Episode 12
FCG012 - Old Guys and FCPX (feat. Mike Savino)
Too old to learn FCPX? Never! Mike Savino and Chris got together a couple days after 10.1 was released and among other things were actually updating projects from 10.0.9 to 10.1 DURING the interview. In addition to FCPX we spend a bit of time talking about naming conventions and data storage for many projects.
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- Chris Fenwick
- Mike Savino - @mikesavinofilm
Transcription
00:00.001: But the beauty of a manager that I liked was when I mounted a drive, it we'd remember it and I could look through and I couldn't really search it because it didn't have a great search feature.
00:00.001: So, at any rate, that's episode 012.
00:00.001: So, anyway, I enjoy the conversation, I enjoy the application, and I hope you do too.
00:00.080: to get to use the password thing, I think you do.
00:00.080: 50% because that's what they're accustomed to seeing in slow motion.
00:00.160: all the way up to using Final Cut X and why he likes it and why he loves it and why and I think this is the most important thing he said is it is it puts the passion back into him
00:00.160: We're already seeing people that were like completely against it, just saying, Oh, you know, give it a try, I'll give it a look.
00:00.160: So big weekend uh first of all, before we get started, yeah, we're going to talk about Final Cut 10 and we're probably going to talk a lot about media management.
00:00.160: work in the medical field because I I have always had an interest in medicine and nurses and nurses and then one day uh my friend uh took me into the T V studio
00:00.160: Edge.
00:00.160: I know every aspect, you know?
00:00.160: Broadcast facilities because I did that as well.
00:00.160: Just picked up a copy.
00:00.160: I couldn't really sacrifice time and energy at that point, you know, trying to keep the work coming in and out to really
00:00.160: To kind of loosen up, and then you plug it in and it boots right up.
00:00.160: And day one download, I uh I opened it up, I looked at it, I scratched my head
00:00.160: I was on vacation.
00:00.160: Was that an update or of that was of proportion?
00:00.160: And I would go back and I would almost forget how to use it because I was so used to the new Final Cut 10.
00:00.160: and the cape is wonderful for reading 'cause there's really not much to do other than the beach and read.
00:00.160: And I, you know, I I love watching Larry and the Ripple guys.
00:00.160: So, you have to find, well, where am I going to put my music stems?
00:00.160: That I want you to build, and I may be working on a totally different project at the time.
00:00.160: Well, it's interesting.
00:00.160: And I'm just, you know, I tell them you got to make a living.
00:00.160: I've touched everybody, and that's sort of my response.
00:00.160: At the 10.
00:00.160: metaphor.
00:00.160: I I basically had those two folders.
00:00.160: I know.
00:00.160: A DVD as a delivery method?
00:00.160: A client that says, you know, can you just put it on DVD?
00:00.160: to your thirty second commercial, so now you're Do me a favor, why don't you describe speed ramping as you understand it so far?
00:00.160: Is when you take a clip, and let's say you're producing a 30-second commercial, and I put the clip through, and let's say the client says, Hey, you know what?
00:00.160: Them go away.
00:00.160: but but there's something about it it's like little tiny bits it's like yeah i feel better about that it's it's very interesting the psychology of
00:00.160: of design when you get into it.
00:00.160: one.
00:00.160: Cool.
00:00.160: That learning curve, or as I mentioned in the interview, the learning wall, where you have to get over that first bit.
00:00.240: At any rate, he's going to tell you his journey, starting with an old Sony RM440.
00:00.240: the same trenches that I've been through.
00:00.240: Right out of right well, throughout most of my life since I was a little kid and I always um wanted to be a guitar player and play in a band and, you know, make hit records and have screaming
00:00.240: You know, we're seasoned pros.
00:00.240: as expensive as they were, you know, the two piece camera camcorder system.
00:00.240: And the 320 by 240 was the large size that we delivered.
00:00.240: shoot the piece, edit the piece, and air the piece.
00:00.240: And now you're sitting at a computer doing the same thing.
00:00.240: I'm sorry, Video Cube?
00:00.240: You know, how do I get it off?
00:00.240: You know, back in those days, the workflow was take tape off out of camera, digitize into a machine.
00:00.240: Edit, save that EDL, and then put the tape back on a shelf.
00:00.240: From your EDL.
00:00.240: people are complaining that it doesn't have tape transport controls to do something that we were doing fifteen years earlier, you know?
00:00.240: For a way of working, you have a source, you're going to ingest it, you're going to work with it, and then you're going to have to archive it.
00:00.240: or LTO got to the point where it was like, yeah, just leave it on the drive.
00:00.240: archiving process that was better than a hard drive, you'd make a fortune.
00:00.240: Definitely there's ways to do it rather inexpensively.
00:00.240: And then if you needed to rework it, you'd stick that tape in and it would, you know, magically go and re-digitize all the stuff.
00:00.240: break loose when the motor tells it to spin.
00:00.240: And I went, oh my goodness, what am I doing here?
00:00.240: I think that's when I I I picked up a a an e-book on Final Cut and I started reading it while I was I was down on the Cape
00:00.240: And I just sat there and I brought a project with me and I started playing with it and reading the book and playing and reading and and I that was my vacation, which you know sounds awful to most people, but I actually enjoyed it.
00:00.240: And then, once I started using it regularly, I fell in love with it.
00:00.240: The day, and I never really enjoyed it.
00:00.240: This is old.
00:00.240: So what do you think it was that inspired you to say, you know, I'm going to take my new Retina MacBook Pro on to the Cape?
00:00.240: And then just accessing the the footage from that, I just I found many times I was leaving great shots on the ground.
00:00.240: I got there at 10.
00:00.240: And I had less than I would say, well, at three o'clock, the show started at six.
00:00.240: This morning, you and I were talking with a tweeting with Anthony Mareshi about, you know, I think a lot of people this weekend, this week, whatever, are at the point where they're like, cool, 10-1, love it.
00:00.240: So you were putting those in 10.
00:00.240: you may not be working on it at that moment and the client will say, well, here's my logo, here's a few images, here's another piece of text I want you to throw in, or here's a text file that has some dialogue or some graphic thoughts.
00:00.240: So I knew they were there and I knew that it was a nice little package at the time, you know?
00:00.240: My elements were there that I needed.
00:00.240: Done multiple lectures about this, but having a job folder, I call it.
00:00.240: experimenting with it right now, again December 21st, is I'm actually putting a library folder in each or excuse me, a library in each one of my job folders.
00:00.240: what was it, the upgraded or the updated project folder that they create now.
00:00.240: Yeah.
00:00.240: don't really worry about it.
00:00.240: but I would try to make sure that it was a clean and I I don't like having it sit there and open all those events and God forbid you tap on the volume.
00:00.240: That in at the 10.
00:00.240: I launched one of my sparse disks.
00:00.240: was that when if you had to make a new version of something, it was going to duplicate all the render files.
00:00.240: Actually, two and I'll get to that.
00:00.240: Now, granted, I will say I'm the I'll be the first one to say, no, I don't want the computer just indiscriminately putting crap in the trash.
00:00.240: You know, an old project, I'll just that little song and dance that I just described again, I did it while you were talking, not hard.
00:00.240: It was very simple to do, and I think it's easy.
00:00.240: It sounds like you would really benefit from my my data storage tutorial.
00:00.240: That some of those 120 gigabyte drives are those clear otherworld computing drives.
00:00.240: I mean, all my computers have both seven and ten on them.
00:00.240: Right.
00:00.240: but frankly, not that much.
00:00.240: And then I bought the Retina a couple summers ago, and it didn't have a CD drive.
00:00.240: And now, to be honest with you, I can't remember where it is because I haven't used it in so long.
00:00.240: It's wicked slow.
00:00.240: That's it.
00:00.240: Mike, tell me, what are you most excited about in 10.
00:00.240: But then I realized, really?
00:00.240: Things from what I understand, and I've only scratched the surface of it, you know, hands-on.
00:00.240: the edit by the duration of the clip.
00:00.240: is really nice.
00:00.240: delivery system for footage, for material that we send to clients.
00:00.240: You didn't know what version you were working on.
00:00.240: I wanted to see the footage that was used in the project.
00:00.240: And all of a sudden, you could have a you could easily have a file name that's 20 characters long.
00:00.240: The agency first.
00:00.240: thir uh they actually it was only so it would be twelve thirteen so it was the month and the year and then you can you have I think it's seven characters at that point to put a title on it
00:00.240: format.
00:00.240: Oh, sorry about that.
00:00.240: That has the file on it, and I'm just going to duplicate it.
00:00.240: room service for four days.
00:00.240: make the date, you know.
00:00.240: If I custom order it, say it's going to ship in January.
00:00.240: I just don't.
00:00.240: enlightened and are aware and totally get it.
00:00.240: Thank you, Chris.
00:00.240: what he had to say about passion and about getting excited about editing again.
00:00.240: You know, I have colleagues that are saying, Yeah, it's still consumer.
00:00.240: that you've been doing for years, this is what's going to do it.
00:00.240: Boy to work with.
00:00.320: So we have Mike Savino on the line.
00:00.320: Geez, I actually got started by accident.
00:00.320: fans and and then uh after going to Berkeley School Music and playing in a club and making thirteen dollars one night 'cause we played for the door
00:00.320: And that was it.
00:00.320: And we started shooting on VHS when it first came out.
00:00.320: Yeah.
00:00.320: Count your blessings.
00:00.320: Awesome.
00:00.320: And then I, you know, I had a, it started working for a cable operation, and that was probably the best thing that ever happened because it made me do everything.
00:00.320: I'm from the Boston area.
00:00.320: The problem with the system was there was really no way to archive.
00:00.320: Well yeah, well back in those days hard drives were prohibitively expensive.
00:00.320: Exactly.
00:00.320: I mean, I will tell you, I don't think you can make a fortune because everything is available already off the shelf, I think.
00:00.320: my data storage technique.
00:00.320: you know, backup, archive, and storage.
00:00.320: And what I would do is have the program read the the disk and then create a text folder of all my drives using Spotlight to search.
00:00.320: when I needed to find a a project that may have been you know, I have drives going back to I think it's two thousand and five maybe.
00:00.320: and literally just spinning it really hard and then stopping it with your hand and the inertia causes that stiction
00:00.320: Oh, goodness, quite a while.
00:00.320: To get that off, and all my live type files are gone now, but I didn't care because I really enjoyed 10.
00:00.320: piece it together, you know, let's get it going.
00:00.320: That I just wasn't stoked.
00:00.320: you know, because of you know, some of the projects might have five, six hundred clips in it because you're shooting for a week on a project.
00:00.320: There was nothing visual in the bin system.
00:00.320: Horrendous at times.
00:00.320: I didn't like how Final Cut was organized.
00:00.320: to the to the user, to get us in excited about it, 'cause they they made it entertaining to hey, let's we're gonna look at this today and we're gonna do that.
00:00.320: make sure I understood what was going on.
00:00.320: for the show.
00:00.320: Store things in the event folder, like additional stuff.
00:00.320: As I'm piecing this together, and if I was on Final Cut 7, I even told some of my colleagues that were there, I'm like, I could have never have done it.
00:00.320: And you get over what one of the listeners has referred to as the learning wall, not so much a learning curve.
00:00.320: If you just open the application and play dumb and use it exactly the way Apple would have you use it, in other words, well, my music files come from iTunes and my
00:00.320: Still images come from iPhoto.
00:00.320: is it took Lucas three years to turn around each movie and you did one in three hours.
00:00.320: they created the package that's really not available through the import window.
00:00.320: All of your assets, not just your media, but all of your assets: logos, EPS files, Photoshop documents, TIF files, scripts, notes from phone calls, production notes.
00:00.320: And all of that stuff is there, including when what I would do, and this was quite it was a little controversial ten years ago.
00:00.320: I needed to get at these things later on.
00:00.320: And the other day I started, you know, when it first came out, I said, okay, let me update one disk.
00:00.320: and I up I connected my disk drive and started updating it.
00:00.320: My disk volume name with all my projects and I or all my events, or I guess they're events now.
00:00.320: Yeah, I mean, and it's not that, you know, you do the best work you can for each of them.
00:00.320: And you're opening up every piece of footage on the hard drive, it got to be a little unruly at times.
00:00.320: concept, but yeah, the problem with the project pro uh pros uh the project metaphor, if you will, from 10 O X
00:00.320: Right.
00:00.320: Sparse disc, which is now open.
00:00.320: Um and and essentially it took a very brief amount of time and it would open the whole thing.
00:00.320: and not one sparse disk per job.
00:00.320: In the middle of that process, it pops up with a little window that says, Do you want to move your old project to the excuse me, your old event and project to the trash?
00:00.320: But at this point, I can take that guy and delete it.
00:00.320: I don't know for certain because, again, I leave my media in my media folder, which is in the job folder.
00:00.320: is just much better.
00:00.320: And that is huge for me because there are many times when, like I said, I'll be there and I'm like, oh, do I really want to make that slow motion?
00:00.320: Is simple as just seeing the through edits.
00:00.320: the uh the the the icons or the viewer the film strip viewer changed a little bit.
00:00.320: I'm pretty let me take this back.
00:00.320: But it but you couldn't see the middle bit and oh you know really isn't there a way to like hover over it and have it pop up and I found that myself
00:00.320: Well, it was like you use a four-letter ID, which is usually an agency or a client name.
00:00.320: Every area where I edit, so I can follow it correctly.
00:00.320: Standardized commercial identifier.
00:00.320: Uh the other thing you want to look at on my website is uh just search in the little search box, or maybe I'll mail you some links.
00:00.320: And then there was either the length of the spot, and followed by an H, or if it was high definition.
00:00.320: When you've been doing this long enough and you do enough jobs per day, you know, you realize if you know, my whole thing is, if if if I had to like search for something because I didn't know where it was, I would just lose my mind.
00:00.320: Oh, it's tough.
00:00.320: That if it were to become corrupt, literally in an afternoon, I could rescan all the drives again.
00:00.320: You know, slowly, I have too many discs to start doing it, but one.
00:00.320: No, no.
00:00.320: And I I made an observation when I started the show that I realized that we have spent that many people have spent a whole lot of time grousing about what Final Cut didn't do.
00:00.320: That they failed to look at what it did do.
00:00.320: Ow, having the ability to boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
00:00.320: waiting for him to you know, he's just got to tell me I'll have it on that December 30th.
00:00.320: job.
00:00.320: Apple store in London with one the morning of.
00:00.320: Hundred cards.
00:00.320: At Mike Savino Film Video, S-A-V-I-N-O, or you can get me on Twitter, and that's Mike SavinoFilm.
00:00.400: 006.
00:00.400: And then it started to come around with non-linear editing, and I worked on the very first Avid where the picture size was 320 by 240.
00:00.400: Um that's 1998.
00:00.400: And I think I picked up a did you mention the program tracker?
00:00.400: a function of what's called stiction, where the platter itself, the the lubrication of the bearing on the platter, is just tired enough that it doesn't want to
00:00.400: Work with this program that I felt wasn't really quite up for prime time at that time.
00:00.400: And I also, you know, I follow Twitter.
00:00.400: And then, you know, compared to Final Cut 10, and I couldn't understand why people wouldn't give it a chance.
00:00.400: And more part of my DNA, so to say, in editing.
00:00.400: What you're talking about, like having that moment where you're like, Yeah, you know, I think I kind of need to learn this, is sort of a common theme.
00:00.400: I think I was tired of the old paradigm, to be honest with you.
00:00.400: Because of time, I did a project once.
00:00.400: Put the footage together, add special effects, add sound effects, do the little crawl.
00:00.400: Smooth sailing.
00:00.400: On, what was it, in the final cut folder?
00:00.400: but it not so much now, is one of the folders in there was my Scratch Disk folder.
00:00.400: with the old version where, oh, geez, I forgot to event manage my project and all of a sudden, you know, there's the competing car dealership or, you know, sitting there, and I'm like, ooh, God, you know, and he gets all upset.
00:00.400: like so far, I'm really happy with what 10.
00:00.400: is going to be awesome.
00:00.400: a structured environment where you might work for many different clients.
00:00.400: and all of the contents of that had been put into this library event.
00:00.400: the little keychain sticks for the T V's to deliver trade show videos.
00:00.400: nudging us along.
00:00.400: That was really that's really nice to see.
00:00.400: A project or a timeline or a sequence, whatever you want to call it.
00:00.400: You know, you and you name it the way it's going to appear online when we post it.
00:00.400: The project it's for, the element in that project or event, if you will, and then the version number.
00:00.400: I mean, I it's easy to follow those things where now I'm back to the project name.
00:00.400: And most of the time, you know, in the past and final cuts at it, and you didn't really do much after that.
00:00.400: much faster.
00:00.400: I'm going to be editing forty-five minute pieces, probably I think six or eight of them.
00:00.400: Job, but the problem is I'm going to have to go with a stock model because getting a custom build is just
00:00.400: That is just amazing.
00:00.480: Working in the final cut world and in the production world, so it's uh it's nice to have a nice Saturday morning.
00:00.480: And enjoyed.
00:00.480: Because of the way it flowed and how easy it went, and what I could do with it in such a short amount of time that when I did go back to seven, I was like, this is antiquated.
00:00.480: Never.
00:00.480: Now, I want to figure out how I'm going to work with it.
00:00.480: Files everywhere, because I found even with the old Final Cut, you know, the way they had it set up, if you really followed Apple's direction, you were supposed to keep your media
00:00.480: that um that uh Apple would that Final Cut would create.
00:00.480: So, I have a folder for my After Effects stuff, my Photoshop stuff, my Illustrator stuff, my music stuff.
00:00.480: 'Cause I am I I'm like you, I'm only updating one machine at a time, and I have three edit systems that I bounce back and forth from.
00:00.480: It's just, you know, there might be a conflict in there.
00:00.480: It's hard.
00:00.480: And there was a lot of consternation where people were just plain bitchy.
00:00.480: how you know what things would open.
00:00.480: And then I had a Final Cut events folder.
00:00.480: adjacent to my work folder, my excuse me, my job folder, and it gave it the exact same name.
00:00.480: Bar none, the least expensive way to store massive, massive amounts of data.
00:00.480: the DVD drive, you know, stopped working.
00:00.480: So, you know, in the past you'd say, okay, well, I'd start at 50% or I'd do a conformed speed where I could stretch it to any speed I wanted, but most of the time I'd just started at 50%
00:00.480: Is you name it the real name.
00:00.480: That spot we did, and I'm like, What year was it?
00:00.480: And it had open on my retina display.
00:00.480: What you've lost in color coding, you've gained in range-based keywording.
00:00.480: Because my philosophy and when people ask me about, well, what should I buy for a computer?
00:00.480: As you have heard on some past episodes, there have been people that started off actually kind of ranting out against me.
00:00.560: specializing in film at the time because video was was still really only for the broadcast stations.
00:00.560: I don't know if you remember the Edge.
00:00.560: Drives that range from one hundred and twenty gigabytes.
00:00.560: Really wanted to jump ship totally.
00:00.560: My grape-flavored Windows logo, which is the library icon.
00:00.560: And then I was like, geez, you know, I don't like this.
00:00.560: Library, the event library, you know, the again the grape, the grape Windows logo.
00:00.560: And I launched it in fun and it opened up fine in Final Cut.
00:00.560: Went to that sparse disk and copied that library file into the job folder.
00:00.560: And then I have to just, you know, archive it off, which I just recently did.
00:00.560: And my project is still fine.
00:00.560: That's when you bust out the eighty dollar D V D burner.
00:00.560: When you I believe when you open the timeline and click on it, you have an option now not to ripple the event.
00:00.560: system to to create slow motion, from what I understand, which is kind of cool.
00:00.560: Where I had a keyword, I literally keyword everything in my timeline that said used so I could find what was unused.
00:00.560: Because I don't necessarily go with the version, but I would go, you know, you'd look at it, and I use the commercial
00:00.560: and this and that.
00:00.560: I just number them up.
00:00.560: Because it really was.
00:00.560: Than the website, to be honest.
00:00.640: Hey, welcome to another episode of the Final Cut Grill, episode 012.
00:00.640: in terms of being excited about sitting down and editing again.
00:00.640: I decided I better find something else to do.
00:00.640: There's a two-part video series where I actually kind of recreated a lecture I had done here in San Francisco where I go through
00:00.640: And by the time I left the Cape, I felt I was up to speed and it was time to start using it regularly.
00:00.640: But that's a whole nother story.
00:00.640: Kidding me?
00:00.640: It's hard when you're doing multiple commercials in that month.
00:00.640: And stuff in January, the December stuff will come in your list after the January stuff.
00:00.640: the drive, the chronology of the drive is really irrelevant.
00:00.640: No, I use keywords all the time.
00:00.640: And just let me know.
00:00.720: And I looked at all the gear and I said, wow, this is great, because I've always been a technology nut, you know?
00:00.720: Then I graduated and started working in the Sony the 900 series and then the 9000 series.
00:00.720: And every once in a while I'll fire him up.
00:00.720: Any PDF document the client might send you in an organized folder, job folder,
00:00.720: a project.
00:00.720: laptop and my retina laptop just gives me incredible performance.
00:00.720: And it's an amazing little machine.
00:00.720: So yeah, I have a bunch of those too.
00:00.720: a a H D playback system, you know, to loop, you know, a a little three minute or two minute or thirty second video, whatever it was.
00:00.720: Oh, range-based keyword.
00:00.720: At least you know you're going to have the best at that time.
00:00.720: And I really don't want to be stuck on my retina display.
00:00.800: implore you to go leave a comment.
00:00.800: So you made it to the 21st century.
00:00.800: Mine was about six months prior to that.
00:00.800: I was editing in compound clips.
00:00.800: Well, I think that makes perfect sense if you think about it.
00:00.800: on my titanium power book when I bought that.
00:00.800: You know, a lot of times you'd put a clip in and you'd want it to be slow motion, and then it would just, you know, a five-second clip adds five more seconds to your
00:00.800: I I forget the the acronym is like ASCII two or something format for delivering a commercial.
00:00.800: I used to store what I called full res versions of the files in the events folder as well, as well as on my Dropbox.
00:00.800: Well the beauty of this disk tracker software that I've talked about many times is
00:00.800: But I could look through drives and see what was there until my database became
00:00.800: It's moments, I will say.
00:00.800: And that I you know, the videos I've seen online, there's one I think posted on FCPCo.
00:00.880: The comments that I'm getting on the iTunes, it's very nice to get those.
00:00.880: Today I'm talking with Mike Savino.
00:00.880: And very very similar story to me.
00:00.880: Even though I played with 10 to begin with and found it to be really almost, you know, I was on board with everybody else.
00:00.880: And so that was the big problem, although projects don't do that now.
00:00.880: I think the corners are slightly less rounded.
00:00.880: But you're talking about a simple computer issue.
00:00.880: I threw and I maxed one out and see how much it would cost.
00:00.960: If you can imagine that, it was basically an offline system.
00:00.960: 0 level, there was a little bit of naivete, I'll say, on Apple's part that they weren't thinking about
00:00.960: There's a whole thing about my folder structure.
00:00.960: Backup things.
00:01.040: You know, Fanoka Ten just be more widely accepted.
00:01.040: Yeah, we're recording this on, what is it, December 21st.
00:01.040: No, you're so right.
00:01.040: A Final Cut Event Folder, and again, if I had used projects, there would be a project folder, but I was not using projects
00:01.040: I can run over.
00:01.040: I hope they don't in the way of the cube, but I don't think it is.
00:01.120: I I can't work with this anymore.
00:01.200: I said, you know what?
00:01.200: And figure this out.
00:01.200: The project library, the event library rather.
00:01.200: The other thing I've noticed is that Fanuka 10.
00:01.200: Right.
00:01.200: And then that's about my two social media places.
00:01.280: Before we go to the interview, I just want to say thanks to all the listeners.
00:01.280: And from that moment on I ran back, I changed my major and uh studied communications.
00:01.280: You know, you're waiting and waiting for it to update so you could see the little itty-bitty icon.
00:01.280: They didn't even start shooting.
00:01.280: I've had that experience with Funup at 10 as well.
00:01.280: I think what I'm going to do that's a good question.
00:01.280: You know, they got rid of my beloved ADB port, so my old 12 by 12 Wacom tablet didn't work on my
00:01.280: Now I used to you know, when I first started out with the hard drive business, I used to name them crazy names, you know, Bubbles and Mama and
00:01.280: I really want that because there are times when I may want to code a section of it color from the other sections.
00:01.280: So I have one I have a stock model lined up with my uh my dealer out in Philadelphia.
00:01.280: Talk to you soon.
00:01.360: And finally, I just couldn't I started using the date I formatted the drive.
00:01.360: Go to the closet, pull the drive.
00:01.360: I can't wait to get the new Mac Pro because it's even going to go that much more faster.
00:01.440: How do I keep it in its format?
00:01.440: I had a different way of managing those drives.
00:01.440: It was definitely something I had to be aware of at all times because I never would know who would walk through the door at the time, even though I would, I'm by appointment only type of thing.
00:01.440: I I really like that.
00:01.520: It was like at six o'clock.
00:01.520: That sounds like a good plan.
00:01.520: But it did get a little iffy and you know he's like, get rid of that project.
00:01.520: Now the step that I did, because I was using the full sparse disk functionality tool trick.
00:01.600: And you know, that was a big what was interesting.
00:01.600: 0 level, and I think I think I'm going to start referring to anything where I say 10.
00:01.600: Two, do you really want to start to still be delivering standard deaf video?
00:01.600: It was kind of bizarre, but there are times when you're just working on a large project and you really don't know what's used and unused.
00:01.600: And here it's a system for coding television commercials established in 1970 and owned and operated by the American of Advertising Agencies.
00:01.600: They took 4K and added like 18 filters to it, and it still played back without dropping frames.
00:01.680: So so about what year is this, Mike?
00:01.680: We used to call it the Edge Cell because it could never create a match frame.
00:01.760: One thing.
00:01.760: I don't know.
00:01.840: And that's going to save a ton of time.
00:01.840: So if it was this one agency, it'd be PA and then RT, which is the furniture store, then it would go to the date, which would be, you know, 1221.
00:01.840: It's actually the ISCI codes, Industry Standard Coding Identification System.
00:01.920: That's what we are.
00:01.920: Absolutely.
00:01.920: Yeah, there there were still things that I w you know, oh, another one, I used to I used to sit there.
00:01.920: The database is currently 168 megabytes.
00:02.000: Second company's got to be Media 100 if you're from Boston.
00:02.000: I'm going to learn this program if it kills me.
00:02.000: But if you think about it, there is a lot of things that Apple has done over the years that we have maybe thought was a little premature, but
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00:02.000: That's small but huge.
00:02.000: But the chronology doesn't matter because you're going to search for a file name and the database is going to come back and say, oh, that's on Archive 63.
00:02.000: She says, want to help you at work?
00:02.000: It was way better having those range-based keywords because it could be a five-minute clip that has a ten-second passage where the guy pans by somebody's dog.
00:02.000: Or if you think I'm the guy, if you're just sitting there thinking, God, man, he should be talking to me, I'm a huge fan.
00:02.000: I can't tell you how much I love it.
00:02.080: And now, with the one-man band, so to say, in terms of production facilities.
00:02.080: 0, 10.
00:02.080: Even though people still go to the website, Facebook seems to be the thing for me.
00:02.160: And it's just it's comforting to find out I'm not the oldest guy on this on this podcast.
00:02.160: Okay, there's the photos he sent me.
00:02.160: The only thing I did notice though, because I've been editing, I have a 2009 Mac Pro and I have my retina
00:02.160: But the beauty of it is you could actually bring projects back from earlier versions of Final Cut and get them to ten if you need to.
00:02.160: And you can bounce files off the internet.
00:02.160: Yeah, it works.
00:02.160: So why is there no D V D burner?
00:02.240: I worked for a couple of PBS stations in town and directed some of those shows where you had a crew of 15 or 20 people.
00:02.240: I wasn't excited.
00:02.320: The VideoCube.
00:02.320: And I wish I could speak more intelligently about the rest of it, but I'm literally just scratching the surface of it at this point.
00:02.320: So, in my sparse disk were three folders.
00:02.320: I would then use the and I have it open here in front of me.
00:02.400: So but that is a concept, or rather it's more now it's more like a metaphor.
00:02.400: I have the job folder.
00:02.400: I want to loop it in my showroom.
00:02.400: 4 megabytes?
00:02.400: I don't even have to drag it into a bin.
00:02.480: And Mike is a great guy.
00:02.480: Um and so when funnel cut 10 comes out in 2011
00:02.480: I don't know.
00:02.560: I was probably there for about eight or nine months after that.
00:02.560: And let's face it, mo you don't work that a pro doesn't work with iPhoto and iTunes.
00:02.560: But in terms of what you're doing, you're probably going back.
00:02.560: But going back to Final Cut, some of the other features, some of the things I wish it would bring back would be color coding of clips.
00:02.640: This guy hates that one.
00:02.720: So if the clip is two seconds, it's now two seconds longer than it should be, let's say, in a thirty second commercial.
00:02.800: So I went back to college and I started to be a medical technologist.
00:02.800: And if you've listened to this show and Digital Cinema Cafe or even Digital Convergence, I know I've spoken about the difference between
00:02.800: And I was like, oh my goodness.
00:02.800: Where am I going to put these files?
00:02.800: I mean, no, it would kind of ripple over the middle.
00:02.800: Here we go.
00:02.800: I probably won't see the light of day.
00:02.880: I did pick up the production suite for Adobe, so I had it and I opened it and I looked at it and I was like, oh, yeah, this is just so yesterday.
00:02.880: What was the thing that made you think I really need to figure this out?
00:02.880: You know, you got the little itty-bitty icon if you wanted to, but then the updating on that was just
00:02.880: Hit do it, engage, if you will, Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
00:02.960: I really wasn't much of a bin user because it just seemed to take more time for me to gather my footage, put it into a bin, named a bin.
00:02.960: Yeah.
00:02.960: Yeah, no, I have no issues.
00:02.960: If you want to get stu done editing, learn Final Cut, the new Final Cut.
00:03.040: I liked it because it was kind of new, non-linear editing, but I never
00:03.040: Well, I know Joe, and I know Tom, and they like coming back to me.
00:03.040: So I use that in a replacement.
00:03.120: They eventually, I think they did develop something to archive.
00:03.120: And I've actually saved drives by laying them on their side or laying them down on a table.
00:03.120: So I did everything.
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00:03.120: 1 then?
00:03.120: Yeah.
00:03.200: Mike is somebody that I met through Anthony Mareschi.
00:03.200: If you have that moment where you say, I'm tired of the past, I want to experience the future.
00:03.200: And I just totally did the opposite.
00:03.200: And my thing is, I've worked with so many different industries that
00:03.200: I don't know if I don't know if you got into that.
00:03.200: 1 launches wicked fast.
00:03.200: Yeah, but how did he g the thing I was looking at his specs and he had you know 64 gig of RAM.
00:03.280: I don't actually, I did not, I was not using the Final Cut projects
00:03.360: That was about 1980, 1980, 83.
00:03.360: What other edit systems have you worked on in your career?
00:03.360: It was a I got a job, it was like a trade show type of video where it was a big Fortune 500 company and they wanted this video done.
00:03.360: Yeah, I totally agree.
00:03.360: I'm not pretty much a stickler.
00:03.360: And he would say, Oh, two thousand seven.
00:03.360: I'm like, no.
00:03.440: Oh, yeah, yeah, of course.
00:03.440: And then you quit it and you launch Final Cut 7 again, right?
00:03.440: I'm not, I'm more of a lurker than I am a poster, but I would follow the Twitter feeds on Final Cut, and, you know, everybody was jumping chip at the time and going over to Premiere.
00:03.440: Because after, you know, I've done thousands of projects over the years
00:03.440: And when I got there, I got there at ten o'clock.
00:03.440: And the projects aren't long.
00:03.520: And, you know, I started editing on the RM440, cuts only.
00:03.520: Really, like maybe they're about six, maybe twelve months ahead of the rest of the world.
00:03.520: You know, there are so taught.
00:03.520: I tell you one of the thi that if you want to get into the the tiniest of improvements, um
00:03.520: I love that.
00:03.600: I believe ten.
00:03.600: I don't like having my volume because a lot of times I'll have clients sit in with me and I really don't want them seeing what I'm working on, to be honest.
00:03.600: And you're right there.
00:03.600: And I'll give it today's date, and I'll put it in the archived.
00:03.600: If you know anybody that should be grilled, by all means, let me know.
00:03.680: Right.
00:03.680: It did it was very quick and it worked well.
00:03.680: And then you submit that to a broadcast station, and basically you're okay.
00:03.680: So that was Mr.
00:03.760: And thankfully, I've only lost one drive in my career.
00:03.760: Inside the job folder is the Chris Fenwick folder structure, which if people know me, they've heard me talk about it a million times.
00:03.760: You have to have backups of your files.
00:03.760: And I'm like, yeah, no, you don't.
00:03.840: I was like, how did I ever work in Final Cut 7?
00:03.840: It certainly is.
00:03.840: You were putting those in the event folder, is that correct?
00:03.840: Now, will it go deep into your folder you know your folder hierarchy to find that library file?
00:03.840: So then I'll fill it up again and take it off.
00:03.840: You know what I'm really excited about is I love the speed ramping.
00:03.840: That's a thing?
00:03.840: I think Peter might be a a well-trusted Apple friend.
00:03.840: It's not going to work.
00:03.840: It's going to bring back the funment, the joy of editing because it really
00:03.920: And that was something that he had lost with previous versions of the software.
00:03.920: I was a guitar player back in the
00:03.920: I think we've both been in this thing about as long.
00:03.920: That's a great tip.
00:03.920: That's what I sort of say to them.
00:03.920: If I find something called sequence two, I'm gonna break your fingers.
00:04.000: I have done projects in ten that I don't think I could have ever done in seven.
00:04.000: Here's the logo.
00:04.000: Old Firewire 400 drives, which you look at and you're like, really?
00:04.000: It just feels better there.
00:04.000: Not that it's bad, believe me, I've done some amazing things on that piece, but I would like a little more horsepower
00:04.000: Hey, Mike, we should wrap this up.
00:04.080: You know?
00:04.080: And, you know, it's just, it it can get pretty ugly.
00:04.080: You know, Apple I'm going to preach here for a little bit.
00:04.080: They don't know what they're talking about.
00:04.160: So i in those days the workflow was and and actually this is a very interesting lead into what we're going to talk about today.
00:04.160: So, what we're talking about here is technology from literally like 95, 96, 97, 98.
00:04.160: I was just sort of, okay, let's, there's another one, let's do it.
00:04.160: Where am I going to put my graphics that are supplied from the client?
00:04.160: Here, I'll turn up the speaker so you can hear me delete it.
00:04.160: And then just the ability there I believe there's a new
00:04.160: You know, if I see what I like while I'm just, you know, you sit there and you just come back from a shoot and you start skimming.
00:04.240: This probably won't get released till early part of next year.
00:04.240: I used to use a program use a program called Folder to List.
00:04.240: I'm going to quit Final Cut and launch it a second time.
00:04.240: So I do like that a lot.
00:04.320: And never stopped playing guitar, but it was just one of those things where I really needed something that I loved.
00:04.320: So I learned every aspect about production back in those days.
00:04.320: And the Ripple guys.
00:04.320: And I think that's a big issue.
00:04.320: But essentially what I did is I just opened up one of my I launched Final Cut 10.
00:04.320: And they when I bought the first iMac D V, whatever it was called, and it didn't have a floppy disk, I thought I was going to have a coronary.
00:04.320: And then there was a whole bunch of, you know, well, I'm going to color code.
00:04.320: Well, hey, yeah, that's now.
00:04.400: The the college picked up a camera and I saved all my pennies and purchased one right off the bat.
00:04.400: It's just going to be there when I click on that keyword called dog.
00:04.480: Welcome.
00:04.480: IMX Video Cube.
00:04.480: And they started shooting around noon and they wrapped at 3.
00:04.480: Actually, I can do an experiment right here because I just have my first work machine at the office here that I've updated.
00:04.480: I have the Le C four terabyte RAID, you know, Thunderbolt I bought with the Retina, and that works great.
00:04.480: I love that, but I have a fear because I used to use Event Manager.
00:04.480: And quite often, just like the color coding versus the range-based keywords, you realize, you go, oh, yeah, that's better.
00:04.560: Right.
00:04.560: So so I think at thi from at this point, I will just when I need to open up a project
00:04.560: One, it's slow if it's just data.
00:04.560: Savino.
00:04.640: 3 I really should commit this stuff to memory.
00:04.640: You know, this all comes through email.
00:04.640: By having a job folder, you have
00:04.640: I had my job folder that I had referenced earlier with all my other assets, including the camera media.
00:04.640: Or I want to do this.
00:04.720: I mean a hundred and yeah, one hundred and twenty gigabytes up to four terabytes sitting on a shelf
00:04.720: I would transfer my projects using, you know, 7 to X.
00:04.720: I really was.
00:04.720: They share render files, which is awesome.
00:04.720: And what that would actually do is extend.
00:04.720: Mine said February, right?
00:04.800: Mike is like me.
00:04.800: It does help the show.
00:04.800: Mike, how are you this morning?
00:04.800: And so we I remember when we used to deliver videos to Apple for their website.
00:04.800: And if he does, I'll I'm going to shoot, you know, shoot for it.
00:04.800: But I'm just concerned that I believe the stock model will be okay, but I can get it.
00:04.880: Oh, absolutely.
00:04.880: And the first real, I would say, nonlinear system, we were the second company in
00:04.880: And they disreleased a major update.
00:04.880: Yeah.
00:04.880: 1 is done in this regard.
00:04.880: It is.
00:04.880: I think I think they're they're making a point.
00:04.880: I do have a website, mikesevino.
00:04.880: And I I want to concur that I felt the same way when I started using Funnel Cut, and I got over
00:04.960: Because if you, and then eventually you're going to just wipe the iMix, the cube, or later the sphere.
00:04.960: And I think it was up to it was a couple summers, two, yeah, maybe about two years, two summers ago.
00:04.960: I caped, I made project folders for each project because
00:04.960: And I think we've there's been a lot of people that have complained about this very publicly.
00:04.960: I just don't understand that.
00:04.960: That's something to worry about.
00:04.960: I don't.
00:05.040: And it's very important that people understand the difference between those three th concepts.
00:05.040: I am right now of the I have probably ooh about a hundred
00:05.040: I had less than three hours to ingest the footage, put it together, and it was like a Star Wars spin-off.
00:05.040: I go, don't worry about it.
00:05.040: No, I didn't do that much, but uh you know talking with colleagues, some of them used it, some of them didn't.
00:05.040: You know, there are certain things like I don't know why Apple doesn't release the DVD Studio Pro as a self-standing program.
00:05.120: That is a great tip.
00:05.120: So you were saying this morning that your typical workflow would be to
00:05.120: So now I have a tidy system where I can go back to having multiple jobs on one drive.
00:05.120: I'm really like a Nazi about file naming conventions.
00:05.200: So you'd put your footage in and you cut your commercial or your program or whatever you were doing, and then it was like, what do I do with this stuff?
00:05.200: And that's where I'm at right now.
00:05.200: Okay, so now we're at 10.
00:05.200: So then what I did is I quit Final Cut, I
00:05.200: I always say buy the most computer that you can afford at the time.
00:05.200: And you know, you might not be able to tax it out at $1,958.
00:05.280: And it's, I'm already seeing it.
00:05.280: Of course, if you want a backup, you need to do it twice and put one copy in one location and one in another location.
00:05.280: And so happy of the month, you know, and now I could narrow it down and then go to my little
00:05.280: And they're going to put me in a hotel room, you know.
00:05.280: I doubt it.
00:05.360: Now, there is an additional dialogue box that pops up that's kind of interesting.
00:05.360: I I find the that just the the fluidity, even of the timeline
00:05.360: Most of them are commercials or little trade show videos.
00:05.360: I will take offense to their month month before year.
00:05.360: But I will tell you, Disk Tracker is such a fast tool.
00:05.360: So, thanks for listening, and we will do another one any day now.
00:05.440: And I think I still have that somewhere.
00:05.440: It's been an exciting trip.
00:05.440: They said, Why don't you come at ten o'clock?
00:05.440: I agree.
00:05.440: But one of the big improvements
00:05.440: No, it's hard when you have stuff in December.
00:05.440: And I was I want the new Mac Pro
00:05.440: If people want to follow you and find you on the Internet, how do they do that?
00:05.520: I strongly
00:05.520: Well, no, it was actually called the Video Cube.
00:05.520: You're like, it's too different.
00:05.600: He's an old dude, and he's been through all of the
00:05.600: Is it disk tracker?
00:05.600: I mean, I wasn't excited when projects would come into editing.
00:05.600: And I was like, oh, geez, I don't want that, you know.
00:05.600: I did notice that it looks like the event browser, the
00:05.600: You want to do something where you don't have a heart attack in the night because your drive isn't mounted.
00:05.600: Mike, thank you so much for being on the show, and it was great to hear.
00:05.680: I'm again continually overwhelmed at the
00:05.680: And I could work that way.
00:05.680: I would use the under the file menu at near the bottom it says update project and events.
00:05.760: Yes, it had the real-time effects, and it was actually real-time.
00:05.760: It's one of those things where I would have to bring the clip back in if I wanted to do something.
00:05.760: And then that stupid project window, it wouldn't show at all.
00:05.840: It was amazing.
00:05.840: Or I want to loop it in my show.
00:05.840: I'm loving this final cut.
00:05.920: You're absolutely right.
00:05.920: So if you if you look
00:05.920: I am going to read that and you'll dig it because it basically walks you through
00:05.920: I I use Dropbox for most of my deliveries, but every once in a you know, like for example, I'll have the
00:05.920: I've used it on various machines and it works.
00:05.920: I always tell the editors that work for us: the sequence
00:06.000: So my thinking that I'm going to do and I just I just
00:06.000: 0, I mean 10.
00:06.000: Sure.
00:06.000: And the first thing you do is like, oh, I got to go buy that $80 CD burner external USB thing.
00:06.000: It would show you the beginning, and then it would have dot dot dot and then the end.
00:06.080: You've been working essentially the same way that I have for many years, and I've.
00:06.080: I don't even want to look at him.
00:06.080: Right.
00:06.080: I'm done having that conversation.
00:06.160: Today we have a guest on the show, and we, the big, the big, the big we.
00:06.160: And um so I started you know, I I picked up uh I had my I think I just bought a the Retina display Mac.
00:06.160: Exactly.
00:06.160: Like, you know, I can't believe Apple's abandoning the pros, et cetera, et cetera.
00:06.160: I'm going to guess.
00:06.160: How do I stop this?
00:06.240: It helps the show get noticed by other people.
00:06.240: It actually brought back the excitement for me in editing.
00:06.240: You know, if you get, if you have that moment, you know, yours was on the cape.
00:06.240: Well, I had no choice because it was, like I said, it was a five minute spoof on the Star Wars and I could hear the crowd applauding in the next room.
00:06.240: Right.
00:06.240: Yeah.
00:06.240: Yeah, now it's February.
00:06.320: I'm doing very well, thank you.
00:06.320: And when I double-click on that, my Final Cut 10 will launch.
00:06.320: It just has to have a unique name.
00:06.320: Yeah.
00:06.400: I mean, we can get to this later, but I mean, I have a whole tutorial on my website.
00:06.400: And I kept reading about it and seeing some of the updates came through.
00:06.400: And in there in there was all the stuff that um all the three folders, the audio renders, the the renders and the capture scratch.
00:06.400: I think I do know where it is.
00:06.480: And Anthony was on another episode.
00:06.480: Yeah, they're awesome.
00:06.480: Yeah, because when you work on a project
00:06.640: Well, you know, there I mean I uh
00:06.640: It deposited the
00:06.640: Right.
00:06.640: Do you just replace it with a USB one?
00:06.640: You know, they just you know, they they're just amazing nowadays what's going on.
00:06.640: It looks a little bit cleaner to me for some reason.
00:06.640: Talk to me about this.
00:06.640: And that's when I was in trouble
00:06.720: So, when did you first touch Final Cut 10?
00:06.720: So I just kept using it and using it, and it became more familiar.
00:06.720: You can set yourself up.
00:06.720: So for example, if I was using one of my vendors of a furniture store, it would be, you know,
00:06.800: I believe ten three gave us multicam.
00:06.800: So, what I would do is save these elements to the event folder.
00:06.800: It does.
00:06.800: Yeah.
00:06.800: And so you realize that, yeah, I guess I don't need a floppy disk.
00:06.800: You're basically doing the same thing.
00:06.800: So if I bought a drive today and formatted, it would have today's date.
00:06.880: Yeah.
00:06.880: Oh, goodness.
00:06.880: So that, I don't know.
00:06.880: 1.
00:06.880: I made the mistake of not doing it manually, so I just let it do it automatically.
00:06.880: So we na and everything has the client's name in it.
00:06.880: Hit me up on the little Twitter thing.
00:06.960: Uh
00:06.960: And then
00:06.960: And then I stayed on 7 for.
00:06.960: I'm just going to guess because you sound like me.
00:06.960: No, you don't.
00:06.960: com, but I find social media to be a little bit m better for communicating.
00:07.040: Some of the stuff we started saying in the first episodes.
00:07.040: I'll be honest with you, Chris.
00:07.040: But
00:07.040: I've done that too.
00:07.040: So my two second clip will now be still two seconds, but 50% slower.
00:07.040: Right.
00:07.040: It's going to be incredible.
00:07.120: Let me ask you this.
00:07.120: Just go buy a hard drive.
00:07.120: I couldn't tell you how long one day I sat because I had this really big project.
00:07.120: There was a bunch of programs out there that were doing that.
00:07.120: I wish people would really take a hard look at it.
00:07.120: Very cool.
00:07.120: And I was like, hey, let's be on the you know, come be on the show.
00:07.200: But why don't you tell people the a little bit of your history, the type of work you do, how long you've been doing this, et cetera.
00:07.200: And just get yourself a free Vimeo account, or actually, maybe you have to have Vimeo Pro.
00:07.280: So you're an old guy like me.
00:07.280: So basically, what you're saying.
00:07.280: It's again, let me think, what did I say it was?
00:07.280: You're not going to, there's really no conflict because I do the best work for you as well as I would do for Tom, you know?
00:07.280: Now it may have gone faster because I didn't have any real media in that event.
00:07.280: I do not necessarily import into the event.
00:07.360: So when I did get back to his project or to even begin his project.
00:07.360: Oh, yeah, no, I've done big jobs on successive days for competitors.
00:07.360: So it makes it even higher quality.
00:07.360: And this short commercial break, I'm sorry.
00:07.440: Um, so at any rate, uh, today is Mike Savino, and let's go to the interview.
00:07.440: Um I've worked on a videotech system.
00:07.440: Disk tracker.
00:07.440: I think it may have been, you may have to help me with this.
00:07.440: You could see the library, but it's grayed out.
00:07.440: So, and I used to run into that with Final
00:07.440: You know, although actually
00:07.440: So all of a sudden, your hard drive starts filling up unnecessarily so.
00:07.440: Really?
00:07.440: You know, you might have some clients that still want D V D's.
00:07.440: I th this is interesting to me.
00:07.440: Which is, yes, you're absolutely right.
00:07.440: No, you're absolutely.
00:07.440: That is the beauty of Final Cut, though.
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00:07.440: I don't know how that worked out.
00:07.440: I mean, I think people underestimated how popular these were going to be.
00:07.440: Let me know.
00:07.520: I couldn't understand it.
00:07.520: And now, with the new library system.
00:07.520: All my events in the library, and then I had that one file that had all the projects in it.
00:07.520: I have the same one.
00:07.520: Because if I do, it's going to goof up my audio that I just laid in.
00:07.520: And there's a there I have a little piece of paper that's glued on to
00:07.520: And within the project name, I mean, even in the event
00:07.520: I find myself
00:07.600: And to be honest with you, I didn't, well.
00:07.600: They're awesome.
00:07.600: 0.
00:07.600: Well, I still have some clients that want to see DVDs.
00:07.600: And um I'm
00:07.680: If you can get over that learning wall really quickly, it's like beautiful
00:07.680: No, you really don't.
00:07.760: But yeah, it's nice to unwind a little bit.
00:07.760: We'll have the footage shot
00:07.760: And I think that this library folder structure
00:07.760: Right.
00:07.760: That's why I'd much rather do what we're doing today, talk to pros that have been.
00:07.840: It's kind of funny, we've gone full circle, haven't we?
00:07.840: I use these?
00:07.840: Isn't it odd?
00:07.920: We worked on well, I've worked on many.
00:07.920: But what it what it had done is that there was a
00:07.920: Uh
00:07.920: And we do that.
00:07.920: Well, Mike Savino, you've been grilled.
00:08.000: So at any rate, I'd have those
00:08.000: Apple has for a long time held our hand on this journey through the technological future.
00:08.000: You just sort of in your brain said, Okay, yeah, that's a nice shot.
00:08.000: I'm just going to ask you, are you going to upgrade your Mac Pro?
00:08.000: And then my next one will be my custom
00:08.080: So you started at the 440, RM440.
00:08.160: 1 through 10.
00:08.160: I've done that.
00:08.240: And you take those three things.
00:08.240: And what is this naming convention?
00:08.240: You know, that's what I always tell them.
00:08.320: It wasn't so consumerized.
00:08.320: I actually
00:08.320: They really helped propel, I think, Final Cut.
00:08.320: He had the the
00:08.400: If somebody can come up with a
00:08.400: And there was really not a good way.
00:08.400: It just, I was getting tired of it, I think, at the time.
00:08.400: I was like, oh, geez, what did I just do?
00:08.400: ISCSI.
00:08.400: It is amazing because, like I said, I did play with it after hearing it, after hearing you speak about it.
00:08.480: Wrapped up a busy week.
00:08.480: Right.
00:08.480: My unique name is I just number them.
00:08.480: You know, I have.
00:08.560: Yeah.
00:08.560: We actually have our own custom proprietary
00:08.640: He was on episode.
00:08.640: And so I started, you know, I started sharing the projects with the appropriate event.
00:08.640: If you go for it, if you live in California.
00:08.720: And I thought that would be a great way.
00:08.720: I was just, okay, let's
00:08.720: 1.
00:08.720: That shot of the balloon taking off, I really want to see that in slow motion.
00:08.720: As a matter of fact, I'm going to do it while we're talking here.
00:08.800: And I actually bought some of their training um after I came back from the Cape just to to really
00:08.800: And then sitting right there is my little purple
00:08.800: I mean, you kind of feel like a tool for saying some of that stuff.
00:08.800: Take the time and go.
00:08.880: Oh, yeah, no, we're not old, we're just seasoned.
00:08.880: Here's a little known fact.
00:08.880: I first touched Final Cut 10 when it first came out.
00:08.880: And then, you know, I had these legacy projects I would go back to because they were created in 7.
00:08.880: This is awful, you know, at the first play.
00:08.880: Well, don't forget though.
00:08.880: I am at Chris Fenwick.
00:08.960: 0.
00:08.960: And let me say, I did it for the very first time while you were talking.
00:08.960: So the version number is always at the end.
00:08.960: But you have an organized way that you do things.
00:09.040: And ultimately, that just makes the
00:09.040: I don't know if you ever got into that.
00:09.040: You know, that was the thing.
00:09.120: We had half-inch and three-quarter-inch systems.
00:09.120: And it really it made me a well rounded producer because I
00:09.120: I've heard a lot of people say that.
00:09.120: And that's where, you know, you can.
00:09.120: Right.
00:09.280: Pretty amazing.
00:09.360: Okay, so now on my sparse disk, I have one thing.
00:09.360: My Dropbox is huge.
00:09.440: But now with uh uh uh one of the the button clicks on the speed
00:09.520: 9.
00:09.520: Actually, while we have been talking on this show, I've actually updated
00:09.520: It does do that.
00:09.600: Is it less expensive?
00:09.600: There are so many things like that.
00:09.680: I think it was like 10.
00:09.680: Today's December 21st, so it came out two days ago.
00:09.680: Some of the other features I like is
00:09.680: And now, just having that little click on the menu
00:09.680: And it drove me crazy.
00:09.680: Yeah.
00:09.760: I was thrilled to go back and do a project.
00:09.760: Right.
00:09.760: Teach your daughter how to do it.
00:09.840: I still use it.
00:09.840: Thanks for doing this.
00:09.920: Eventually, hard drives.
00:09.920: A lot of times when an old drive doesn't spin up, it's really
00:09.920: Right now I've been using
00:10.000: My uh one of my Mac Pros
00:10.080: I want to really bring that passion back to the
00:10.160: So I was now, oh goodness, what am I going to do now?
00:10.160: You know, I really do think
00:10.160: I believe it's called the ASCII IIASC2.
00:10.240: If you go to chrisfunrick.
00:10.240: I'm like, wait.
00:10.240: Another episode.
00:10.320: And I tried to write a smart compound clip.
00:10.320: Yeah, that's Peter Wiggins.
00:10.400: But
00:10.400: And they're kind of
00:10.400: And to me, when you create
00:10.400: Because two weeks from now, it's going to be old.
00:10.560: From running around with a VHS camcorder slung over our own shoulder to working in big.
00:10.560: 3.
00:10.560: I understand.
00:10.560: I just I just created number you know archive number one seventeen the other day.
00:10.640: I can meet some nurses and, you know.
00:10.640: The Grass Valley Edge
00:10.640: Of course not.
00:10.640: And then adjacent, and then also in there is the
00:10.640: Before we had a, you know, rent a
00:10.720: It was sort of a proprietary system that did some A B rolling.
00:10.720: It made me write, it made me produce the piece.
00:10.720: Right, right, right.
00:10.720: Well, I don't know if I'll be using it anymore.
00:10.720: Feel free to follow me there if you don't already.
00:10.800: You select that guy, navigate to that
00:10.800: But it's come a long way.
00:10.800: You just have to, it's not.
00:10.800: I tell you, you're going to like
00:10.800: And it works in two ways.
00:10.800: I think I
00:10.880: I didn't want to um I I kind of liked the project.
00:10.880: I think a lot more people will at this point.
00:10.960: And if you don't know what an RM440 is, people.
00:10.960: Oh, absolutely.
00:10.960: Well, you can follow me on Facebook.
00:11.040: Yes, it is, but
00:11.120: I'm going to reach into the server that has the
00:11.200: We did that and that was the easiest way to manage
00:11.200: There are so many little tools and things.
00:11.200: Later, later.
00:11.280: Right.
00:11.280: Yeah, like I said, there was the bin system, but
00:11.280: So I have
00:11.360: Fills up quick.
00:11.360: That is the beauty of it.
00:11.360: And a D V D but but literally?
00:11.440: I really was.
00:11.520: com/slash data.
00:11.520: But I do I'm feeling
00:11.600: You're just going to wipe that hard drive.
00:11.600: That doesn't make any sense.
00:11.680: I have a job coming up.
00:11.760: Are you going to have to open it from within Final Cut?
00:11.760: So I would know he's coming.
00:11.760: ISCI codes.
00:11.760: And I think that.
00:11.760: You know what I mean?
00:12.240: He walked out of the.
00:12.400: You totally can.
00:12.400: You know, if a client called me up and said,
00:12.800: And I don't want to have
00:12.800: I'm going to go
00:13.040: How did you get started in this business?
00:13.120: And I went, I used Premiere way back in the day.
00:13.360: Exactly.
00:13.360: So.
00:13.680: And.
00:13.840: So don't.