was maybe, I don't know what this was, two weeks ago.
00:03.520: Or are you telling Final Cut to pull it into the library?
00:03.520: And that my biggest fear is that up until I had this current system in place, everything was backed up.
00:03.520: Like that was stuff took forever in Final Cut Pro 7.
00:03.520: How can people follow what you're doing?
00:03.600: In Final Cut 7, it was a nightmare.
00:03.600: If you have something selected in the browser and then you I believe it is option and then one through ten are your
00:03.600: It's actually control.
00:03.600: So I said, screw this, went back to Final Cut 7 and edited there happily until a month ago.
00:03.600: Oh, that's camera A.
00:03.600: So they put me in touch with him.
00:03.600: I was like, oh, interesting.
00:03.600: Right.
00:03.600: And I do wear red sneakers all of the time in case anybody's wondering.
00:03.680: And in some regards, this is better.
00:03.680: And in Final Cut 7, you know, it's like render, render, render, stop, or play it.
00:03.680: Okay.
00:03.760: I went to the Apple store for one-on-one training.
00:03.760: So like when like I said, if somebody said, oh, we shut that on April 16th last year, it's 1304.
00:03.760: Tell your friends, go to the iTunes, leave the comments.
00:03.840: Now I think you had sent me an email or something that said something about getting into this business a little later.
00:03.840: So media lives outside of the library.
00:03.840: Again, is this these all these things that I mentioned, these little things that I'm annoyed with or don't like.
00:03.920: So, when did you first see Final Cut 10?
00:03.920: I couldn't believe it because in Final Cut 7, as you know, keen anything that isn't perfect is a bear.
00:03.920: I'll put the link to it in the show notes.
00:03.920: Now, in the tutorial that I'm going to tell you that I'm referring to.
00:03.920: In the Mac Pro are four drives, they're all two terabytes each.
00:03.920: Yeah, no, I get it.
00:03.920: I'm like a sponge.
00:04.000: Wow.
00:04.000: Now, at the time, this was.
00:04.000: I happened to have a client that needed some stuff green screenshot.
00:04.000: We're like, ah, I can't do this.
00:04.000: I know I've done it a couple of times.
00:04.000: If Apple would just do what I want, everybody would be better off, right?
00:04.000: Yeah, something like that, which actually is not a bad name.
00:04.080: But the hard part for me was I took this footage, it's an MOV.
00:04.080: So I downloaded his tutorials and I started watching them.
00:04.080: I actually did this as an experiment because a client asked me, hey, could you cut this thing in a day?
00:04.080: So the ones I haven't listened to are soon to be listened to.
00:04.080: But because prior to 10.
00:04.080: Not always, but sometimes it really can impact the way we cut, and it impacts our speed because we know
00:04.160: Nope, this was 2009, actually.
00:04.160: And most editing applications have a lot of different ways to do things.
00:04.160: Izzy Hyman, I think his name is.
00:04.160: It it absolutely does.
00:04.160: And I'm like, if the house burns down or if I get broken into, I'm going to be out of luck.
00:04.240: And he also, more importantly, more importantly than just the way this show came together
00:04.240: He never used Final Cut 10.
00:04.240: Now there was there was other issues in terms of like, you know, how to focus it and how to how to hold it and how to get audio, but but the imagery was really what people were were gravitating toward.
00:04.240: Well, so essentially what I do is I go in, and there's a number of ways I could do this, but I go in and I create
00:04.240: You were able to process.
00:04.240: com.
00:04.320: So he's an important user because I believe he represents the way many people
00:04.320: My name is Chris Fenwick.
00:04.320: It was chaos that decade.
00:04.320: Because the demo they did at NIB, the first time I saw it, I was like, it looks like iMovie.
00:04.320: I closed it.
00:04.320: So a month ago.
00:04.320: One that I'm reasonably certain is correct is if I right-click on the clip in the timeline, I cannot reveal it in the Finder.
00:04.320: The clips were like maybe five seconds type thing, ten seconds, because I knew how I was cutting it ahead of time.
00:04.320: You know, Google taking over my life by everything is like combined.
00:04.400: And then when it came back to slot in all the B-roll, instead of hunting around a select reel, which is what I normally do,
00:04.400: Right, right, right.
00:04.400: We've got a few twenty-four hours before that.
00:04.400: Right, right.
00:04.400: Thanks for listening.
00:04.480: I hear that story all the time.
00:04.480: And I still didn't really know how I was going to edit it, other than I knew I was going to use Final Cut 10.
00:04.480: He's like, Holy shit, you have this for me already?
00:04.480: No, I'm sorry.
00:04.560: Well, that's pretty close actually to what we do, I see.
00:04.560: Well, there's so many things that have to be turned.
00:04.560: Yeah.
00:04.560: And I said, what's the name of the clip?
00:04.560: I actually did my renaming Cha Cha Cha in the same way I normally do it, right?
00:04.560: They're like, YouTube?
00:04.560: And now I just do it within Final Cut.
00:04.640: They are not going to have to deal with some of the headaches that we dealt with with 10.
00:04.640: Well, I wasn't sure what to do because I saw that you had like requested me as a contact.
00:04.640: It the the thing I think the reason so many podcasters use it is it really tends to ha when it's working and you have good bandwidth, it actually records a great audio signal.
00:04.640: I went to college for business, was in a family business for a long time, nineteen years actually.
00:04.640: Yeah, that was really an astonishing time when everybody was discovering
00:04.640: I learned the MPEG Streamcliff workflow for watching tutorials online.
00:04.640: Okay, so a month ago you got Funnel Cut 10.
00:04.640: Like I'm doing I'm currently cutting three pieces that are it's a wide aspect.
00:04.640: So I essentially would just drag the range into you know, I'd set the range and drag it into the keyword collection, set the range, drag it into the keyword collection, set the
00:04.640: Control.
00:04.640: What's your physical setup that you're working with?
00:04.640: Yeah.
00:04.640: For renaming my files.
00:04.640: Stick it in a computer, you look at it, and it has the original file name.
00:04.640: I'd shoot green screen.
00:04.720: Sorry about that, Brian.
00:04.720: That's the way I feel about Pinterest and
00:04.720: This was just like a side project to do for my friend, really.
00:04.720: Everybody has there is a journey that everybody makes when they pick up this application.
00:04.720: And I started understanding what this tagging meant, and that I didn't have to have my music because I was very frustrated with the music situation.
00:04.720: That I feel, other than they make it a little easier to package some things up, if you want to.
00:04.720: That's what I'm looking for.
00:04.800: I appreciate you taking the time to do this.
00:04.800: It's eyes rolling in the back of your head business.
00:04.800: That's right, faces in ransom walk down a busy street, stop people.
00:04.800: I'm like, wait a minute, I got three more questions, and you didn't answer them.
00:04.800: Yeah, I always say, and I've said this on this show before, that After Effects is not an application, it's a career.
00:04.800: Like it's a real sort of paranoia I have and I've had hard draws go bad.
00:04.800: So it does know it.
00:04.800: And I want to say thanks again.
00:04.880: I would be up until three in the morning, like editing, watching tutorials, figuring things out.
00:04.880: But Christmas Eve, I shot some family video and I cut a piece together.
00:04.880: And I've been forcing myself to use those the last couple of weeks, right?
00:04.880: No, it's a yet for you.
00:04.880: As an editor, I really like that.
00:04.880: We have like 150 drives in the closet stored.
00:04.880: It might not be the fastest, but I think I could do it and I think I'd have fun doing it.
00:04.960: It edited well in Final Cut Pro Classic, and it didn't take up very much space.
00:04.960: The room's really ugly, and I'm not sure what we want to do.
00:04.960: Take those two compound clips, make a multicam out of it.
00:04.960: I'm holding it in front of me.
00:04.960: So I'm like a baby.
00:04.960: I think Final Cup Pro would tell you that you don't need to do that anymore because you can do that through all through metadata.
00:04.960: Like, I haven't had anything.
00:04.960: It's like, I mean, I could make a list this long for Final Cut 7 of bullshit that annoys me still.
00:05.040: But I had done a little test with Green Screen and Finocut.
00:05.040: It's interesting that you did not find the transition
00:05.040: And that's where I learned the no, that's when I stopped and I learned the command K.
00:05.040: And um I think I think I kind of impressed him with my multicam trick about precomposing the green screens over the backgrounds and then
00:05.120: Now, my my dad's business, my family business that I worked at for one summer, na ni I didn't lose nineteen years of my life, I lost one summer.
00:05.120: And at the time, I was also very, very busy with it was like the first year that I was like, really, you know, jamming busy with video production.
00:05.120: You know, this, I'm going to go get Premiere or Avid or, you know, whatever.
00:05.120: It's going to take at least 10,000 hours.
00:05.120: Okay.
00:05.120: Absolutely.
00:05.120: And now, all of a sudden, literally, boom.
00:05.120: Yes, you can follow me on Twitter at Red ShoeFilm.
00:05.200: I'm not an After Effects guy.
00:05.200: But so part of it is that things are used in multiple projects and I don't want copies or multiple libraries and I don't want copies of them made.
00:05.200: And the other thing is that I hate the fact that FanaCut 10 does not give me naming options when I import the footage.
00:05.200: No, I totally get it.
00:05.200: That's it for this episode of Funnel Hit Grill.
00:05.280: But much of what I do, I just sort of stumble around and kind of figure out
00:05.280: So control one, two, three, four, or up to actually control zero is remove all keywords, so don't do that one by accident.
00:05.280: Well, I will definitely listen to that.
00:05.280: Now, when I rename the file, I retain the original file name.
00:05.360: She's thinking, I wouldn't mind using that camera.
00:05.360: And I also share my editing with a couple of other people, including my son, who's in film school right now, or where I'd like to be actually.
00:05.360: And I thought about it.
00:05.360: So if I see IMG 1582 within the net last couple months
00:05.360: So when I rename that file, if I see a version of it that says, you know, B3
00:05.440: This is Final Cut Grill 017.
00:05.440: What made you take another look at it?
00:05.440: I wish I was there with them.
00:05.440: And things as stupid as when I raised the video up one track, the audio didn't go down.
00:05.440: I'm like, Yeah, YouTube.
00:05.440: It's called Split Screen X.
00:05.440: In Final Head 10.
00:05.520: I'm going to guess that's about like mid
00:05.520: And it it just astonishes me that like stuff like that is available.
00:05.520: Not to put you on the spot, but I'm curious.
00:05.520: And in large measure, it's coming really quickly because of guys like you.
00:05.520: You know, you mentioned that you were setting the range and then dragging it into the keyword collection.
00:05.520: Like I would not call myself an expert by any means, but I'm fairly proficient
00:05.520: You know, there's, but there's way too many things that I love about working with Final Cut.
00:05.520: And if it doesn't do something, I just go buy a plug-in for forty bucks.
00:05.600: Not difficult in that they're difficult people, just difficult in that they're not used to being on camera.
00:05.600: There are things that you can't you have to do it in a very specific way.
00:05.600: So it wasn't that it didn't do it, it was that I didn't know how to do it.
00:05.600: That's so much easier in Final Cut 10.
00:05.600: You know, I I'm just uh
00:05.600: So, let me ask you this: what does your son think about you dabbling around in Final Cut 10?
00:05.600: And the order that I do is
00:05.600: And I'm just frustrated that Fonica 7, one of the nice things it had was 8 million ways to rename footage upon import.
00:05.600: We will come to you next time.
00:05.600: Apparently, I cannot do as many shows in a month as I would like to do.
00:05.680: I just had myself to like you know, and I and all I cared about was learning more about video production and video post production.
00:05.680: And there was no you know, we don't have the Canvas browser situation anymore.
00:05.680: Part of it, to be perfectly honest, it's like a control thing.
00:05.760: I'm sure something lots of video professionals do these days, right?
00:05.760: And then I realize
00:05.760: Yeah, no, a very smart setup.
00:05.840: So Brian is very interesting.
00:05.840: It's one of those things that's like been on the list of like sign up for Skype.
00:05.840: Exactly.
00:05.840: Right.
00:05.840: Make a compound clip of that.
00:05.840: I may be slightly off in my numbers, but it's got five drives
00:05.840: So getting back to now I said I can work in the app, now I want to learn it.
00:05.840: Exactly.
00:05.840: I'm actually more of a shooter than an editor by a little bit.
00:05.920: I don't know what that's called.
00:06.000: Here's a trick that you could have done: you take plate number one.
00:06.000: But now, literally, I just hit play.
00:06.080: And I was like, holy shit.
00:06.080: Yeah.
00:06.080: That's right.
00:06.080: You have I commend you.
00:06.080: So it's like, and I, you know, it's C300, 5D, 7D.
00:06.080: It did not occur to me that I couldn't rename it.
00:06.080: It knows it.
00:06.080: And I don't know, it sounds so stupid.
00:06.160: And that's sort of the recipe, right?
00:06.160: But I bought this thing on an impulse and I came home and I started shooting with a nifty 50.
00:06.160: I can't deal with this.
00:06.160: All my current projects, so that the Drobo serves mostly as archive.
00:06.160: So in a DSLR workflow for years, I have preached the technique of
00:06.160: Oh, wait, these are both the same camera.
00:06.160: Now, I'll say I just did actually this one, this project that I'm working on, the big wide one.
00:06.160: And if you got a if you had some sort of like generator plug-in, the thing that it would crash the program trying to render.
00:06.240: I am willing to bet that Brian is just like most of the people that are listening to the show.
00:06.240: And I really think that you are going to um appreciate what uh Brian has to say about Final Cut ten point one.
00:06.240: Just awful.
00:06.240: And I wasn't interested in investigating all the other ways that people subsequently developed to do it.
00:06.240: 1.
00:06.240: I'm like, this is like nothing.
00:06.240: Very cute.
00:06.240: 1.
00:06.240: Yeah, yeah, I'm not worried about rolling over to 3000.
00:06.320: Okay, don't get me started.
00:06.320: So, what I did is I made
00:06.320: It'll just go, oh, this isn't analyzed.
00:06.320: Explain your workflow for using those keywords.
00:06.320: And Command-K I actually was using yesterday because I'm cutting this thing.
00:06.320: But there's a lot of pretentious snobbery that goes on in film school.
00:06.320: Even when you're doing color correction, it's like turning on and off all these layers and tracks.
00:06.320: And I don't want two copies of the media.
00:06.320: And he had his computers.
00:06.320: There was an episode that we did on the Digital Cinema Cafe show, me and Alex, where we had Topher Martini
00:06.320: Those really help me out.
00:06.400: Well, what did it never when I sit down with Ron, it's it
00:06.400: And I'm getting to the, I personally am getting to the point where that stuff is starting to sink in, and it's really exciting.
00:06.400: Like knowing what camera it comes from is really.
00:06.400: It's completely unprofessional.
00:06.480: No problem at all.
00:06.480: 1 release.
00:06.480: That's right.
00:06.480: I'm I name, you know, I put it in the guitar and I know ahead of time that I am going to have, like, in this particular case, I knew there was
00:06.480: And I just,
00:06.480: And then I have the client name and the job name, very short, and I try and really truncate that and abbreviate that.
00:06.480: Now, what I will I will complain.
00:06.480: Yeah, there was some fun stuff in there.
00:06.560: Okay, so very interesting.
00:06.560: Check into that, and I will too.
00:06.560: Yeah.
00:06.560: 1, it was
00:06.560: It just knows it.
00:06.560: 1, it's a compound clip.
00:06.640: I think maybe he contacted me.
00:06.640: 0.
00:06.640: I don't really want to learn After Effects.
00:06.640: You might want to listen to that.
00:06.640: Yeah.
00:06.640: And I also understand that at a certain level of editing, you're not thinking about it.
00:06.720: I'm a bit I mean, I'm an editor, so
00:06.720: I hope I don't have that wrong.
00:06.720: Right.
00:06.720: That's one that I still view as kind of like a workaround.
00:06.720: YouTube is the greatest university in the world.
00:06.720: Thanks for being a part of this and sharing your excitement.
00:06.720: I was wondering and I was going to ask you.
00:06.800: Oh, wow.
00:06.800: I've got twenty-four items that I say I like.
00:06.800: I will say on the first launch day back in 2001.
00:06.800: But I'm beginning to realize that I truly don't understand the application yet.
00:06.800: And by making libraries, I felt like, all right, my media management, it was one less thing I had to like
00:06.800: Although I will say, basically what you're doing is spot on.
00:06.800: It's there.
00:06.800: And I was looking through some of your stuff on Vimeo.
00:06.880: My pleasure.
00:06.880: But just like two months ago, like a month and a half ago.
00:06.880: Exactly.
00:06.880: So the barrier to entry for me was I wasn't willing to commit any time to learning it.
00:06.880: But you have to know how to
00:06.880: Yeah.
00:06.880: And so whatever system you choose, and not that they're preaching totally different systems, but you know what I mean.
00:06.880: Okay, great.
00:06.960: So I find out about the Canon 7D from
00:06.960: That's right.
00:06.960: But I believe now, correct me if I'm wrong.
00:06.960: Yes.
00:06.960: This was like, you know, maybe two years ago, year and a half ago.
00:06.960: 1 user is
00:06.960: Gotcha.
00:06.960: I needed an audio file and I needed a video file because it was shot on DSLRs.
00:06.960: Because you just got to know where to look.
00:07.040: A little bit, yeah.
00:07.040: Well, one of what you're describing right now is one of the things that I it's actually both my favorite thing and my frustration about Final Cut ten, which is that
00:07.040: But there were like just a bunch of little quirky things that I
00:07.040: No, I leave all my media in place.
00:07.040: Has this been transferred?
00:07.040: And it was completely unhelpful for to me because he didn't have he didn't have now
00:07.040: And I I've only gone into motion a couple of times and mostly it's been to like make favorites and to tweak a few things for that I'm going to use.
00:07.120: I did one for this like pet rescue organization.
00:07.120: And it was like one of these, we're going to fix it in post-type situations.
00:07.120: But in Final Cut 10, what I found is that some of the things that used to take me the most time
00:07.120: Yeah, naming your files is
00:07.120: I'm the type of person, I'm not good at learning by just clicking around.
00:07.200: Anyway, go ahead.
00:07.200: In any event, I buy the 70 on a whim, which is something I never do.
00:07.200: Hey, I'm going to give you a little tip here, and this is based on a tutorial that I put on the Digital Cinema Cafe website a while back called
00:07.200: And I think that an overriding goal of Apple is to make
00:07.200: And over the last two and a half years, I actually bought Avid and put it on my system.
00:07.200: I have a five bay Drobo, I don't know, S or something, which is ESATA connected to the Mac Pro.
00:07.280: Yeah.
00:07.280: At the time, I had like a
00:07.280: And the only thing that I thought was a lot of people were complaining, like, this is iMovie on steroids or iMovie Pro or whatever.
00:07.280: What was what was the learning curve slash learning wall like?
00:07.280: And by the, you know, I don't know how far in, but not very far in, I was feeling pretty comfortable and I cut my first piece.
00:07.280: It was like I imported the thing and everything was like track one, two, three, four, five.
00:07.280: Yeah, as a matter of fact, if you use the renaming function that's part of
00:07.360: He kind of held on to Final Cut 7.
00:07.360: Okay, you're just a little babe, a babe in the business, aren't you?
00:07.360: Right.
00:07.360: You and Ron Dawson.
00:07.360: 0.
00:07.360: That's a long time.
00:07.360: And it's like a baby learning not to touch the hot stove.
00:07.360: Like, it's such a basic thing.
00:07.360: It was just that easy.
00:07.440: Okay.
00:07.440: I think one overriding principle that I've sort of come to kind of accept about the software is that
00:07.440: You know, not we're not even getting into editing.
00:07.440: Exactly.
00:07.520: Well, I just got finished going through Brian's interview that I did the other morning, and I think I did like five edits in the whole thing.
00:07.520: Thanks for having me.
00:07.520: We did parking revenue control.
00:07.520: She does, you know, families and Christmas cards and stuff like that.
00:07.520: Analyzing footage.
00:07.520: Okay, so for people that don't get it, because I'm going to bet that there are people
00:07.520: Yes, we have it.
00:07.520: Like, it doesn't even make sense to me why that would be the case.
00:07.600: Well, you guys definitely don't have a problem talking, which is a good thing.
00:07.600: Right.
00:07.600: And then the other thing that I would do, and again, I might be moving away from this workflow.
00:07.600: It's not the way it's done.
00:07.600: I literally just turn on my I fire up Google Chrome and in five seconds I get a tutorial on anything I want.
00:07.600: Like for me, this program actually is made exactly for me.
00:07.680: At the time, it was version 6, I think.
00:07.680: I spend $50 on all kinds of you know, I'll spend $50 on a clamp.
00:07.680: Yeah, I know.
00:07.680: Your data plan is much better than mine.
00:07.680: Do you have this logged?
00:07.760: Let me put this in Final Cut Pro 6.
00:07.760: And that list keeps getting shorter because I'm, you know.
00:07.760: Topher speaks very eloquently about his own personal
00:07.760: Okay, fine, no problem, send it my way.
00:07.840: They install those kind of gate things and stuff, you know, with the little button that you hit in your car.
00:07.840: Right.
00:07.840: Well, like a lot of other people, I downloaded it the day it came out.
00:07.840: I'm not always that smart, and I myself am a click.
00:07.840: Or if somebody goes, Yeah, remember that stuff we shot back in April?
00:07.920: 1.
00:07.920: So you went from seven
00:07.920: My son's home from college.
00:07.920: There must be something from the other angle.
00:08.000: I'm sorry.
00:08.000: That's right.
00:08.000: Gotcha.
00:08.000: Like I have twenty-four terabytes of storage and I'm always against the wall.
00:08.000: We'll see you next time.
00:08.080: Take plate number two
00:08.080: It doesn't even matter that there's an orange bar there.
00:08.080: Right.
00:08.080: Like, I don't know what that means.
00:08.080: By offsite, I mean my car.
00:08.080: They took the computers and everything was backed up, but the backup drives were sitting next to the computers.
00:08.160: And then
00:08.160: And I have a client sitting here, and they're like
00:08.160: Like I've listened to, I think, most of the Grill podcasts so far.
00:08.160: You're making me feel bad.
00:08.160: I really enjoyed the time that he gave to us.
00:08.240: 0.
00:08.240: Absolutely.
00:08.240: A people video.
00:08.240: I think I sent you the clip.
00:08.240: Yes, you know, one of the things I tell people all the time, I've said it a million times publicly.
00:08.320: He's
00:08.320: You can't just right-click in the timeline.
00:08.320: And then you have to shift F and then you have to analyze it in the browser.
00:08.320: And I think that's what we hear a lot about there: people say, well, Final Cut 10 doesn't do X.
00:08.320: And even when I've had to use a Final Cut 7 project, I convert it using 7 to 10.
00:08.320: Right.
00:08.320: Like for me anyway.
00:08.320: Right.
00:08.320: This guy didn't know where to look.
00:08.320: Brian was very enthusiastic about his use of range based keywords.
00:08.400: Okay.
00:08.400: Okay.
00:08.400: I think that a lot of people are going to take your, you know, the Brian Russell path.
00:08.400: You're an idiot.
00:08.400: It's been transferred, it's been logged.
00:08.400: Not exactly sure when that's going to be, hopefully, soon.
00:08.480: Okay.
00:08.480: And whether you you know, you choose Larry Jordan's videos or the Ripple Training videos or I think um
00:08.480: I don't know.
00:08.480: Cool.
00:08.480: Make a compound clip of the foreground and background in the
00:08.560: I got totally sucked into a Twitter rant between a couple of people.
00:08.560: I wouldn't mind using that camera and give this guy something to do.
00:08.560: So I was sort of mystified why people were so surprised that it looked like iMovie.
00:08.560: We're actually recording that.
00:08.560: Okay, well let me stabilize it.
00:08.560: But I do a lot of like, you know, color correction and
00:08.640: And even with all the headaches that we had
00:08.640: So I had played around with iMovie over the years, so I said, sure, no problem.
00:08.640: Sounds right.
00:08.720: And I had already cut probably 10 pieces or so in Final Cut 10.
00:08.720: And as a matter of fact, even I'm
00:08.720: I was like, oh, I know that plugin.
00:08.800: But I've actually worked with him in Avid.
00:08.800: And that would you know, that would put me out of business.
00:08.880: And so by now, your wife is like thinking, oh, what did I get him into?
00:08.880: Like I feel like
00:08.880: Thanks a lot, Brian.
00:08.960: And
00:08.960: It is okay.
00:08.960: So for example, there's a lot of stuff you can't do in the timeline.
00:08.960: I was like, good.
00:09.040: Him and I go in.
00:09.040: And even when it is perfect, there's so much tinkering and fine tuning and fiddling.
00:09.040: Let's see, it would be a DCC zero one seven
00:09.040: I got to go digging.
00:09.120: I want to kind of get the low down.
00:09.120: And then right after that, I had a project to do for a nonprofit
00:09.120: And I don't have the passion for it.
00:09.120: If you try to stabilize something
00:09.280: Right, right.
00:09.280: As a matter of fact, the files I think were about the same size as the H264s.
00:09.280: And I didn't at the time, I didn't know where to tell him to look.
00:09.360: Right.
00:09.360: I'm like, I'm switching to Premiere Pro.
00:09.360: You'll that'll be easy.
00:09.360: We might have to wrap up this interview so I can go pack up some stuff.
00:09.360: Okay, so it's you know, IMG 1382, whatever.
00:09.360: Like, why couldn't I do A, B, C, and D?
00:09.360: Later, later.
00:09.440: He's one of those guys just like, oh no, I like Final Cut, I'm done.
00:09.440: Boy, it'd be great if we had honest-to-goodness answers for people to listen to.
00:09.440: At any rate, Izzy, I think just today or.
00:09.520: You know, and one of which is
00:09.600: Well, I guess it's one month in a day or whatever.
00:09.600: So
00:09.600: It was like all the guitar footage, all the keyboard footage, all the piano footage, all of the knobs and switches footage, all of the
00:09.600: God, yes.
00:09.600: Boom.
00:09.680: And to be honest, I'm new to the Skype thing.
00:09.680: Crash.
00:09.680: We shoot this thing in a day.
00:09.680: Right.
00:09.680: I'm assuming you're doing actually range-based keywords, yes?
00:09.680: You know that you can if you hit Command K, I believe it is.
00:09.680: I'm saying option.
00:09.680: Yeah, absolutely.
00:09.680: But I am.
00:09.760: And then I sold that business.
00:09.760: But none of these things are things that
00:09.840: That's right, his people videos.
00:09.840: I set up two multicam clips, one for the plates and one for the subjects.
00:09.840: It just plays and it looks nice.
00:09.920: So like
00:09.920: Avid is a real click monster.
00:09.920: But in Final Cut 10, it was just one of those things where
00:10.000: Right, nightmare.
00:10.000: I like tutorials, I like to watch things, I like to read books.
00:10.000: All right, man.
00:10.080: I'm not an impulse buy guy.
00:10.080: And if you haven't analyzed it on input, if you want to analyze it later, you can't just right-click
00:10.080: It's like a cooking thing, and there's all kinds of activities and people, and I need to.
00:10.080: Right.
00:10.080: Two copies, two locations, good to go.
00:10.080: And, and
00:10.160: And I didn't know about show video animation and audio animation.
00:10.160: Now, you know, I can
00:10.160: It's encouraging, and I hope it encourages other people to take a look at this software.
00:10.240: Yep.
00:10.240: It's like 32, 40 by 1080 pixels.
00:10.320: That's right.
00:10.320: Like, I love video, like, I love cutting motion pictures.
00:10.320: I have to go to the browser to reveal it in the Finder.
00:10.400: Can I just can we just set up a you know
00:10.400: So there you go.
00:10.400: I do the same thing with my keywords.
00:10.480: Let me put this in Final Cuts Pro 6, crash.
00:10.480: Talk to you later.
00:10.560: I don't know if it's option.
00:10.640: I am a total babe in the woods.
00:10.640: People lose their minds.
00:10.640: I get it.
00:10.720: We shot seven.
00:10.720: I'm getting out of this Fonica thing.
00:10.800: And
00:10.960: My brother and I had it.
00:10.960: And I can make, yes, you can change the appearance so that the name appears.
00:11.040: Tell me your backstory.
00:11.120: 16, done.
00:11.120: Take care.
00:11.200: I know exactly what you're talking about.
00:11.200: Now, was she already shooting cannon at the time?
00:11.200: And really the purpose of this
00:11.200: So I just abandoned it.
00:11.200: I have Premiere Pro on my system.
00:11.280: So my previous comment was bullshit.
00:11.280: Well, don't miss any.
00:11.280: It's incredible.
00:11.280: So but but by doing that
00:11.360: You have to
00:11.440: What day in April?
00:11.520: Yeah, so interesting.
00:11.600: Range dragon into the keyword collection.
00:11.600: I'm like a
00:11.680: Bye-bye.
00:11.760: Oh, yeah, I know.
00:11.760: Right.
00:11.760: Still annoys you after 14 years of development.
00:11.840: We sold it.
00:11.840: I went into the city.
00:11.920: Screw Apple, a bunch of bastards, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:12.160: And he's.
00:12.240: Oh, wow.
00:12.240: You can't do it in the timeline.
00:12.320: Yeah, it's a double step.
00:12.400: Okay, I'm sorry.
00:12.400: Well, the 18th.
00:12.400: I hope you picked up on that.
00:12.480: Where
00:12.640: Not happy.
00:12.880: So.
00:12.960: Skype is um
00:12.960: Go ahead.
00:12.960: Okay.
00:13.200: Yeah, right.
00:13.280: What's going on?
00:13.280: It just
00:13.280: Yes.
00:13.360: Brian
00:13.360: Yeah.
00:13.760: Right.
00:13.760: Okay.
00:14.320: Yeah.