Episode 68
FCG068 - FCPX Hangout (feat. Sam Woodhall)
Social media is everywhere, if you don’t believe me then I’d be shocked you’ve even FOUND this podcast. Sam Woodhall has started a brand new event that “meets” every Sunday afternoon to discuss Final Cut Pro live on a Google Hangout. If you aren’t familiar with G+ and the hangouts, you should learn about them. They are pretty cool. Learn all about Sam’s Hangout and Eric Price’s private Facebook FCPX page on this episode of The Grill.
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- Chris Fenwick
- Sam Woodhall - @swdoctor
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00:00.080: Let's let's decide.
00:00.160: I'm going to encourage you to listen and find out how to participate in that because it is a great way to the phrase I like to use is erode the barriers of geography
00:00.160: You know, Fenwick, it's your fault and it's that they had to buy PremiumBeats.
00:00.160: England.
00:00.160: So and when was that magic kung fu weekend when you decided to learn and become a master at Final Cut 10?
00:00.160: If what I had to cut for the for this company, I'll use this as a um as an example.
00:00.160: So, I have a it.
00:00.160: Of my skimmer data.
00:00.160: So yeah, I think we forget about how powerful the the skimmer is until you have to go back.
00:00.160: So you can okay, well, it is 20 years later, but sure, here's your carry on.
00:00.160: There's a whole bunch of Sam Woodhalls out there that have not used tape, and they're going to take your next job.
00:00.160: There's a group on Facebook uh called Final Competent Editors in Sync and it was set up by uh uh a g a good friend of mine, Ron Priest, and he um he set that group up and from there I set up the Google Plus Anger, which is just a sort of
00:00.160: toying with the idea of doing something like this.
00:00.160: Hold on.
00:00.160: Somebody's in questions in as well, so I was there for that for the live one.
00:00.160: But he's located on the in the Pacific he's located in in the place where it's Pacific Standard Time.
00:00.160: Now I do think that when it comes to the pro users, that they are a and again, the whole phrase pro user has gotten so much beef in the last couple of years.
00:00.160: I'm like, yeah, okay.
00:00.160: Well, Sam, thanks for taking the time to do this.
00:00.160: Sam and I started looking at all the places where there were audio problems, and it seemed almost like every eight minutes.
00:00.240: I want to turn this up a little.
00:00.240: And it's great because you can control where the music has movements and grows and pulls back.
00:00.240: And if you go back a couple of episodes, you'll find the interview that I did with Nicholas Bond.
00:00.240: There's been recently a free 2.
00:00.240: So, now let's go to the interview with Sam Woodhull.
00:00.240: What am I thinking of?
00:00.240: It's 'cause it's very close to the head for headset.
00:00.240: a totally different time than I thought.
00:00.240: It's ex it's exactly what it is.
00:00.240: Let's talk about Final Cut X.
00:00.240: You said I got started with Final Cut 6.
00:00.240: And now I'm it's you're like Keanu Reeves in the Matrix.
00:00.240: Six.
00:00.240: I love that, yeah.
00:00.240: You have to double-click the clip to load it in, to look at it, and find and find out that, oh, that's not the one you're after.
00:00.240: And then I could just refine that and narrow it down.
00:00.240: And then they'll say, and you know, you're kind of wander your mouse head is sort of wandering about in the bin, right?
00:00.240: Could who knows what my mouse was skimming over at that time?
00:00.240: Is it the keyboard shock command?
00:00.240: It's 2014.
00:00.240: one of the things that I've always tried to do, and frankly, in this iteration, it has served me quite well, is I actually think there's a lot to be said when it comes to keyboard shortcuts to sort of
00:00.240: keyboard shortcuts.
00:00.240: you can ascertain that if you go back uh in history and think about, you know, the editing systems prior to Final Cut ten and you know, even Premiere is still very much based in
00:00.240: Scrubbing the tape underneath the record head.
00:00.240: And that's all you could do.
00:00.240: Can't sound the word tracks anymore.
00:00.240: You don't you you know, you understand you know, Premiere is what you use to edit on tape.
00:00.240: They had not been cheap for too long, 'cause if you go back another ten years, they were astronomically expensive and small, so you couldn't put a lot of space on them anyway.
00:00.240: things got really powerful.
00:00.240: You know, back in the late eighties, people said, I'll never use a chip camera.
00:00.240: I'm saying that nicely.
00:00.240: Yeah.
00:00.240: And it's kind of fun to see people more and more.
00:00.240: Doctor Who fan.
00:00.240: bugs, we talk about improvements, workflows, help towards people who are a bit unsure about a particular thing.
00:00.240: I've just been invited to the Illuminati of the Facebook Final Hat 10 world.
00:00.240: Editors in it's a secret group, so I don't think it actually appears.
00:00.240: Hi, can I please be an invited?
00:00.240: But if you contact can we give out your Facebook name, Sam?
00:00.240: I don't know, you popped up to me maybe because we're in the in sync thing.
00:00.240: You know, hanging out in a pub with a pint and talking with your buddies who all are just as big a nerd as you are.
00:00.240: expel out our nerdiness over a program and just talk about it.
00:00.240: And as a matter of fact, I even have I've even hung china balls in one of my edit suites so that I'm actually more well illuminated for doing exactly this.
00:00.240: I've known Alex very peripherally for since about the year 2000, 2001, something like that.
00:00.240: uh later on in you know, for people on like the um you know, on the uh east of you know, on the west of America, you know, specifically
00:00.240: So okay, well that I mean, that's that's actually very doable.
00:00.240: you have the library inspector, in 10.
00:00.240: not many people are going to instantly navigate to the inspector or know what the inspector is when they start using Pharmacopro ten.
00:00.240: and have the media, cache and the backups inside of the media or in an external location.
00:00.240: They want to they feel comforted by seeing all of those buttons and knobs and sliders and menus.
00:00.240: Yeah.
00:00.240: by using the favorites by using favorites to do sort of a quick assembly inside of the event browser can go multiple range selections F, multiple range selections F
00:00.240: I like this bit F.
00:00.240: Apple changed the size and layout of the F keys, so now they're like half height keys and not full height keys on the new aluminum keyboards.
00:00.240: But anyway, thank you, Sam, for joining the conversation.
00:00.240: Total graphics, motion graphics, and such like that.
00:00.320: Good morning, good morning, welcome to another episode of Final Cut Grill.
00:00.320: That's what we're going to talk about today.
00:00.320: and basically sit down and have a nice chat with uh people from literally all over the world who uh are facing the same problems and
00:00.320: So I want to once again ask you to take a look at PremiumBeat.
00:00.320: And if you go to Premium Beats with an S, they auto redirect to their main website.
00:00.320: So, premium beat loop packs, the shorts, go check it out.
00:00.320: So, Premium Beat, please go check them out for me.
00:00.320: And you've heard me talk about FX Factory, I'm sure.
00:00.320: But it is the online app store for visual effects and plug-ins.
00:00.320: But FX Factory is supporting the show as well.
00:00.320: is Ripple Training Callouts.
00:00.320: Uh hello, hello?
00:00.320: This giant world that we live in in 24 time zones, and I couldn't keep straight of you know what time it was on.
00:00.320: I think I contend that goo the people at Google are geniuses and they don't design for mere mortals.
00:00.320: I was like, okay, I had the phone container on my computer, but I'd never touched it, never opened it, never really started to learn it.
00:00.320: and I thought, okay, right, I need to learn this.
00:00.320: No, actually that's a rumor I've never heard, as a matter of fact.
00:00.320: And I think as soon as that first video was done and they looked at it and they said, It's fine, you know, it's great.
00:00.320: That was when I started learning.
00:00.320: Relatively new to it.
00:00.320: do you think are uniquely suited to that type of work?
00:00.320: And then they wanted a 25-minute edit of the ceremony as a multi-cam, 25-minute edit of the speeches, and then they wanted a 25-minute
00:00.320: At that point, I I think it was at that point when I was doing the weddings and having to do the ha having like oh at least 200 gigs worth of media
00:00.320: in the early stages, in the early start in the early parts of learning, you know, not using keywords 'cause I still hadn't had my head wrapped around that bit yet.
00:00.320: you rethink from a user interface standpoint this idea of just, well, why can't I just hover across that?
00:00.320: But I will say this in regards to hover scrubbing or excuse me, skimming.
00:00.320: But I have this happen a lot, and I've touched on this in the show.
00:00.320: And I'm like, oh, well, let's find that shot of the guy underneath the car or whatever.
00:00.320: And then I could go to the JKL keys and I could start to rewind, and I would be rewinding the skimmer head history.
00:00.320: You know, it's just yeah, it's just problematic.
00:00.320: and that they put some thought into how they laid stuff out.
00:00.320: And then you would do IO, but to lay it into the timeline, you actually had to reach over the number row up to the function row and use it.
00:00.320: But you had to position your record machine, essentially we would today say our playhead, but you're not.
00:00.320: And again, I truly believe that Final Cut 10 is a reimagined machine, a piece of software.
00:00.320: Yeah, I've always said um to anyone on me, just I just I just say to them um varnicopro ten is is
00:00.320: back when they were cutting film with scissors and, you know, rot you know, doing all the developing, computers came along.
00:00.320: coming to an end.
00:00.320: And when you stop thinking about the limitations of your hard drives, amazing things can happen.
00:00.320: that would get to the end of a digital edit and say, okay, let's put that hard drive on the shelf
00:00.320: like sixty four megabytes.
00:00.320: you know, tape, I'm going to capture from tape thing, and actually there really isn't still, people would say, well, that's not professional.
00:00.320: You know, he had about probably $70,000 worth of tape decks in his house.
00:00.320: And time marches on.
00:00.320: history has been really interesting.
00:00.320: And it is it's just amazing to me because I came to this conclusion about two years ago that this was the tool that I wanted to use.
00:00.320: bugs, you know, problems and just it'd be like a sort of like um help center for anyone who's using Final Cut Pro ten, you know, have like a live Google Hangout that, you know, addresses certain problems that people are having.
00:00.320: So right now, in order to be to participate, you have to be part of Editors in Sync, correct?
00:00.320: be verified in the Facebook group before you can join the Google Plus group?
00:00.320: uh but I believe uh if you get in touch with Ron Priest he will uh add you in or he'll uh he'll send you a request to actually join the group.
00:00.320: So I'm not entirely sure um what happens in that sense, but I'm not entirely sure that actually pops up if it's a secret game.
00:00.320: It is basically like a blocks.
00:00.320: So I'll do that and it's just Lego blocks basically.
00:00.320: I had an hour of time that I didn't know I was going to have that day.
00:00.320: It was the first time I ever um you know, participated in in a live uh event, you know, in that you know, in that scale, you know, and you know, as many questions and stuff.
00:00.320: But um I do what I do look at the table.
00:00.320: And I sort of had a fanboy moment when my when my uh question got picked.
00:00.320: And I don't know how much you know about PixelCore, but his philosophy about the production world has always been that there was no good way to get good training.
00:00.320: Problem is, more people from America turned up than the Australians.
00:00.320: So you know, we have dedicated people in the in the Google Plus Hangouts that come in.
00:00.320: to guys in the same field as him.
00:00.320: as well as having it in the inspector.
00:00.320: And I try and imagine what they were thinking or the conversations around the the meeting room table.
00:00.320: And I think this is the conversation that you would hear.
00:00.320: there's a division between simplicity and power.
00:00.320: Because they're viable paying customers as well.
00:00.320: But I'm going to bet they wouldn't do it because they'd say, ooh, yeah, that's too complicated.
00:00.320: Just E, simple on the timeline.
00:00.320: look at the importance of having a regular release schedule.
00:00.320: Good grief.
00:00.400: uh things that we all face and um it's a great way to learn and uh you know h l quite literally hang out uh with uh our friends
00:00.400: It happens for I should be it's nothing new here.
00:00.400: And in order to kind of pay homage to that, I thought about it this morning.
00:00.400: edit these for us?
00:00.400: on on the Pixel Core YouTube channel with the Mark and Steve just learning Fonaka Pro and learning how you know learning how to use the software.
00:00.400: Okay, so from this story, I have surmised that I completely hate you.
00:00.400: Literally was like uh 'cause it was only one video 'cause they gave me a they gave me a sort of initiation video that wanted me to cut.
00:00.400: You do have the experience with Final Cut six and seven.
00:00.400: for me, that was the real okay, this is okay, now I can see where this is going to come in real handy.
00:00.400: the viewer window or the the browser window, which we all fought for, they gave us and none apparently none of us are using it.
00:00.400: That you really only have one, there's really only one downside to it.
00:00.400: Feature in Final Cut 10 would be a keyboard shortcut that I could hold down
00:00.400: want there are two types of people when it comes to keyboard shortcuts.
00:00.400: The way they have reimagined the keyboard shortcuts.
00:00.400: Right.
00:00.400: An old school tape metaphor.
00:00.400: And I'm either and back then you only I could only overlay the audio or the video.
00:00.400: There was never the thought that you could just magically jump to the end of the tape and know exactly where the end of the last shot was.
00:00.400: it's you know file-based media it's not tape and I I consider that Final Cut Pro 10 is a step in this you know
00:00.400: So now they they arrived at that workflow because hard drives were
00:00.400: Well, I think it's a great feature.
00:00.400: as well as seeing as well as just talking about anything really.
00:00.400: head out because I was headed someplace and again, I was on my phone.
00:00.400: Other people, if they want to if they want to join into the call and give their suggestions, sort of like a live show kind of thing.
00:00.400: Hang out on air.
00:00.400: And it is, you know, three little stacks of pyramids, and then there's a stack of three pyramids, and then there's three stacks of three stacks of pyramids that make a s
00:00.400: And let's throw out the fear of the Illuminati all-seeing eye.
00:00.400: uh it would have been eight AM on the East coast.
00:00.400: talking to us.
00:00.400: Bear with me.
00:00.400: I think the reason I'm here is 'cause I have no friends.
00:00.400: And then, for those of us that need a little more power, there are ways to modify it, hot route it, tweak it.
00:00.400: the idea that I can just go the id that I what I what I've started to do now, which I really, really like, is actually doing a sort of semi a semi assembly cut inside of the event browser.
00:00.400: And boy, that is one geeky moment when you have to get down to your favorite keyboard shortcut.
00:00.480: On a um Google Hangout, and I've seen his name around, uh, but um
00:00.480: For the Face for Ron Price's Facebook group called FCPX Editors in Sync, is he's doing this kind of weekly hangout thing.
00:00.480: And so he wants to, I think this morning we are going to tweak the music in his piece a bit.
00:00.480: Well, actually, the reason I hold on.
00:00.480: I'm hearing a big delay on me.
00:00.480: joined uh the Mac side.
00:00.480: And um my love really started started from there and uh used that primarily until Ten came out.
00:00.480: and I got approached to do some work for a event videography company uh that said, would you be able you know, we've got a we've got a bookload of weddings, bookload of event videos, would you be able to
00:00.480: So and since then I've never been to never been back to Premiere.
00:00.480: And I said, Okay, I'll do that.
00:00.480: Last year.
00:00.480: But not you know not too not like an hour, hour and a half, two hours kind of kind of length.
00:00.480: And so you over that you faked your way through the first one.
00:00.480: What things actually helped you do it better?
00:00.480: the thing that sped up the workflow for me was the Scribble tool and the and the um the event browser.
00:00.480: my editing really increased tenfold with the being able just to skim through media quickly, go, nope, no one left it, nope, nope, nope, there it is and bring that in.
00:00.480: Yeah, I think that you've touched on a few things that are quite interesting and things we haven't really talked about that much lately.
00:00.480: is really a slam dunk in Funnel Cut Ten, so much so that Premier copied it pretty quickly.
00:00.480: Exactly.
00:00.480: Throw away all the media because we can always recapture that from tape.
00:00.480: Wow.
00:00.480: So, um, have you ever set up a hangout on air?
00:00.480: At the moment, we want to keep it private because it's for a private group and we just want to keep it between ourselves.
00:00.480: Once again.
00:00.480: where you are, or actually, you don't even type in where you are because it's tied to your computer clock.
00:00.480: to come together and I will do I'm planning on being there this Sunday.
00:00.480: Between simplicity and power.
00:00.480: But I think I like your idea because it does give you a quicker access to the modified library settings.
00:00.480: Total nerd moment here.
00:00.480: Tweaking.
00:00.480: I'm not enough of a touch typer to reach up there.
00:00.480: We will be back Monday with another episode of Funnel Cut Grill.
00:00.560: Oh, that's right now.
00:00.560: Somebody just called you and threw a bunch of work at you.
00:00.560: I'm just ver vocalizing it as those numbers, but it could be any frames in the middle of those clips.
00:00.560: But um yeah, I've had to do it once and you know it it's just having to I don't know it's just
00:00.560: opening up for me, opening up old projects instead of um Final Code 10 is a lot nicer than opening up instead of Final Code Pro 7, hence why I don't have it anymore.
00:00.560: are more intuitive, and I like your word ergonomic because I think that in the old days you would do JKL
00:00.560: Abandon yourself to the mindset of the people that created this, assuming that they're not complete baboons and morons.
00:00.560: There's no, you know, no quick way just to throw things at the end of a timeline.
00:00.560: And then that, and then, you know, it was sort of ironic than that, then that tradition and that form of editing is now slowly
00:00.560: next ten, twenty year road towards where m filmmaking and where media is going to go.
00:00.560: What they would do is they would go through the project a process rather of archiving the project.
00:00.560: But at any rate, I'm very much looking forward to that.
00:00.560: 7 7 a.
00:00.560: Yeah, I think that um you know if you if you think about and and I always do this, I'm always whenever I get frustrated with something in Final Caten, I try and put on my Cupertino hat.
00:00.560: Actually, inside of the create new library window.
00:00.560: Are very much the stripped down, simplified version of the software.
00:00.560: The one, I believe, one singular solitary screenshot where the inspector was open.
00:00.560: And it is as and I can imagine the conversations around the table where they're just saying, yeah, we want to embrace the people that are afraid of looking at too many knobs.
00:00.560: I'm on Twitter at SW Doctor.
00:00.560: And so if you're thinking about getting into it, design yourself a workflow that you can actually do every week, because I think it makes a big difference in terms of building your audience.
00:00.640: No, they don't.
00:00.640: And being able to s having to sort through it, you know, in Final Cut 7 and, you know, in other legacy applications like Premiere and Final Code 6, Final Code 7.
00:00.640: Like, like, I don't know the word, but you know, they're much more suited to how you should, you know, how I work, if that makes sense.
00:00.640: Clearly, there is much evidence that the skimmer tool or scrubber tool, as you called it,
00:00.640: Why didn't they think in the first place, oh, things wa will wanna this go you know, you're editing, you wanna put things at the end after the next clip.
00:00.640: Yeah, I think that that might be a little narrow, but I totally understand what you're saying.
00:00.640: That you could do amazing things if you didn't worry about making giant files and you didn't worry about filling up hard drives.
00:00.640: Why?
00:00.640: And then you say, well, you know, tape is professional.
00:00.640: Yeah.
00:00.640: you can add people to it, and then Ron will verify that to make sure that it's they're not uh spam people, for example.
00:00.640: And you're all on the same timeline.
00:00.640: for people to come together minus the limitation of geography.
00:00.640: Yeah, he's located in there.
00:00.640: And I've actually put up on the group where I what I think you know is gonna be a little bit easier because
00:00.640: And I'm also on uh YouTube as uh Sam Woodhall as well.
00:00.720: Yeah.
00:00.720: I see.
00:00.720: you know, if it I I said this to some people where like during you know during the age of you know film we don't know which is still going on you know in small small amounts but
00:00.720: not they had not been cheap for too long and 10 years ago they were they were still pretty they were pretty cheap then
00:00.720: talking about Final Couple 10, talking about bugs, talking about how we we see that we can you know, we can suggest to help improve the program.
00:00.720: And it was something that myself and Scott Simmons and who else?
00:00.720: Um, which one of these computer boxes do I do?
00:00.720: What would you like to see?
00:00.720: It's really apparent, I've mentioned this on a couple of episodes now, that when you go to apple.
00:00.800: That's why there's a little bit of echo.
00:00.800: Maybe I hit control option command and then go to my JKL, and it would just rewind through the history.
00:00.800: Gasp, shock, horror.
00:00.800: on a page on g on Facebook.
00:00.800: an extension of itself, but it's just used for making Google Hangout calls and talking in through through on that.
00:00.800: I think doing it as a hangout is, to be honest with you, it's something that I toyed with about six months ago.
00:00.800: Yes.
00:00.800: I haven't seen I haven't not I've not seen no you know I think you can find it on YouTube it's really amazing so he built this table with five chairs around it
00:00.800: He is truly one of the big thinkers in this community, and he is always improving and tweaking and adjusting.
00:00.800: So it's I think it's worth getting through it.
00:00.800: really grow that hangout into a great weekly event.
00:00.880: And you had posted, hey, we're doing our second Google Hangout.
00:00.880: Well, I I started with let's go back to the very beginning, to the dawn of time, when I first um
00:00.880: It was ten dot I had it I had Fronic Funicle Pro 10 from 10.
00:00.880: Uh once I have.
00:00.880: F nine, I think it was.
00:00.880: I believe if you message Ron on Facebook, he will speech about it.
00:00.880: With Alex Lindsay.
00:00.880: And for fifteen years now, he has been modifying and tweaking the process of learning.
00:00.880: But anyway, I get to do that on the 14th.
00:00.960: Okay, and I want you to tell me a little bit about it because I had seen the link for it last week.
00:00.960: And I think that somewhere along the way, there was a meeting at Apple and they said, what if we threw all the keyboard shortcuts out and started from scratch?
00:00.960: Why is there no keyboard shortcut for that prior to ten?
00:00.960: And that's where the whole, you know, I need to batch capture again workflow came from.
00:00.960: Oh, yeah.
00:01.040: I was stuck with seven, you know, as many people did.
00:01.040: I'm British, I'm British, I like to defend myself, you know.
00:01.040: How's that working out for you?
00:01.040: Three or four or five cameras around it, and it has five computer screens and five keyboards and five mice.
00:01.040: And if you look at the Pixel Core logo, it is a pyramid of little pyramids.
00:01.040: Uh it will be the latter time, so it will be at ten PM my time, uh which will be in fact I shall quickly dart over to have a look at the older events and see what time that was.
00:01.040: So anyway, I just I'm going to agree with you.
00:01.120: I suppose ergonomical, you know, that kind of thing where you know, I can just select select a range E, select a range, E.
00:01.120: I don't have $70,000 worth of anything.
00:01.120: But yeah, I want to encourage you to grow it and build it.
00:01.200: Okay, good.
00:01.200: should join in.
00:01.200: Next well, I could say next month because today is the 31st, but I believe it is now I'm going to have to look because I don't want to give the wrong information here.
00:01.200: On August 14th, I'm going to be on the next I don't know what he calls it.
00:01.200: Every once in a while on Sundays I'll go up and sit in the this uber nerd, uber nerd.
00:01.200: for the longest time prided themselves that their Google home page had less I think I want to say thirty less than thirty words on the whole page
00:01.280: The vestibule of your home.
00:01.280: Yeah, that's a that's how that's how I see it.
00:01.280: I know it's a weird thing to say, having a favorite keyboard shortcut, but Nerd.
00:01.280: So Sam, what kind of discussions end up happening on the Google Hangout?
00:01.280: Go ahead and continue to do the sort of private.
00:01.280: Leo Laporte's live this weekend tech.
00:01.280: some pictures that I actually you know want to see you know it's like feature requests and improvements.
00:01.280: I never thought I'd go into training people how to do podcasts.
00:01.360: Oh no, wait, was it?
00:01.360: I noticed that.
00:01.360: And we're now editing everything on computers.
00:01.360: Ten years ago, and for some, you know, ten minutes ago.
00:01.440: I logged on to it.
00:01.440: See what I'm saying?
00:01.440: There's no insert this and replenish.
00:01.440: Because I can't capture from tape, among other things.
00:01.440: So we spoke of it, Doctor Who for a bit.
00:01.440: And so I have been invited to participate in that.
00:01.440: And so, yeah, of course, he's tweaking it and making it better.
00:01.440: m.
00:01.520: I want to say no, no, no, no, no, Master, just enough to uh get the stuff done and get it back to them.
00:01.520: Yeah, so 10.
00:01.520: You got up at 5 a.
00:01.520: Go to my just hide everything else go to favorites, Command A, then E.
00:01.520: Absolutely.
00:01.600: It's like, oh, really?
00:01.600: in Sydney and 5 a.
00:01.600: And yet Google Plus is one of the hardest tools I've ever tried to see.
00:01.680: And so it actually, I was surprised my old phone worked as well as it did, but it was a great conversation, and I thought, I want to talk to the guy who's doing this.
00:01.680: It seems like it's a hundred clicks to make something work.
00:01.680: Now I got to say, I don't know if that's possible.
00:01.680: So let's talk about first of all, I just want to say I thoroughly enjoyed it, and I think that more people
00:01.680: Um, but I'll say, like, in Funnel Cut Classic, I never, ever used F nine, F ten, F eleven.
00:01.760: they would put that onto like an LTO tape or some other tape backup system, and then they would log it in their library system or whatever, and then they would be done.
00:01.760: With Alex Lindsay and the Ripple Training guys.
00:01.760: 12, you have the library inspector.
00:01.840: How what's your experience with using Final Cut 10?
00:01.840: How do I use this magnetic timeline?
00:01.840: It would be at uh ten p.
00:01.840: That's what I really want to see.
00:01.920: Hello?
00:01.920: Was that what I meant?
00:01.920: Yeah, F nine, F ten, something like that.
00:01.920: I don't know.
00:01.920: It's going to be here sooner than later, trust me.
00:02.000: So today I have a new guest, and his name is Sam Woodhall.
00:02.000: But unfortunately, the problem with that was running two is that the one for the one at it was 1 p.
00:02.080: What kind of tools and assets or tools and features
00:02.080: And I do think that there is I still think I will say that this last year in Final Cut 10
00:02.160: We're going to talk about Google Hangouts and some of the things that you can do and what Sam is doing
00:02.160: 1 came out in I think believe like December 2017.
00:02.160: Yeah, they call it hover scrub.
00:02.160: I've changed it now, actually, but I will change it back so people understand.
00:02.160: We're on.
00:02.240: It's just a hundred miles round the block and then it's, you know, back to doing it you know back to doing it back to doing it again.
00:02.240: And the first piece of software that I ever got was Final Pro 6 on my at the time 15 inch ABBA Pro.
00:02.240: Yeah.
00:02.240: Your favorite shortcut.
00:02.240: So that's one reason that I love is I can just hit hit eight and everything's on the timeline.
00:02.320: And being a corporate video guy, Call Outs is a great way to highlight a part of your screen and label it.
00:02.320: And that for me was the winner, was the moment I thought, right, I'm never editing with anything else again.
00:02.320: So like if my mouse scanned about from clip one to clip nine to clip seven to clip eight and I'm just
00:02.400: And it's my group I'm hosting on behalf of the group.
00:02.400: Go back.
00:02.400: We don't have to have tracks on a video editor because it's all digital.
00:02.400: It's been great to see the Facebook groups pop up.
00:02.400: Did they have they improved it if they 'cause I know they said they were in the after party they were gonna tweak it and work on it.
00:02.400: So, yeah.
00:02.480: Do you have a speaker on in the room as well as the headphone?
00:02.480: And so I missed it.
00:02.480: Did it within the within like a couple of d uh a couple of days.
00:02.480: And were there so?
00:02.480: And when you try and explain that, it's like, but I just want to insert this here.
00:02.480: So anyway, if you contact me, you know what?
00:02.480: m.
00:02.560: 0 upgrade, and just go hit the download button and update it if you already have it.
00:02.560: So Sam, I got it working.
00:02.560: I can still hear it.
00:02.560: And Final Cut 10 is kind of like that.
00:02.560: I've I've met editors who said I'll you know, I'll never edit on a computer.
00:02.560: just to come on the Google Hangout, which is I find quite uh quite committed to the to the to the group and to to talking with um
00:02.560: You know, there's a few I have learned this from doing as many podcasts from all over, but there are various websites that will you can just type in
00:02.640: Was it August this year?
00:02.640: I don't know.
00:02.640: m.
00:02.720: And so I spent what I spent practically all day that all the days that week
00:02.720: Okay, fine.
00:02.720: I'll actually I believe I might be hidden away from public searches so I will open that up so people can
00:02.720: I've actually funny funny, which is another plug for the for the group here, I have just posted up
00:02.720: And again, you know, I'm imagining the conversation I'm going to have with Scott Simmons.
00:02.800: You know, most of my friends were all in the uh the realm of doing videos and filmmaking and stuff, so it's a normal thing to happen here, if I'm honest.
00:02.800: Yes, yes, yes.
00:02.800: So you had you had to have this workflow where the media on the drive was temporary.
00:02.800: in Perth, if you were if you were wondering.
00:02.880: And I'm throwing down my mic stands and I'm saying, I'm recording a show.
00:02.880: I was going, yes, that's fine, yeah.
00:02.880: I'll also say that coming up, and this is a bit of a plug for myself, if you will.
00:02.960: I want to apologize.
00:02.960: Or no, I said, Yeah, I will join that thing.
00:02.960: I mean, in one in one session we uh we s we spoke about the um 'cause I'm I'm a big um
00:02.960: When you ever make a new library, it pops up and then you can modify your media you know, where your media is stored, your cache and your backups.
00:03.040: I was up I was up until four o'clock in the morning in England watching that.
00:03.040: Very cool.
00:03.120: But if you go to fxfactory.
00:03.120: And it I tell you, I I love what Google Hangout does when you get there, but it seems like it's a hundred clicks to make it work.
00:03.120: It's horrible, isn't it?
00:03.120: And it's I I feel a similar transition is happening with Pharno Co.
00:03.120: And clearly, there's a whole lot that still are on the other side of that fence, and that's fine for them.
00:03.280: I'll try and ignore it.
00:03.280: You can we can have these weekly things where we talk to people, talk to each other and then offer more support that way.
00:03.280: I really enjoyed it.
00:03.280: So I think you should really pursue this.
00:03.360: What is this m what is this black magic at the the don't get me wrong, I'm totally teasing.
00:03.360: People who know me know who I'm talking about.
00:03.520: But this week I was sitting at home and I went
00:03.520: Oh, right.
00:03.520: Right.
00:03.520: I still use tape.
00:03.520: So it could it can range from anything, but you know, the ma the main reason we set up the group is to talk about Thonica Pro ten.
00:03.520: Michael is not available, and I'm told I'm not supposed to say why yet.
00:03.520: And it's not that, it's not that, actually let me rephrase that.
00:03.520: And then I'm going to add a new question to the show based on our conversation earlier.
00:03.600: And so I logged on through my phone because I don't know if people know this, but I don't actually don't have an internet connection at my house.
00:03.600: I think the s infrastructure of the Google Plus Hangout allows for ten participants.
00:03.600: In the group, yeah.
00:03.600: He's going to try and do that, I think, once a month.
00:03.680: He's I just feel like it's always I feel like it was always with the append key, especially it's probably one of my favourite uh
00:03.680: And again, I just want to stress, I've never been at one of these tables.
00:03.680: I really look forward to seeing Sam and Ron Price from Final Cut Editors in sync.
00:03.760: Okay, I hate you for that.
00:03.760: I like to sort of uh be polite with people, I can't stand offending people.
00:03.760: I don't know.
00:03.760: So I think you're right.
00:03.760: Uh and Bill i where is Bill located?
00:03.760: But there wants to be the illusion that Final Khaten is totally simple to use.
00:03.760: I tw I don't tweet much about Fannicker Pro 10 or much about the industry, more of a personal Twitter, but I am changing that.
00:03.840: So go check them out.
00:03.840: What things in ten may doing these weddings and the the long form stuff
00:03.840: I've never understood that.
00:03.840: Yeah, and I was really pleased.
00:03.840: And once they get it, they'll start clicking on things and they'll find more of the power.
00:03.920: It is Friday morning, I believe it is August.
00:03.920: Okay, so that was one thing you said.
00:03.920: And I agree completely.
00:03.920: I just feel as though having it in more places than just one, it's easier and it's quicker.
00:03.920: All right.
00:04.000: And I'm like, what is going on?
00:04.000: And I went to Premiere for a short time.
00:04.000: I can think of a million reasons why it would be impossible to program that.
00:04.000: There's a lot to be said for bringing all of the overlay keys over to the left hand.
00:04.000: There's only 10 people invited.
00:04.000: No.
00:04.080: I've got to turn that up a little down.
00:04.080: Okay, so maybe it's just bleeding from your headset?
00:04.080: On occasion I have when I when I've had to because of client stuff, but uh I much prefer working in ten.
00:04.080: You know, I'm not in a linear timeline here.
00:04.080: And I think it's very interesting because we all
00:04.080: Okay.
00:04.080: And um so we've we've decided to just scrap it and go back to one that it happens at uh ten PM my time.
00:04.080: Cool.
00:04.160: Well, I've stuck in the deep in the deep end here.
00:04.160: Oh, three actually.
00:04.160: So I don't know if you saw it, but Alex has built this magical table.
00:04.160: It cuts into my commute time.
00:04.240: When the last leg of 10.
00:04.240: Yeah.
00:04.240: I was like, Oh, yes, remember you I remember you popping on your phone actually.
00:04.240: So I'll open it up so people can miss it.
00:04.240: It's fine.
00:04.240: Not a problem.
00:04.320: I am recording.
00:04.320: I know Kung Fu.
00:04.320: We want to have you again.
00:04.320: Then there's the people that are like, give me my old 1995 avid keyboard layout.
00:04.320: No, dear.
00:04.320: Well, Sam, again, we'll do this again, but thanks for joining me today.
00:04.400: A lot of times I'll have somebody sitting behind me and I dive my mouse into the bin, the browser.
00:04.400: Um for you know overlay, insert, and uh um and actually there wasn't an append uh which I think is a brilliant ad.
00:04.480: I also want to say, and I don't know exactly how we're going to work this in, but being August now, we have yet another sponsor.
00:04.480: Would you like to join?
00:04.480: It's it's horrible.
00:04.480: It's my opinion, kind of like what you just said, that the keyboard shortcuts in Final Cut 10
00:04.480: As a matter of fact, toward the end of it, I needed to
00:04.480: Yes, Sam Woodhall.
00:04.480: You're all on the same screen.
00:04.480: And for people who are interested in getting involved in some sort of a podcast or a broadcast like this, I want to encourage people to really
00:04.480: I know I work really hard to try and get a show out every Friday and every Monday for this, and I will say that the numbers prove that it helps.
00:04.560: You'll hear all about this.
00:04.560: Sort of, yeah.
00:04.560: And it's like, well, I got news for you.
00:04.560: And if you want to go one step further, I will also say that in the last 10 years,
00:04.640: I got started twenty years before Final Cut 6 was invented.
00:04.640: And are you doing short form weddings or are you doing like the whole, you know, here's the two hours of Uncle Ricky toasting you?
00:04.640: Funico is what you use to edit, you know, on DSLR, essentially, is how I'm trying to say it.
00:04.640: I think you and Ron should set the goal of
00:04.640: m.
00:04.720: And I think I mentioned in that interview toward the end that FX Factory is going to be supporting the show as well.
00:04.720: And I don't know if you ever edit with people with you
00:04.800: But it really, really is intuitive.
00:04.800: I don't understand.
00:04.800: You know?
00:04.800: It was sort of like getting your name you know, sort of get your your name picked out of a you know, at a raffle.
00:04.800: I mean, uh a guy called Bill Davis, he c the last not the last uh uh hangout we had, but the one before that, he was up at five AM
00:04.800: No, no, no.
00:04.880: And then I said, Well, we use Final Cup Pro ten
00:04.880: And then you say, At this, this is the moment in time where I want to make the next thing happen.
00:04.880: I'm going to say just don't contact me on Facebook because I don't look at it long long enough.
00:04.880: And it would have been like ten PM in like Sydney and things like that.
00:04.880: I post a lot of geeky, uh geeky stuff on there.
00:04.880: Later, later.
00:04.960: They are they've been very generous to support what we're doing here.
00:04.960: I'll tell you one of my favorite plugins on there
00:04.960: Um okay, sorry.
00:04.960: But I am looking into the option of creating one on air to perhaps help
00:04.960: Um Greenwich Mean Time, uh five p.
00:04.960: Oh, I see.
00:04.960: I look forward to talking to you again when you get your new mic.
00:05.040: We want to you know you know, bring giv giving you more work.
00:05.040: Let's talk about event videography.
00:05.040: I think the E is a very powerful tool.
00:05.120: com also, because I say it wrong all the time.
00:05.120: com, you will find a download button.
00:05.120: And what made you want to start this whole Google Hangout thing on Sundays?
00:05.120: In the sense that you've been editing on, you know, in Final Court Press, you know, four, five, six, seven in Premiere, and
00:05.120: So I don't do that.
00:05.120: You can have a test.
00:05.200: Here you are.
00:05.200: So um yeah, so it's it'll be a bit of it'll be two p.
00:05.280: I think well I said it took me a couple of days, it took me a week to do, and then it took like another week to get back to them because they were so busy.
00:05.280: Well, okay, how's that working out?
00:05.280: And then the last thing I want to say is if people want to find out more about you or find you online, what's the best way to find Sam Woodhall?
00:05.360: Yes, I would.
00:05.360: There's the ones who are like, I don't need those, I have a mouse.
00:05.360: You had to shuttle.
00:05.360: And we have said goodbye to a lot of technology.
00:05.360: Oh, so it so what time are you then going to do it then?
00:05.440: I said, hey, let's actually do it on Google Hangout.
00:05.440: And that was just.
00:05.440: But you just pick the location, it'll tell you what time and, of course, what day it is there.
00:05.440: But having that in that little window when you go to create a new library and you name your library.
00:05.440: com/slash final cut pro and you look at virtually all, not all, but virtually all of the screenshots
00:05.440: Anyway, thanks again for listening.
00:05.520: Yeah.
00:05.520: So then the next thing is
00:05.520: And then I then I got hopelessly devoted to learning and getting better at it and it just spiraled on from there.
00:05.520: And you start, is it here?
00:05.520: Yeah.
00:05.600: No, it's probably the microphone.
00:05.600: Either that or you can I believe it's a secret group, so you can't look for it directly up on Facebook.
00:05.600: I'm on a I'm on Facebook, Sam Woodhall.
00:05.600: Google Calendar.
00:05.600: Last month, Sam Messman and Michael Garber, big brain Michael Garber.
00:05.600: I think mainly because I can drive there and they don't have to give me a plane ticket.
00:05.600: Exactly.
00:05.600: E.
00:05.680: It's one of nerd, yeah.
00:05.680: And it's like, well, that's, isn't that the prime?
00:05.680: But ten years ago, there is I knew very few people
00:05.680: And it's been a while since I remember kind of teasing Ron when when I first got invited, I said it I think I described it as
00:05.680: I'm not testing it myself because I'm part of the group, it instantly comes up.
00:05.680: Sorry, but it's fine.
00:05.680: I'm I'll tell you, I'm gonna make more of an effort to participate.
00:05.680: He'll never stop trying to make things better.
00:05.680: And they got you know the geography, you know, where that is.
00:05.760: Yeah, here you carry on.
00:05.760: But his logo is about learning, and it's about little pyramids talking to bigger pyramids that talk to bigger pyramids.
00:05.840: And so apparently you have set up this thing.
00:05.840: You're about to join.
00:05.840: Look at me.
00:05.840: And there was something else, and I'm so long-winded, I forgot what I wanted to mention.
00:05.840: Of course you don't.
00:05.840: How how does one go about getting invited into the group?
00:05.840: This menu this menu already looks too complicated.
00:05.840: This is true.
00:05.840: Favorite keyboard.
00:05.920: We had some audio problems.
00:05.920: And I feel like I have walked into your front lobby and the or the
00:05.920: 6 and then I didn't stop learning it until 10.
00:05.920: Load another clip.
00:05.920: You know, like it took me a long time to find
00:06.000: I was saying intuitive, but you're I think you're right.
00:06.000: I mean, when you move, I discovered about 10 years ago.
00:06.000: And who knows, maybe it'll totally fill up this week.
00:06.000: And having the sort of like the set storage locations for the library, bada, bada, bada.
00:06.000: I don't have to go to F9 or I have to, you know, do an insert and override.
00:06.080: They said, oh, we're using Final Cut 10.
00:06.080: I think you need to swoop in and do Google Hangouts once a week.
00:06.080: Yeah.
00:06.160: They had a short foot they had a short uh video between three and five minutes
00:06.160: And I've even said I would love it.
00:06.240: com.
00:06.240: Sure.
00:06.240: So I decided that when you didn't have to worry about making big files and filling up hard drives,
00:06.320: No, no, don't worry about it.
00:06.320: I saw the user group, the live one.
00:06.320: And that's why we were running two a day for the people in Australia and as well as
00:06.320: If I were to drive up and see
00:06.400: And I'm hearing.
00:06.400: 9, 10.
00:06.400: Sorry, Adobe, I don't want to use your word for you.
00:06.400: Yeah, it is it's it's like it's like holding up an old box of photographs you wanted to keep shut it away forever and ever.
00:06.400: But I think to have in your house, isn't it really?
00:06.400: Uh, we haven't.
00:06.400: The appendil is just a little bit more.
00:06.480: I don't know if you've ever tried to edit on tape.
00:06.480: Everything's on the timeline, then I can just start.
00:06.560: So go take a look at that.
00:06.560: Saw it as just Final Cut Eight, essentially.
00:06.560: Okay, so um so
00:06.560: Everybody, every film editor in the world said, I would never edit my film on a computer.
00:06.560: Again, super nerd.
00:06.560: This is true.
00:06.640: Um and then I I just I just thought, right, I'll go learn the base
00:06.640: I you know, my tape my tape to tape system I used to know a guy with an A B roll edit system in his den of his house.
00:06.640: I drive up to Petaluma to to watch uh
00:06.720: Have you had to go back and do older open up old projects again?
00:06.800: Understood.
00:06.800: Are you ready to join?
00:06.800: No, not the one I'm after.
00:06.800: No, it was earlier in the day, and boop, boop, boop, boop, boop.
00:06.800: That fact that we don't have to have tracks
00:06.800: It's great to see more and more people kind of coming to the research.
00:06.800: I think it's a great resource, and it's basically like
00:06.880: I spent a day and now I'm on master.
00:06.880: I can see where how this is going to really improve my workflow.
00:06.880: The Google Hangouts, anything ranges from
00:06.880: Okay, so l let me ask you then if you could uh if you could change anything in Final Cut 10.
00:06.880: So they want to see, oh, look, there's my tool.
00:06.960: Just yesterday, a producer came in and he said, Hey, I bought the loop pack.
00:06.960: 0.
00:06.960: Very good.
00:06.960: I could overwrite the audio or the video or both.
00:06.960: It's all
00:06.960: And then they would save the project file and maybe a few assets created, and then they would
00:06.960: And so how I think having that mod up the library locations for the library
00:07.040: Yeah.
00:07.040: And I may have edited most of those out, so don't go looking too hard.
00:07.120: I think he calls it the Final Cut Pro Virtual User Group
00:07.120: It's not that there's a
00:07.120: I love the fact that they move those over.
00:07.200: I was being teased the other day by somebody saying
00:07.200: I was just going dragging E, drag E, drag E and I was just throwing stuff on the timeline.
00:07.200: And I met him back then.
00:07.200: But with the current version of Fino Cupro 10 you actually have to
00:07.280: Good grief, where does this year go?
00:07.280: 9
00:07.280: Isn't that what you should do at the start of everything?
00:07.280: We've talked we've talked about it and we've, you know, we've said we've sort of said that
00:07.280: Yeah.
00:07.280: Uh I believe he's he's located in oh, I'm not entirely sure actually
00:07.280: And I'm not even talking about the timeline inspector.
00:07.280: If anyone's used Google Plus, you will understand our pain.
00:07.360: I can't just rewind a few moments because I
00:07.360: Right, right, right.
00:07.360: Yeah, I don't know.
00:07.360: m.
00:07.440: And with all the hustle and the bustle that happened with Ten
00:07.440: Just being able to skim all all the clips
00:07.440: And so now if I here will uh Alex Golner mentioned the avid power claw, which is control option command.
00:07.440: And so then when Final Cut 10 first came out, and there wasn't really a powerful
00:07.440: I stopped using tape years ago.
00:07.440: And you know, I will never edit on a computer.
00:07.440: But I think it's going to have to it's going to almost have to be a Google
00:07.440: I think that it's a like I said, it's a great resource.
00:07.440: Keyboard shortcut.
00:07.520: And so this is part of the FCPX Editors in Sync group.
00:07.520: So um
00:07.520: And then they'll say, Oh, wait, wait, wait, go back
00:07.520: They'd say, okay.
00:07.520: There's a Facebook group on there's a Facebook group on Facebook.
00:07.520: Eastern Standard, two p.
00:07.600: But I'll tell you, it's one of the best plugins I use all the time.
00:07.600: There's about a thousand Sam Woodhalls, but your icon is basically Lego blocks.
00:07.600: But yeah, yeah, I prefer that profile picture anyway.
00:07.680: It's like, ah, and it turns out it was like
00:07.680: I tell you what I tell you what I described Fonica Protein to people, is that
00:07.680: I'm a motion graphics and uh visual effects guy as well, so I do a lot of um
00:07.760: Let me think.
00:07.760: There's a whole
00:07.840: And then with
00:07.840: You know?
00:07.840: He's truly a big thinker, and I'm totally impressed with Alex Lindsay.
00:07.920: So here we are.
00:07.920: Check your hair.
00:07.920: And I was like, Right, okay, now I need to start looking at it more
00:07.920: The alarm start ra blaring.
00:07.920: That's true.
00:07.920: Driving around on your phone.
00:07.920: Somebody from oh, Sam Mestman and I, we were
00:07.920: I've got to check my calendar.
00:08.000: I don't know exactly what it was.
00:08.000: It's just a way that instead of typing instead of typing a s situation down on a
00:08.000: Exactly.
00:08.000: I was dedicated, you know, what can you say?
00:08.000: But
00:08.000: Super nerd.
00:08.080: They sort of said, All right, cut that, you know, make it look good
00:08.080: Move along.
00:08.080: And I think if you just go into the little Facebook searcher bar and type FCPX
00:08.160: But I I love it.
00:08.160: It's like more ergonomical.
00:08.160: And I found myself doing that
00:08.160: So, and I think that there was never
00:08.160: It w it would almost have to, so you could at least say
00:08.160: Is that what they've done?
00:08.320: No matter what the room is you hear, British people cannot stand offending people
00:08.320: Yeah, you don't get to do that.
00:08.320: But I believe um if anybody else is actually part of the group
00:08.320: It's actually not carry-on, plug away.
00:08.320: But I think what you're going to find out is this, is that there is a clear line
00:08.320: No problem at all.
00:08.400: But it is PremiumBeat.
00:08.400: You'll download a little tiny app that you put on your machine.
00:08.400: Probably.
00:08.400: Um so the reason I wanted to talk to you is uh Sunday I was going through the Facebook.
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00:08.400: But if it was possible, please.
00:08.400: You know, it was that kind of thing.
00:08.400: m.
00:08.560: And I got to say, I'm really uncomfortable with that word, but that's okay.
00:08.560: Cut of the whole day.
00:08.560: your time, is that right?
00:08.640: So, we want to support what they're doing.
00:08.640: And you said, well, I spent the whole day.
00:08.640: You know, my dream
00:08.640: There is something ergonomic about
00:08.640: So that mindset never happened.
00:08.720: Are you ready to join?
00:08.720: And it was a week before they were about to give me the footage.
00:08.720: We've talked about this many times on the show.
00:08.720: Ask questions and get feedback, live feedback on
00:08.800: So literally I was I reckon it was August
00:08.800: But um
00:08.800: It was like f
00:08.800: m.
00:08.800: I don't know if you know this, but Google
00:08.800: And because of that, I think I know what your answer is.
00:08.800: He's going to say, Yeah, but I've been using these keyboards forever.
00:08.880: And I think when you give up the
00:08.880: That's why I love it most of the time.
00:08.880: Have they You know, I I will say this about Alex Lindsay.
00:08.880: And I think that
00:08.960: Why is that?
00:08.960: my time and it would have been
00:09.040: Well, he was a bit eccentric.
00:09.040: m.
00:09.040: But let's say the more advanced users
00:09.120: It seemed it it's your Google Hangout, correct?
00:09.200: I'm just talking about the regular inspector.
00:09.200: Thank you for having me.
00:09.280: It's fine.
00:09.360: Now, I met Sam over the weekend, last weekend.
00:09.360: I think some of it was his microphone.
00:09.360: Yeah, and I think that
00:09.360: And we just talk about
00:09.360: Yeah.
00:09.360: Oh, yeah, it's got plenty of adjustments.
00:09.440: And I'm going to talk a lot more about it in coming weeks.
00:09.440: Oh, wow.
00:09.440: So to be a part of the Google Plus Hangouts, you need to sort of
00:09.440: Pacific Standard
00:09.520: But um it's one of my favorites because
00:09.520: Yeah, I think so.
00:09.600: Ten people, we believe, yeah.
00:09.600: I am going to be on the next
00:09.680: I'm ready to join.
00:09.680: I just consider it a more league in a league of its own, find a good ten.
00:09.680: Oh, I don't use it.
00:09.680: Because now we're kind of typing.
00:09.680: Okay, so for example
00:09.680: I'm just gonna carry this with me out in the car and prop it up on the dash.
00:09.760: Why?
00:09.760: Oh, damn.
00:09.760: And it just
00:09.760: Throw things in sequence.
00:09.840: You're with friends.
00:09.920: com.
00:09.920: Yep.
00:10.000: Okay.
00:10.000: But um I I was watching it and I was
00:10.000: I think it's a great resource and it's a great way.
00:10.080: So I'm going to put out a lot more for us editors.
00:10.160: Why?
00:10.160: I'm sorry.
00:10.160: And just the keyboard shortcuts inside of tent are so much more um
00:10.160: What would we do?
00:10.240: I'll try and tim it down a bit so it's not too
00:10.240: All right.
00:10.320: Yeah.
00:10.320: So, you know, River's relatively long form
00:10.320: That would be a dream feature for you.
00:10.320: It's like rubbing sticks together to start a fire.
00:10.320: It's just a way for us to
00:10.320: I s again, I stumbled across it because I had
00:10.320: I have to select the track first and then do it.
00:10.400: I'm just going to sit over here and do the work.
00:10.640: Okay, so enough enough of Google.
00:10.800: Well, let's start with, let's go back to the dawn of time.
00:10.800: I was actually
00:10.880: Sorry.
00:10.880: We've said goodbye to tube cameras and the and the
00:10.880: Okay.
00:10.880: Never used them mainly because
00:10.960: And not only that, it's great music.
00:10.960: Yeah.
00:11.040: And we're going to talk all about that and
00:11.040: It's easy to reach up there.
00:11.120: Is it ergonomical?
00:11.200: It's a great way
00:11.280: And Mark Spencer just did an amazing job on that app.
00:11.280: Um
00:11.280: But
00:11.280: Thank you.
00:11.360: But when you give that up and you just
00:11.440: So, enjoy this conversation with Sam Woodhall from England.
00:11.440: You said you said
00:11.440: All right.
00:11.520: Actually, it might be kind of big 'cause there's some plugins in it.
00:11.600: Yeah, there you go, exactly.
00:11.600: Fine, I'll give it a try.
00:11.760: That's the word.
00:11.840: So about how long ago was was that first one then?
00:11.840: I had a rough cut assembled in like twenty minutes.
00:11.920: Awesome.
00:11.920: So that's fine with you, for you.
00:12.000: Yeah, I think that would be great.
00:12.000: And go pyramid
00:12.080: All right.
00:12.160: I think uh I'm thoroughly impressed with Alex.
00:12.240: I think you can.
00:12.240: Yeah.
00:12.560: So after that interview.
00:12.640: And if you
00:12.960: You're actually
00:12.960: Yeah, right.
00:13.120: For what I had to
00:13.760: Yeah.
00:13.999: I've