Episode 11
FCG011 - Affordable, Desirable, Admirable (feat. Ron Dawson)
The origin of FCPX Grill can be traced back to a discussion that Ron Dawson of Dare Dreamer Mag and I had in late 2013. I called him up and asked HIM if he’d have me on HIS podcast, Crossing the 180. From that discussion I decided that I really enjoyed talking about Final Cut Pro X and so a show was born. Although this episode was recorded before the release of 10.1 there is a lot of good content here, Enjoy.
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Featuring
- Chris Fenwick
- Ron Dawson - @daredreamermag
Transcription
00:00.001: Of things that we wanted.
00:00.080: I knew and only comes out.
00:00.160: Five-minute diatribe about how professionals need multicam, and now Fanofa 10 has the best multicam out there.
00:00.160: Ten point naught.
00:00.160: and they turned them all down.
00:00.160: Or coming from people, yeah.
00:00.160: You know, one of the big complaints that people have had both two years ago when I was on Matcast and even today is that Final Cut 10 does not work well in a collaborative work environment.
00:00.160: as you can give it.
00:00.160: Yeah, no, that's a great point.
00:00.160: Yeah.
00:00.160: That didn't have major issues.
00:00.160: Deleting Final Cut 7 and go and starting on whatever it was, September or the July 22nd, 2000
00:00.160: Where I don't even you know, I don't even think about it.
00:00.160: But let's think about guess go to that blog post that kind of started this conversation.
00:00.160: That's an example of how, like, an immediate update could have messed up a lot of people's stuff because of the fact that Apple changed the way compound clips work.
00:00.160: Not yet.
00:00.160: It's quite interesting.
00:00.160: And then there was I don't remember what version it was, or what I don't know if it was iMovie 09 or 8, where it made the switch to
00:00.160: Creating a new project every time I want an iteration and make control cut take longer to load, and so
00:00.160: So if you remember in Final Tech Classic, you could set it so that it would save your project every X number of minutes, however you want it, right?
00:00.160: Unless you actually are using Time Machine or something like that.
00:00.160: Can do the same thing, but I have the pro version, which is like 20 bucks, and allows you to basically pick whichever files you want to back up, pick whichever destination you want to back them up to.
00:00.160: So like, uh so it's I remember one morning I woke up and I got a note that my Dropbox was full and it had been
00:00.160: to the Lessee.
00:00.160: We still there's still a few workarounds we have to do to make it work perfectly in terms of backing up.
00:00.160: I know as Apple continues to update it, it'll just be that much better.
00:00.160: Oh yeah?
00:00.160: So why am I talking about Britney Spears and Christianity?
00:00.160: You know, to really give you what you want and need, you know, this is what we're going to do.
00:00.160: Yeah, absolutely.
00:00.160: Clip works exactly like it does in another clip, in any other clip, or a synchronized clip.
00:00.240: So this is an interesting relationship that you and I have developed here.
00:00.240: I think that that episode, which I think is a couple of episodes on your on your feed, was yeah, it was sort of the genesis for me wanting to do this because that happened like in I wanna say like early October or something maybe it was August.
00:00.240: Turn away from it, turn away from it for the right reasons, not the wrong reasons.
00:00.240: six months or more to get kind of switched on, if you will.
00:00.240: It's almost like they're turning on a feature and then saying, Yes, you may use this one now.
00:00.240: And not just, ha ha ha ha ha, we are withholding wonderful features from you.
00:00.240: But they were talking about how they shot this documentary over about a two-year period.
00:00.240: So they were smart.
00:00.240: And so, you know, they've they've built up their tribe of followers who in the indie game market, you're like if you're into gaming, you know, you're big.
00:00.240: are going to be cutting on Final Cut 10 because they're getting Max and that's what they like using.
00:00.240: Absolutely.
00:00.240: you know doing a transcode to proxy because it's going to work better so i i will sure i will say that and and i'm gonna i'm gonna fight you a little bit on your mech prices
00:00.240: Oh, yeah, yeah, I totally agree.
00:00.240: It was well over a year before I made the switch.
00:00.240: 10.
00:00.240: any mission critical software as soon as a new one comes out.
00:00.240: And I was on the ledge to make the leap when I heard that episode of you talking about using it for that mini Cooper tour that you did.
00:00.240: Yeah, it would be really interesting to have been a fly on the wall in the office or in the in the room where the decision was made to
00:00.240: and making smart decisions as to the kind of investments you should make at any particular given moment.
00:00.240: Oh, it probably had to be.
00:00.240: Is 180 degrees from yours.
00:00.240: you're making a wrong decision, but I will tell you this, you could probably relax a little.
00:00.240: then you have counted as to whether or not your immediate upgrades, like how it really affected you.
00:00.240: Like you, like you're just casually saying, Are you calling me a liar?
00:00.240: But here's the thing though.
00:00.240: Ron Dawson cares about his clients and his professional, Chris Fenwick, is crazy.
00:00.240: I mean, the fact that they separate it and calling it projects.
00:00.240: Yeah.
00:00.240: Is much the same way that iMovie, and actually, I think, what is it?
00:00.240: Mess around with it.
00:00.240: So I'll do all the iterations and compound clips.
00:00.240: And so I said, Oh, this sounds interesting.
00:00.240: The you know, you can look at the settings of, you know, you can go to the info window, you can click on for any particular media, and you can get the details about that particular media.
00:00.240: And I saw, oh, look at this, you can actually change the settings and the parameters of a compound clip.
00:00.240: And then, as I was working on it, I realized that, oh, when you duplicate a compound clip, it doesn't duplicate the render media like it does when you duplicate a project.
00:00.240: Once I started doing the compound clip thing, I just never I just never turned back.
00:00.240: And a lot of people don't know this yet.
00:00.240: All new jobs start in Final Cut 10 now.
00:00.240: So one of the things that we discovered, we were doing a bunch of stuff for a client a few months ago, and we had a whole bunch of timelines that we had to do.
00:00.240: I could then select all copy and paste it into a compound clip on my end, and then I would move on and go and and frankly I wouldn't I didn't need to do that, but I chose to do it because I wanted to keep it all in
00:00.240: Being able to go back in time to pass versions if I need to, which I haven't had to yet.
00:00.240: So being able to go to past version.
00:00.240: As far as I can tell, there's no, like, once you quit and you come back in, there's no way to go back to some type of past.
00:00.240: I will turn on get backup and then I'll create a backup project for just that fcp.
00:00.240: If my computer crashes, I still have that file online on Dropbox.
00:00.240: Backing up every 15 minutes for the whole weekend when you were gone?
00:00.240: online somewhere outside of the event folder just in case something happens and crashes and I need to get a previous backup.
00:00.240: And it is basically the same thing.
00:00.240: But if you if you take a look, it's called Backups for Final Cut Pro.
00:00.240: Oh, wow, that's great.
00:00.240: Backups for Final Cut Pro actually is designed for Final Cut.
00:00.240: And for someone who has 11 years experience professionally anyway, I had a hard drive crash that I had not backed up.
00:00.240: Luckily, I had the media backed up, just not the project itself.
00:00.240: But on the first episode, he went into his backup strategy that he uses in his home studio.
00:00.240: He was actually in our seven in seven inaugural week.
00:00.240: Well that's good stuff.
00:00.240: In Final Cut 10, 10.
00:00.240: I think it's really hard for a company the size of Apple to say, yeah, we made a mistake.
00:00.240: And I was like, wow, that is so amazing to hear one performer say that about somebody else, you know, and to basically say, yeah, you know, my voice is okay.
00:00.240: You know, let me look at this.
00:00.240: Guglielmo.
00:00.240: And I said, and yet?
00:00.240: what it means to touch twenty terabytes of data a day.
00:00.240: Oh, well, it's so funny you say this.
00:00.240: Um if you go to my blog, I'll still be blogging, daredreamermag.
00:00.240: So, if you're not listening to Digital Cinema Cafe, you should be listening to that.
00:00.240: And I also want to mention, I believe it is December 25th, fcpwork.
00:00.240: what Alex and I are referring to as the DCC network.
00:00.320: Now, there is some discussion about the compound clips and the things like that that we used to really rely on in Final Cut 10.
00:00.320: Oh wow, he's there.
00:00.320: Yeah, yeah, it was.
00:00.320: And I was just like, God, I feel like talking about Valka 10.
00:00.320: Yeah, yeah.
00:00.320: disinformation and like flip-flop information just you know just last night in you know kind of researching this whole
00:00.320: worked for a couple of software companies, Intuit for a couple of years, the makers of Quicken and then for a small company in Burbank.
00:00.320: And particularly in that company where it was closer to the software production process, we'd come out with an update like
00:00.320: every two years, if we were lucky.
00:00.320: But it truly, the first two years were quite astounding in terms of the the releases.
00:00.320: It's a it's they shut the whole thing on 5D Mark IIs.
00:00.320: power to be their own studio.
00:00.320: And so when you look at these kind of companies and these kind of artists going the route of being able to produce their own content, and when you consider that the people who are going to be making the next generation of filmmakers
00:00.320: And those are all going to be using Fonica 10.
00:00.320: And Final Cut 10 I mean even the fact which I don't use, I don't like this feature, but the fact that you can post directly to YouTube or Vimeo from within Final Cut, I mean those kind of things and the way it's designed
00:00.320: Right.
00:00.320: This $300 gets you what one could argue is one of the most powerful NLEs
00:00.320: Out in terms of what it can do in terms of the type of media it can handle.
00:00.320: thousands and thousands of dollars.
00:00.320: Right, right.
00:00.320: Even Sam Mestman, who was on episode four, even he said, 4K raw, no, you're smarter o you're better off.
00:00.320: you know, particularly in this industry, creatives are so excited about getting the latest, newest, coolest thing that they jump right on.
00:00.320: You have to make smart decisions, okay?
00:00.320: a fly on the wall in that room and heard how you know all of this was was you know decided.
00:00.320: And nowadays, it just it doesn't seem like it is that well, I will say it is not that precarious.
00:00.320: Computer technology is fallible.
00:00.320: are sort of like maxims.
00:00.320: I saw so many complaints on Facebook and the Facebook forum saying, you know, I've people talking about losing their work or people talking about losing so many hours because it doesn't do multicam or things they are expecting it to do.
00:00.320: Then it got updated, and then you changed the compound clip in Project B and then Project A and every other project that you use it in is now changed.
00:00.320: Stop doing this to me.
00:00.320: I mean they make productions for I mean they cut trailers for television shows they do major commercial work and they are talking about how they use compound clips
00:00.320: And then I realized if you have two events open, you could have media from one event used in the project for another job.
00:00.320: So if you have two events open, you can share media between different projects.
00:00.320: It was very cool, very, very cool.
00:00.320: the render files is probably the biggest thing.
00:00.320: You know, we have five edit systems here at Slice where I work, and we've been doing
00:00.320: And I was doing the finishing in another room.
00:00.320: Not ideal, but very doable.
00:00.320: I would have access to her rough cut because it would be referencing the media on my machine.
00:00.320: impressive than what anybody else is doing.
00:00.320: what I think is kind of a janky way of doing versioning.
00:00.320: And it solves the problem of backing up your files or reverting to older versions.
00:00.320: And as you know with Final Cut 10, there is no save feature.
00:00.320: backing up your database file because sometimes because it is a database file and sometimes things happen and it can get corrupted and
00:00.320: For whatever reason, get to a previous version, I can do that.
00:00.320: So essentially, I'm using that as a way of being able to one back up my database file to something that gets uploaded so that
00:00.320: an application called Backups for Final Cut 10, I think it is.
00:00.320: We have the same power backup thing.
00:00.320: And at the very least, we are doing what I call um caveman back up.
00:00.320: Some either the separating the audio.
00:00.320: It's so many times where that's happened, and you have to hit should have to go up to the original place in the event, and then that's a pain.
00:00.320: But it was really interesting because she said the interviewer said something like, Do you think you have a good voice?
00:00.320: Is it ready for pros?
00:00.320: every practice and every game.
00:00.320: Yeah, there's so many other things I want to do, and there's only so much time.
00:00.320: And just shoot me a little message and I'll get back to you.
00:00.320: Yeah, well, it's my pleasure.
00:00.320: Works.
00:00.400: I want to give you a little bit of a disclaimer.
00:00.400: to participate.
00:00.400: for other reasons, maybe valid or not valid, they have turned away from it and you're trying to show them the truth.
00:00.400: Phenomenon that is Final Cut 10.
00:00.400: And what was interesting is I listened to myself on that, and I'm like, oh my goodness, I am such, you know, I could never be a politician because I would just be labeled as, you know, the flip-flopper.
00:00.400: Because some of the stuff I'm saying today is completely contrary to what I said then.
00:00.400: Yeah, I mean absolutely and I mean and the program has changed a lot since that is true I mean I mean we went off on a or Richard actually went off on a you know
00:00.400: Pretty decent updates, and one could argue they were just putting back stuff they maybe shouldn't have taken out or whatnot.
00:00.400: than they would have made had they sold it to somebody.
00:00.400: who are more interested in telling stories than geeking out over the latest cyber channel sans.
00:00.400: that you know were I think you know reasonable to expect it to do it wasn't doing and it's that kind of thing so yeah I think I think that uh well clearly that the switch between seven and ten wasn't just a Chris Fenwick downloading
00:00.400: for compound clips in lieu of projects.
00:00.400: iMovie and start a job.
00:00.400: Kind of like the look it has now, which is kind of similar to Final Cut, versus the way it used to look.
00:00.400: They had that one switch, that one button, and when you sw flicked it, it took the bin and the timeline and swapped it.
00:00.400: to edit all the versions and then they drop it in a project when it's final.
00:00.400: You know, he sees hinting at a collaborative work environment in Final Cut 10.
00:00.400: And so just that one file.
00:00.400: Right.
00:00.400: all the media or just the events, and you get to pick the um the interval, the time interval.
00:00.400: 12 terabyte R6, you know, Pegasus RAID on each one
00:00.400: These, it's called a Le C big disc.
00:00.400: But it is something.
00:00.400: At the end of the night, I open up my raid, or the end of the day, rather.
00:00.400: That's so many times I went to the bottom.
00:00.400: But I noticed that either working with sync renice clips or multicam clips
00:00.400: But I do I get the feeling that there is going to be some some radical changes that way.
00:00.400: Very powerful application, tons of capability, very accessible.
00:00.400: And we think that we have a better way of doing it to make it easier for everybody, whatever.
00:00.400: in the big the big environment.
00:00.400: Uh the um the one thing is that the uh the multicam clips now are fully um all the audio in a multicam
00:00.480: And now here we are kind of full circle.
00:00.480: And you can kind of glaze over that.
00:00.480: But keep that in mind.
00:00.480: Today we have Ron Dawson on the show.
00:00.480: the new versions and the things that they were quote unquote fixing or putting back.
00:00.480: is a factor of Apple you know, that they've built the basic ship and they're, you know, I don't know if they're if they're
00:00.480: Releasing them slowly to entice us.
00:00.480: Used to cost God knows how much money to do the kind of things you're doing now for a quarter or less of the price.
00:00.480: That includes your NLA if that's a key part of your business.
00:00.480: After the event, when they decide to release the vault.
00:00.480: But I mean each person has to kind of like and and remember like when Final Kit 10 came out and all these people jumped immediately on it and
00:00.480: A library file, and you'll be able to make a library file for every one of your jobs.
00:00.480: Technique.
00:00.480: Copy render files, yes or no?
00:00.480: And as she would do that, she would send this and she would do it without the render files.
00:00.480: And this is another topic we probably won't get into today.
00:00.480: copy like for instance, if you're using like the compound clip process in lieu of projects, why not just copy the .
00:00.480: And there's a feature in the Pro version called versioning where it will save, as the name suggests, different versions of each backup.
00:00.480: And you're not using Time Machine, that's a great method.
00:00.480: Whenever I'm working on a project.
00:00.480: So well thought out about.
00:00.480: He's it was it's called the three O's of data.
00:00.480: His name is Topher Martini.
00:00.480: You definitely got to do something.
00:00.480: Make compound clips the way that you do a job.
00:00.480: We made a mistake and we're going to change this.
00:00.480: Yeah, I don't think it's going to be quite like that, but but I think it will be.
00:00.480: unfortunately for those software makers, kind of puts that stuff to shame, or not to shame.
00:00.480: That might be something that you want to check into.
00:00.560: Where we were all realizing, yep, yep, we got screwed by Apple.
00:00.560: You know, there was, I think all three of us kind of had the same thought: well, this will be okay for some people, but you know, professionals are basically screwed.
00:00.560: I think they kind of prove that they are definitely in this for the long haul.
00:00.560: Who are going to be up with, you know, they're going to be up with podcasting and RSS feeds, and they're going to be able to do that kind of stuff in their sleep.
00:00.560: The sort of long, slow death, if you will, of the environment where you do
00:00.560: And you have a feature set that is admirable.
00:00.560: You know, when like this stuff barely worked, it's like, oh, don't look at yet, do you remember the era when people wouldn't attach their edit system to the Internet?
00:00.560: I've been meaning to go to this website after listening to your episode.
00:00.560: It uses all the same render files.
00:00.560: And it was like, this is genius.
00:00.560: Not a lot of time to do it.
00:00.560: To your machine.
00:00.560: Now the one thing about that, if we turn on that versioning feature, and if you leave Get Backup On, it'll continue backing up.
00:00.560: you know, personal projects that I was working on.
00:00.560: So that's it for this episode.
00:00.560: Subscribe in iTunes.
00:00.640: I think we're passionate about it because of the fact that it's almost like when you're excited about something and there are a lot of people who like don't understand it or don't know it or
00:00.640: Really extreme power.
00:00.640: Yeah, I know that feeling, and that's that's like kind of it sort of felt old-fashioned to me.
00:00.640: I have only had a couple of inconveniences, like, oh, I guess I got to go find a new Black Magic driver.
00:00.640: You know?
00:00.640: you can have the option to not duplicate render, but then you have to re-render it.
00:00.640: You know, projects and events, and you could manipulate compound clips the same way you could do projects.
00:00.640: And we set up a folder on MyRAID in the other edit suite as a place for her to copy things to.
00:00.640: I can't tell you how much it is, but it because it just the App Store, once you've purchased it, the App Store goes, Yeah, you have that installed.
00:00.640: Upgrade immediately.
00:00.640: it has opened up the world of possibilities in terms of what we can do as editors.
00:00.640: Britney Spears on some like, you know, entertainment tonight or whatever.
00:00.640: It was a lot of fun.
00:00.720: I worked really late last night.
00:00.720: Power book or a $1,500 iMac or something like that, and you have what 10 years ago would have cost
00:00.720: As soon as they see something, they want to jump.
00:00.720: But I just I think there are certain principles.
00:00.720: I can't remember.
00:00.720: Duplicate her project on her drive in room number one and set my raid as her destination.
00:00.720: It would basically it's like the kind of like how you know Time Machine works.
00:00.720: In this particular program, intervals can be daily, weekly, monthly, or you can select specific time intervals from 15 minutes, thirty minutes, one hour, two hours, three hours, four hours.
00:00.720: Well, hey, for children, it's a liberty wide.
00:00.720: since what you and I last spoke, is the three main edit rooms, we have little side systems around the place, but the three main edit rooms here, each one of them has
00:00.720: a parody in terms of the way it's set up.
00:00.720: Each one has the same UPS system on it.
00:00.720: It is, let me think if I can find it here real quick.
00:00.720: Like I mentioned earlier, Ron's the one that made me want to do this show.
00:00.720: Much of the way we used to use compound clips as timelines, pretty much a thing of the past.
00:00.800: When you heard the arguments that Apple was abandoning the pro market and all of this, when you saw the rapidity with which they were releasing
00:00.800: Yeah, I was gonna I love that episode listen to it.
00:00.800: If you just stand back and you look at the industry and when I say the industry, I'm talking about film, television, video production.
00:00.800: 0 first came out.
00:00.800: Now I don't feel so cool because I thought it was totally me.
00:00.800: If you're in this for a business, and most of the people that I write for, are trying to make a living at this thing.
00:00.800: I get it.
00:00.800: Yeah, because they were afraid that it was.
00:00.800: Compound clips in lieu of projects.
00:00.800: And that happens sometimes.
00:00.800: There's another tool that I one of my clients, he says, I don't mind if you want to cut in Final Cut 10, but I'm not down with this no auto save vault.
00:00.800: It's always the case actually.
00:00.800: The best backup strategy I ever heard.
00:00.800: Every single day.
00:00.880: And it was me and Ron Brinkman and what's his name, Richard Harrington.
00:00.880: Good supporters at Proper English?
00:00.880: everything is switching to a more independent model where artists and professionals have the
00:00.880: To make editing so fast and intuitive for people who don't already have film background.
00:00.880: I think you're buying the bottom of the barrel.
00:00.880: Oh, it's not available yet.
00:00.880: Which is kind of a ballsy question to ask somebody who's sold millions of records.
00:00.880: And he works for Major League Baseball.
00:00.880: I just I need to prioritize.
00:00.960: Well, it was about a year and a half ago that me listening to you on Carl's show convinced me to try out Final Cut 10.
00:00.960: the way it handles multicam and all those kind of things.
00:00.960: And I want to address the issue of the whole fanboy thing.
00:00.960: I'll be I was like, I'll walk in in the middle of a big job.
00:00.960: I don't even think about it.
00:00.960: A specialized folder.
00:00.960: That you need for a particular job.
00:00.960: Yeah, do you remember that?
00:00.960: You got to have something, and certainly you got to have two copies of something.
00:00.960: It's all right.
00:01.040: Start, you know, making me want to start this show.
00:01.040: And then like a year later, I called you up and go, Hey, let's talk Mahalo God 10 again.
00:01.040: They built up a market.
00:01.040: And so what you're saying is that there is potentially a whole new tribe, a whole new generation of people that aren't thinking that way.
00:01.040: It really will take advantage of the RAM.
00:01.040: And I got a news for you.
00:01.040: as Multicam did to everybody else.
00:01.040: What was that called?
00:01.120: Yeah, you know what?
00:01.120: Yeah, ten point naught.
00:01.120: Yeah, in the interest of full disclosure, I just want to say because I've actually had a few complaints already of people saying that we sound too much like fanboys.
00:01.120: Apple definitely has its pluses and minuses and it has its misses.
00:01.120: I don't upgrade until like all the bugs until I until I'm kicking and screaming.
00:01.120: Yeah.
00:01.120: Um hey, so h have you been following um Alex's uh s sleuthing into the iMovie package contents?
00:01.120: But it is, it's interesting.
00:01.120: It was that one.
00:01.200: Well, it's funny because those of us who have been using it, who are professionals using it, getting paid to use it
00:01.200: I don't know.
00:01.200: I think yeah, I can't.
00:01.200: What if you did it yesterday?
00:01.200: But so there's still little things like that we've got to do extra in order to make it work perfectly.
00:01.200: So that's definitely one thing.
00:01.200: If there's somebody that you think should be on the show, contact me.
00:01.200: com.
00:01.280: Right.
00:01.360: That's a great point.
00:01.360: What if Apple changes the way Compile Clips work?
00:01.360: And it was a guest blog post.
00:01.440: Basically the moral story is don't upgrade your software right away.
00:01.520: Basically, abandoned Final Cut Classic, and I still contend that that decision was made about six years ago.
00:01.520: And I walk away.
00:01.520: And he goes, I really like it.
00:01.520: I'll also say that we went into a bit of a discussion about backup utilities and whatnot, and frankly, the backup functionality in 10.
00:01.520: Try one of those.
00:01.600: Mine was about 10 feet.
00:01.600: I think you're my tenth interview in like just over well, I guess it's about two and a half weeks now.
00:01.600: I mean the the differences between six and seven were so minuscule.
00:01.600: Why did we like this?
00:01.600: Her answer was, she said, I wish I could sing like Christina Aguilera.
00:01.680: Let's see here.
00:01.680: I think they have it on Vimeo, but it's one of those I think it's Chill, or one of those video film distribution models where you can pay in or rent the video and get like a digital download.
00:01.680: And also, well, let's put it this way.
00:01.680: I think I've even asked you maybe on your show, but where did you find this crazy
00:01.680: Oh, yeah.
00:01.680: The auto render auto it was like autosave.
00:01.680: Mhm.
00:01.760: I don't know if they got a lot, but they got a few.
00:01.760: That's very interesting.
00:01.760: And Final Cut 10.
00:01.760: Yeah.
00:01.760: It uses all the same render files.
00:01.840: But I did listen to some stuff.
00:01.840: So, you're not going to get that for $1,000 in a PowerBook or $1,500 in an iMac.
00:01.840: It worked really well.
00:01.840: So I use I for my backup, I use Git backup.
00:01.920: They built up their tribe.
00:01.920: But why not but why not use like a backup program to do that?
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00:01.920: It's such a tiny little thing, but it happens.
00:01.920: I totally appreciate when you guys make the comments and stuff and it helps the show rank better so that more people hear about it.
00:01.920: And much thanks to John Davidson at Magic Feather Inc.
00:02.000: I was leaving.
00:02.000: You might be able to get a rebate, dude.
00:02.000: Which is a really bad place to be, people.
00:02.000: You're like, good grief.
00:02.080: I am not as smart as I thought I was, and there's a lot here to be fascinated with.
00:02.080: You know, edit, edit, trim, trim, figured out, okay, I got it.
00:02.080: And I'll version it so that, and I'll and you can choose intervals of 15 minutes, 30 minutes, or whatnot.
00:02.080: Yeah, it's really smart.
00:02.080: I think that discussion can be put away.
00:02.080: So, I also want to mention that in the wrap-up, when I asked Ron about the three things that he wanted out of Funalca 10.
00:02.160: I will say that there's a lot of really good information in this show, and Ron's a great guy.
00:02.160: And so you're right, the affordability I think is another huge factor that comes into play in terms of this long game that I think Apple is going after.
00:02.160: So, what we did is we had a woman that works for us was pre-cutting timelines.
00:02.160: You pick the drive that you're working on that is problematic and you say, save this guy.
00:02.160: I think he pronounces his name.
00:02.160: I'm sorry.
00:02.240: Like you could put the timeline on the bottom and the bins up top or you could put the timeline on the top and the bins on the bottom.
00:02.240: I remember listening very closely to that end because it was shortly after I was young.
00:02.240: Yeah, I for sure.
00:02.240: Right.
00:02.320: It'll be available in less than a week.
00:02.320: Like, regardless, they'll be they were true in the past, they're true now, and for the most part, they'll be true going forward.
00:02.320: Um and and it's funny when you even think about that, when you think about and 'cause I remember when iMovie 'cause my wife used to use iMovie to do some of our home videos
00:02.320: And I think that there is some real powerful reasons.
00:02.320: Absolutely.
00:02.320: What would they be?
00:02.400: I think my larger point is slap on another thousand dollars if you want.
00:02.400: And that's one of the reasons why I waited because I wanted to see, okay, is Apple going to do anything with it?
00:02.400: Oh, yeah, new thing, upload.
00:02.400: I have never recommended that you do that.
00:02.400: This is and I just, you know, out of curiosity, you know, I looked at the I checked out
00:02.400: But I mean, that's a minor thing.
00:02.400: Yeah, and it sucked and there was a particular short film I was working on that I had to basically re-edit from scratch, which was
00:02.400: Which I think most people would admit.
00:02.400: I want to say thank you so much for listening.
00:02.480: I don't know.
00:02.480: Oh, something's going to happen.
00:02.480: And you know, it's like crazy town over there.
00:02.560: Yep.
00:02.560: And part of that smart decision is okay, looking at the software programs that you use to run your business
00:02.560: I will tell you why, because I upgrade everything the first moment.
00:02.560: You know, I mean, you first of all, I would bet there is probably more times
00:02.560: But I do think that it is interesting.
00:02.560: We duplicated the media.
00:02.640: I was gonna yeah, he's you know, he's a fascinating guy and has turned out to be a real, you know, a real good supporter of this show.
00:02.640: You should do it.
00:02.640: Clearly, it's a powerful tool for not a whole lot.
00:02.640: You know, I was looking at the industry and I just actually, as of this taping, I just recently made a blog post about how like I never, it's my policy never to upgrade
00:02.640: I don't even think about it anymore.
00:02.640: And you know, sort of like, you know, I was backing up on my client stuff, but I wasn't backing up my personal work for some stupid reason.
00:02.640: I should have looked it up, but I didn't.
00:02.720: So, here we go.
00:02.720: So, this is one of the last couple of shows that I recorded before the release of Funka 10.
00:02.720: Precisely what you're saying.
00:02.720: Now, here is the method that we used to do this.
00:02.720: Okay, you got me.
00:02.720: You know, there it's about eight gigs or terabytes or whatever.
00:02.720: And it really is it's like caveman technology.
00:02.720: I just write over the origin the first one.
00:02.720: You'd find this very interesting.
00:02.800: I say we like there's a big staff of people working on the show.
00:02.800: You are going to have all of the stuff, the projects and events, and presumably all the media that you
00:02.800: He's actually been on the show like two or three times now.
00:02.880: Right.
00:02.880: How did you describe it?
00:02.880: It actually does, you know, iMovie is now built on Final Cut, where they, you know, everybody was saying that Final Cut was built on iMovie.
00:02.880: And frankly, it kind of opened my eyes to a lot of possibilities.
00:02.960: On my show, I had the makers of Indie Game, The Movie, which is an amazing documentary if you haven't seen it.
00:02.960: And that's what happens when you do cap on clips as well.
00:02.960: And the minute you say no, it starts re-rendering anyway.
00:02.960: One of the things that allowed us to do, and we were really moving fast and furious, is she never had to stop down.
00:02.960: Depending on how many autosave files you save.
00:03.040: Uh Final Cuts has some significant Final Cut Pro ten has had some significant updates like every few months.
00:03.040: And I just found the information that the tutorial is by John Davidson at Magic Feather Inc.
00:03.040: It's just it doesn't have the flex to be able to pull that off.
00:03.120: I was leaving the office.
00:03.120: I found this very fascinating podcast that I actually was on two years ago.
00:03.120: And then in addition to the Thunderbolt Raid, we also have
00:03.120: Let me think the first time he was on was episode DCC005.
00:03.120: There you have it.
00:03.200: I mean, even now, like when I'm talking about working on a project, it's like you have to constantly make the distinction between job.
00:03.200: And so, yeah, and it's interesting that, you know, I've talked with a lot of people.
00:03.200: Good idea.
00:03.200: Because data is temporal and hard drives are you know, let's face it, it's amazed it's amazing these hard drives even work at all.
00:03.200: Actually, by the time this airs, I would have had the series finale of my podcast.
00:03.280: I have yet to see a 0.
00:03.280: I think that's what we're going to see.
00:03.280: When we have to deal with Final Cut 7, it's because we're dealing on a legacy thing or possibly something that somebody else has started and brought to us.
00:03.280: Yes, well that would that would be great.
00:03.280: But it sounds like it's doing exact basically exactly the same thing.
00:03.280: You know, since you and I last spoke when you told me about this thing, I think you had just lost it and you were like, I'm still trying.
00:03.280: Separating the audio doesn't work the same way, which is frustrating.
00:03.280: And after reading Ron's blog post about compound clips, we decided that you're not going to see it.
00:03.360: Hey Ron, how are you doing?
00:03.360: At any rate, one of the things that he pointed out was that in Final Cut 10.
00:03.360: And to them, you have an application that is affordable on a hardware platform that is desirable
00:03.360: I mean, like when when uh 10.
00:03.360: I hear what you're saying about how you can approach certain things, but I'm a firm believer that there are certain principles, like when it comes to like business, that
00:03.360: 0 was a 1.
00:03.360: Very interesting.
00:03.360: And I think it's really interesting that there's that stupid checkbox, you know, copy
00:03.360: It has it actually oddly enough, they have the exact same computer with the 32 gigs of RAM.
00:03.440: I think anyone who's read my blog knows that although I'm a fan of Apple, I'm hardly a fanboy.
00:03.440: Yeah, it's very interesting.
00:03.440: Now I want to know.
00:03.520: This is episode Final Cut Grill 011.
00:03.520: It looks beautiful.
00:03.520: But let's talk about this upgrade policy because I read your policy and I was like
00:03.520: It's going to, it's going to, you know, because basically we had these computers that just barely edited video.
00:03.520: And I don't need to Google to find the name of the company, but it's this video production agency in Los Angeles.
00:03.520: I went through.
00:03.520: And I think you could couch it by saying, we've been listening to the users and in an attempt to.
00:03.520: And so the last two episodes had Still Motion on talking about the making of their film and really great episodes.
00:03.600: And so you have this old guard, I think, that are going to be dying out, and this new guard, this new generation coming in.
00:03.600: I will definitely say that Final Cut 10 works best with as much RAM as you can
00:03.600: Once it's locked and completed, they'll drop that in a project.
00:03.600: I would want to put it into MySparse Disk.
00:03.600: It's like a database that's always saving.
00:03.600: You can tell me how much it is.
00:03.600: And I think that may have been it where we talked about hard drive.
00:03.600: I can't remember what it was.
00:03.600: Whoa.
00:03.680: I just was the last straw.
00:03.680: No, no, no, not at all.
00:03.680: Because it was a pain having to deal with projects, you know, having multiple projects open as a
00:03.680: Yeah, so yeah, backups of Francophone Pro is eighteen bucks, seventeen ninety nine.
00:03.680: And a huge thing would be the whole workflow.
00:03.680: Great content there.
00:03.760: I don't think so.
00:03.760: Look what I did there with my rhyming words.
00:03.760: I think that was the episode that he talked about as backup.
00:03.760: So, once again, thanks for listening, and we'll be back next time with more on the grill.
00:03.840: Oh, well, Ron will talk.
00:03.840: They kept them connected.
00:03.840: You get that for $300.
00:03.840: And a great example was in the past, Compa Clips used to work one way.
00:03.840: And you'll be hearing more about that in coming shows, both on Funket Grill and Digital Cinema Cafe.
00:03.920: And you'll understand that when you get into the interview.
00:03.920: We have two iMacs in our office that have 16 gigs of RAM and three of them that have thirty two gigs of RAM, and it is a world of difference working on the thirty two gigs of RAM.
00:03.920: And the number one complaint or not complaint, but the number one argument I hear is that
00:03.920: So yeah, that's called Get Backup Pro, which is available on the App Store.
00:03.920: Yeah, he's a smart dude.
00:03.920: Until, I mean, Final K is still evolving, so
00:03.920: One of them you had mentioned in a previous show, being able to drop a clip that's already in the timeline into an audition.
00:04.000: I was like, oh, I got to be back in four hours for Ron.
00:04.000: There was a lot of evidence in the code of features that were soon to be released.
00:04.000: And I think a lot of creatives don't necessarily think like that.
00:04.000: We each had a copy of all the media.
00:04.000: I mean, there's other stories I want to tell.
00:04.080: Yeah, and you know, it doesn't help that there's a lot of
00:04.080: But and they turned them down, which is like unheard of.
00:04.080: It was my justification of of using uh uh uh comp clips
00:04.080: Ron Dawson hanging up his podcast.
00:04.160: And I think that some of the what you refer to as the rapidity of upgrades
00:04.160: Yeah, it was on well, I was it was a post on f as fcp.
00:04.160: It's not ready for everybody, and I don't think it's trying to be everything to everybody.
00:04.160: He lives in Jersey, works in Jersey.
00:04.160: The best way to contact me, Chris Fenwick, is at Chris Fenwick on the Twitter.
00:04.240: And this, you know, this show has actually done.
00:04.240: And and and I think that that's a good sign, at least for me.
00:04.240: I was kidding.
00:04.240: The point being to be that much in the public eye and to be able to say, yeah, uh
00:04.320: No, uh yeah, I this is a really interesting theory that I have never thought of.
00:04.320: But two, if I wanted to be able to go back and
00:04.320: And so ever since then, I'm like religious about backing up my event database file.
00:04.320: But anyway, you may you'll enjoy that episode.
00:04.400: I did cut some things out.
00:04.400: And you can set the interval and how often it does that?
00:04.400: He's been using it on some other projects, and he really likes the app and he wants to use it.
00:04.400: They're doing a big event down in the LA.
00:04.480: Good morning.
00:04.480: Yes, an endgame, and the
00:04.480: 0 version, regardless of the number 10 slapped on the end.
00:04.480: Major League Baseball brings in twenty terabytes of data
00:04.560: And how h what was their distribution model in the way they released it?
00:04.560: It's a great storytelling case study
00:04.560: Okay, so let's talk a little bit about it.
00:04.560: All right, so I use this feature not only for
00:04.560: And that's again, you only have to turn on the versioning.
00:04.560: com and on Twitter I'm at daredreamer mag.
00:04.560: I'm pretty good about that, I think.
00:04.640: I think what they're probably doing is testing and checking and confirming and then
00:04.720: And sure enough, it is.
00:04.720: What it allowed me to do
00:04.720: No, it was over a night, so it wasn't that bad.
00:04.720: Let's see.
00:04.800: I kid you not, I do this all the time.
00:04.800: And I will say that I've never had a problem that kept me from working.
00:04.800: So if they come up with a better way, I think that would be awesome.
00:04.800: But it's also a great way of just
00:04.800: And there used to be some nonsense about how those didn't act the same way.
00:04.880: There's a guy that we had on Digital Cinema Cafe
00:04.880: That seems so random.
00:04.880: Really appreciate it.
00:04.960: I'm saying I think there are things that we don't necessarily notice or read about.
00:04.960: Get the new iMovie 2013 and go edit a little.
00:04.960: Like in finding a classic, if I were to duplicate a rendered sequence
00:04.960: I mean, I think I mean, the use of compound clips in lieu of projects is sort of like a workaround
00:04.960: So let me imagine let's imagine you have a magic wand and you can wave it and make three features either change or appear.
00:04.960: You're like, oh, that's got to be higher on the list because it's.
00:05.040: Well, good morning and thank you for agreeing to be on the grill.
00:05.040: As a matter of fact, it is worth it to open up
00:05.040: So I was just thinking like what's where there was there didn't seem to be any logical, logistical connection between
00:05.040: He seems to think that we're going to see something that is completely reimagined and much more
00:05.040: I open up my raid, I sort by date modified, and anything I touch today, I just drag it onto the
00:05.040: Yeah, you know, it's interesting.
00:05.040: I did an interview with art.
00:05.120: It won Best Documentary at Sundance this year.
00:05.120: I mean, 4K raw and
00:05.120: Like, you have to drag me kicking and screaming.
00:05.120: I have gotten to the point with Final Cut 10
00:05.120: The aperture does the same thing.
00:05.120: Yeah, absolutely.
00:05.120: What's that?
00:05.120: You know, I a few years ago I saw an interview with um
00:05.200: Good.
00:05.200: I've never once recommended to anybody, except for like my niece, that they should crack open iMovie and go.
00:05.200: Yeah, and Topher's a good friend.
00:05.200: At any rate, he was explaining how he goes, Yeah, you know, it's just Famaka Ten can't work in that environment.
00:05.200: The first time I actually called him up out of the blue and just said, Hey, Ron, let's talk Von Contan.
00:05.200: And again, thank you so much for listening.
00:05.280: And then in some cases making them better.
00:05.280: Yeah, and I gotta say it totally changed my workflow and it was
00:05.280: And that's worth the few little sidetracks that we have to do to make it work perfectly.
00:05.360: It's just me.
00:05.360: 0 product, a 1.
00:05.360: I think one of the things that I have since done
00:05.360: And if your way of making two copies of it is more efficient than mine, that's good.
00:05.360: But to be able to be in that much of a.
00:05.440: Yeah, you're bringing up a good point, and I haven't even considered this yet.
00:05.440: They kept the tribe connected via social media and released it on their own.
00:05.440: It was clearly made before Final Cut 7 was released.
00:05.440: It's not that bad anymore.
00:05.520: What was it, about a year and a half ago I was first on your show and you asked me about Final Cut 10?
00:05.520: A whole lot of money.
00:05.520: And I and I and I'm not going to tell you your
00:05.520: It's called Yeah, Backups for Final Cut Pro.
00:05.520: There's films I want to shoot, and
00:05.600: How are you doing?
00:05.600: And then you have the fourth thing that's different.
00:05.600: So they still use a project, but they just they save it to the very last step.
00:05.600: Auto save vault.
00:05.600: You go back in time to that version
00:05.600: Yeah, yeah.
00:05.600: Unless you're Chris Fenwick, in which case you hit.
00:05.680: Then you throw that on top of a $1,000
00:05.680: And I think that
00:05.680: Uh yeah, you know, I should, but there I I no, no.
00:05.760: Because it was fairly soon after the release.
00:05.760: And I think it just has to do with exposure and knowledge.
00:05.760: I did the most rookie maneuver.
00:05.840: This is actually one place where don't copy the render files makes perfect sense.
00:05.920: You know, one of the things that Alex Gullner was saying was that
00:05.920: It's like, you know, the and literally it's just
00:05.920: It's like, really, you're going to drag a three hundred gigabyte folder?
00:05.920: We sort of felt bad when we kept having him come on.
00:05.920: It very possibly could be.
00:06.000: I don't see a world where that's possible.
00:06.000: Oh, and by the way, your s solution is actually only 15 bucks, not 20.
00:06.000: And it's brilliant.
00:06.000: for introducing me.
00:06.080: And some things I opted to leave in just because they're still somewhat relevant.
00:06.080: Oh, sorry, dude.
00:06.080: Please tell your friends, subscribe in iTunes.
00:06.160: And the thing is, people should be backing up using some type of backup software anyway.
00:06.160: Every day.
00:06.240: And I was literally that that
00:06.240: So, I just want to make sure that we're not soft-selling, you know, like, oh, look at me, I'm doing 4K on a $1,000 laptop.
00:06.240: 0 first came out.
00:06.240: It's very nerdy and geeky and deep.
00:06.240: And I remember getting on it and thinking, this is so confusing.
00:06.240: All right, so but here's so I understand that process.
00:06.240: And yeah, I'm going to say it's 17.
00:06.240: And I think this whole, you know, is it
00:06.320: But I do it all the time.
00:06.320: You can change and it looks just like the settings and parameters for a project.
00:06.320: And you mentioned the
00:06.320: And I'm sure other advanced backuping tools
00:06.320: And that has saved my butt a number of times.
00:06.400: But at any rate, I would open that up and
00:06.400: UPS on an uninterruptible power supply.
00:06.400: I just read about FCP backups.
00:06.480: I'm doing great.
00:06.480: So I yeah, so I emailed you and you're like, yeah, let's do it.
00:06.480: Right, right, right.
00:06.480: Middle of a big job.
00:06.480: It makes them not as necessary.
00:06.560: Today I'm going to talk with Ron Dawson.
00:06.560: And I don't know what the motivation is behind that.
00:06.560: And it is not ideal?
00:06.560: At any rate, I think the one thing we can all agree on
00:06.640: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:06.640: Like I think there I think there
00:06.640: And so I was like.
00:06.640: Auto save vault, exactly.
00:06.640: And we have one of those kind of daisy chained off of each of the R6s.
00:06.640: But it was really telling and it really kind of made me a Britney Spears fan, if you will.
00:06.640: So
00:06.720: Like that's why you go to Senance, right?
00:06.720: Like when I talk to people who don't have a film background, they find Final Cut intuitive.
00:06.720: She would start a project, not a compound clip, a project in her room and
00:06.720: Oh, no, oh, you know what?
00:06.720: And there's plenty of great things and exciting things going on this year with Final Cut 10.
00:06.800: You were the next to the last, probably.
00:06.800: And if, you know
00:06.800: 0 version of anything.
00:06.800: Yes, it's seen.
00:06.880: I think what we're going to see in the near future with 10.
00:06.880: It's interesting.
00:06.960: It's just comical.
00:06.960: So, that's one thing.
00:06.960: Not that I'm following every word that Britney Spears has said over the years.
00:07.040: Usually, I don't turn on versioning, I just have full backup.
00:07.040: But I think there's this ecosystem that's been created around the program that
00:07.120: 1 that will kind of do the same thing to collaborative work environment.
00:07.120: I really like Topher, and he's.
00:07.120: And yeah, if I could wave a magic wand, I would definitely get rid of the whole projects thing.
00:07.120: I will.
00:07.120: So he did really good with his predictions or actually his wish list of
00:07.200: But regardless, it was
00:07.200: 10.
00:07.200: So clearly, it's better to live now than it was 10 or 20 years ago.
00:07.200: My upgrade policy
00:07.280: Like
00:07.280: Yeah, we should.
00:07.280: Now, clearly, anybody listening to this episode is going to say
00:07.360: Like I could for the life of me never get multi-cam to work in Final Cut 7 and it works like a breeze in this one.
00:07.360: Huh.
00:07.440: That's the artist way.
00:07.440: And frankly, I'm glad that I did.
00:07.440: It's like, oh, new thing.
00:07.440: It's like ah
00:07.440: fcp events folder and I'll back it up to my Dropbox.
00:07.520: And in that library file, which is essentially a folder.
00:07.520: Now, which is crazy, but I will let me tell you something because you're going to I think you're going to dig this.
00:07.520: Number one, we duplicated the media.
00:07.520: Then she would go down into her bin.
00:07.520: And if you haven't heard that episode, I suggest you go back and find it.
00:07.520: It is.
00:07.520: Every day.
00:07.520: But we had but anyway, Art and I had a great talk about software and business and
00:07.520: That's the best way to follow me.
00:07.520: Yeah, no, I'm giving you all the credit.
00:07.600: Yeah.
00:07.600: And again, when you're comparing to what, I mean, an avid system
00:07.600: Yeah.
00:07.600: I think that
00:07.680: 9.
00:07.680: It's just too important.
00:07.680: Oh, there's a new update to After Effects.
00:07.680: Yes, definitely was.
00:07.680: But if you did want the versioning
00:07.680: Okay, so your your idea is cheaper.
00:07.680: And again.
00:07.760: And so that's what I do.
00:07.840: Right.
00:07.840: Oh, you're going to hang it up?
00:08.000: And then a little bit later.
00:08.000: I mean, I used to work in the software industry and
00:08.000: And they had a lot of offers from studios who wanted to distribute it.
00:08.000: I mean, that's probably the case.
00:08.000: You change them in a project and they would not reverberate throughout the event.
00:08.000: And it's I you know, because it's because of the way the App Store works, I can't
00:08.000: It really is.
00:08.000: You know, we've been looking at the way people have been using the software.
00:08.000: She has a beautiful voice.
00:08.080: And you have a powerful tool.
00:08.080: And so
00:08.080: You don't need to know how much I cost.
00:08.080: It may be episode 17.
00:08.080: Okay, Ron, we should wrap this up.
00:08.160: I I think my theory is that Apple is playing a long game here.
00:08.160: Let's go back a little bit to the compound clip.
00:08.160: Speaking of versioning, there's one tip I wanted to share with your listeners that I've recently started doing.
00:08.160: So if for whatever reason you need to go back to a past version
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00:08.240: So let's move on to the interview.
00:08.240: Now, I basically give, in this episode, you'll understand, I basically give Ron Dawson the credit for
00:08.240: A little little over two years ago.
00:08.240: It looks pretty much exactly like I was talking about.
00:08.240: And so I don't think we're going to ever hear that.
00:08.320: So they have that huge gaming market.
00:08.320: I don't think we'll ever hear that story until fifty years after the
00:08.320: So that's totally cool.
00:08.400: Like you're trying to give them an idea of, okay, well, no, no, this is what it's really about.
00:08.400: 0, or as he calls it, 10.
00:08.400: Because Final Cut VII was a joke.
00:08.400: And when I read your thing, I was like, yeah, that feels very 90s media 100 era.
00:08.400: You leave for Christmas holiday and you come back, and all your hard drives are full.
00:08.400: You can choose
00:08.480: That's about the time I went to bed.
00:08.560: Download.
00:08.560: And I was like, why not just use
00:08.640: com.
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00:08.800: And so I like, I watched the Final Cut Landscape for a year or so.
00:08.800: If you've stumbled upon this without getting through iTunes, I don't know how people do that, but.
00:08.880: It's been really easy to get people.
00:08.880: And he said, you know, some of them took, you know, six
00:08.880: So it's my policy, like when a new OS comes out, I don't upgrade.
00:08.960: But anyway,
00:08.960: They have remote cameras in all of the stadiums and they shoot
00:09.040: But my point is, I think that.
00:09.040: I would love to have been
00:09.040: You're right about that.
00:09.040: And so when I'm editing a project,
00:09.040: Uh well, I gotta say I will forever be indebted to you for introducing me to the compound clip.
00:09.120: And it was.
00:09.120: And
00:09.120: She could just go boom, boom, copy and then immediately start working on her next one.
00:09.120: You could go to your autosave vault and then like reopen that one and
00:09.200: I know the well, I know well I know it's on Netflix now.
00:09.200: I mean, we were on the ragged edge of possibility.
00:09.200: But I think what we're going to see.
00:09.200: co.
00:09.200: We have a
00:09.200: This is, I don't know if this is a bug or what.
00:09.200: Oh, cool.
00:09.280: The more you learn, the more you realize.
00:09.280: And I might have that wrong.
00:09.360: Oh, okay.
00:09.360: I would like to think it is the latter.
00:09.360: Thank you so much.
00:09.440: Well, I mean, obviously it slowed down a bit, but you know, it they were pumping out some
00:09.440: A couple of weeks ago, I talked with Alex Gallner, Alex 4D.
00:09.440: 1, he actually got two out of three.
00:09.520: Later.
00:09.600: And we were at a point.
00:09.600: And basically, to make a long story short, they made more money releasing it themselves.
00:09.600: 1 is we're going to have
00:09.680: Yeah.
00:09.680: So we have a lot of things planned for this year.
00:09.760: She was doing like the rough edit in one room.
00:09.760: All right.
00:09.840: And yet.
00:09.840: Like, why did he make it?
00:09.840: I mean, this is this is really, you know, the the philosophy.
00:09.840: And then the other thing is that, you know, given the current workflow of Final Cut 10.
00:09.920: That's the name of the company, Magic Feather Inc.
00:09.920: Uh it's a little bit more nerdy 'cause you have to go in and find that file, whereas
00:09.920: Yep.
00:10.000: I was on Maccast with um is it uh Mark Christians?
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00:10.000: Yeah.
00:10.000: It has a little safe with a blue thing on it.
00:10.000: Yeah.
00:10.080: They make
00:10.080: It's now completely the opposite.
00:10.080: And so that I it's just so that I have a backup of my database.
00:10.080: I'm not recommending mine, but I will recommend you do something.
00:10.160: Right.
00:10.240: 1.
00:10.240: And then you had me on the show and we talked about it more in depth.
00:10.240: The stuff I can't figure out, yeah.
00:10.240: So Oh, come on.
00:10.240: 1.
00:10.320: I mean.
00:10.320: It was a project that had personal files and
00:10.320: It might be fcp
00:10.320: All right, Ron.
00:10.480: You may be right.
00:10.480: Yeah, I've started to use the word job.
00:10.560: Not a guy in brown shorts.
00:10.640: Well, I did that for a compound clip.
00:10.640: Okay.
00:10.640: So to put so to put too much trust in them is kind of ridiculous.
00:10.720: We want to talk about Final Cut 10.
00:10.720: Yeah, but my commute was longer than yours, I bet.
00:10.720: Why not just
00:10.720: It's great.
00:10.720: So, you know, if you
00:10.880: Download.
00:10.960: How do people keep track of crossing the one eighty, et cetera, et cetera?
00:10.960: Well, thanks a lot, and we'll be in touch.
00:11.040: The people who find it hard are the people who are
00:11.040: fcp events dbase file over
00:11.120: So he has actually required me to use
00:11.200: I will contend that's probably true.
00:11.280: And I know that a project.
00:11.440: You know what the worst part about it was?
00:11.520: And, um,
00:11.520: Yeah.
00:11.760: Don't be silly, Ron.
00:11.840: Like if you're going to
00:12.000: Right, right.
00:12.000: So you.
00:12.160: I mean, they're going after the future filmmakers of the world.
00:12.240: A new IOS comes out, I don't upgrade, a new
00:12.400: And she would
00:12.480: 1.
00:12.800: Not really.
00:12.800: That should be sick.
00:12.960: I mean, I think the most
00:13.120: For the
00:13.520: That's how they're doing it.
00:13.680: Backing up is for
00:13.760: Adam Christensen.
00:14.000: So
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