Episode 46
FCG046 - Grace Kelly & Charles Eames (feat. Terry Fenwick)
Happy Mothers Day! I decided that instead of NOT having a show this week because of Mothers Day that I’d go off the path a bit and talk about art with the first artist I ever knew in my life. My Mom, I think you’ll enjoy this chat.
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- Chris Fenwick
- Terry Fenwick - terryfenwick.blogspot.com - @tfenwick
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00:01.840: Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Final Cut Grill.
00:04.240: Speaker 1: This is episode 046, and this is a totally special thing.
00:08.880: Speaker 1: You know, if you remember, a couple of weeks ago, I did a thing with my friend Tad Wagner, and we just took a
00:13.540: Speaker 1: We just took a slow examination of various issues about being an artist in the world that we live in.
00:21.140: Speaker 1: And today, being the fact that I'm recording this on Mother's Day, May 11th, 2014.
00:26.760: Speaker 1: and I'm at my mom's house.
00:28.600: Speaker 1: I wanted to have a little conversation with her because I owe I owe everything to the things that my parents did for me growing up.
00:39.020: Speaker 1: And hey, it's Mother's Day and it's my podcast.
00:41.820: Speaker 1: So bear with me.
00:43.980: Speaker 1: If you don't want to hear me gush all all over my mom, then you may want to
00:49.820: Speaker 1: Avoid listening to this episode, and you know, later in the week on Friday, we'll have a normal funnel cut grill episode.
00:57.860: Speaker 1: But even if you don't want to hear me talk about my mom, please do me a favor and go take a look at
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01:19.420: Speaker 1: just cut three pieces this last week, all using premium beat music.
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01:36.320: Speaker 1: And that is the end.
01:38.180: Speaker 1: The obligatory commercial moment.
01:40.740: Speaker 1: So, without further ado, bear with me now and indulge me while we go have a little conversation with my mom.
01:52.259: Speaker 1: So, it's
01:52.700: Speaker 1: It is Sunday, May 11th, 2014, and today's Mother's Day.
01:58.140: Speaker 1: And quite often I am recording shows exactly the day before they go live.
02:04.299: Speaker 1: Sometimes I get ahead of schedule.
02:06.140: Speaker 1: uh it's kind of hard to do.
02:07.820: Speaker 1: But today is Mother's Day and I was about to blow off doing a show on Monday the twelfth and I was realizing that um
02:17.840: Speaker 1: Much of what I do for a living I owe to my mother.
02:24.000: Speaker 1: And so today we're going to go off the beaten path a little bit, and we're not going to talk so much about Final Cut Ten.
02:32.000: Speaker 1: as we are going to talk about art.
02:34.400: Speaker 1: And today I'm going to talk with the first artist I ever met, and that was my mother.
02:41.520: Speaker 1: Hi, Mom.
02:42.720: Speaker 2: Hi, Chris.
02:45.120: Speaker 2: I'll hold the mic, don't worry.
02:46.720: Speaker 2: Okay, and you're going to hold it all the way?
02:48.319: Speaker 2: Yeah.
02:48.959: Speaker 2: Okay.
02:49.760: Speaker 2: How are you?
02:50.720: Speaker 1: I'm fine.
02:53.360: Speaker 1: So we came over as we do quite often.
02:57.040: Speaker 1: We all, you know, over the river and through the woods.
03:00.420: Speaker 1: And I brought some stuff and I asked if you would be willing to talk about art.
03:06.340: Speaker 2: And I said
03:08.480: Speaker 2: Yes.
03:09.920: Speaker 1: So we're sitting here up in your den, and I'm holding one microphone, so it's going to be one of those kind of shows.
03:15.200: Speaker 1: So sorry about that.
03:17.200: Speaker 1: I always remember as a kid
03:20.020: Speaker 1: the two biggest influences that any child has probably is their parents.
03:24.580: Speaker 1: But I remember dad always drawing and designing very technical things
03:32.000: Speaker 1: and you with giant canvases painting huge flower arrangements and stuff.
03:38.240: Speaker 1: When did you start painting?
03:42.400: Speaker 2: Oh, painting is painting or drawing?
03:45.600: Speaker 1: Either way.
03:46.400: Speaker 2: Okay.
03:46.720: Speaker 2: I always I think I always did draw.
03:48.640: Speaker 2: I drew in when I was a little little girl, little girl.
03:52.960: Speaker 2: And I always had friends who drew.
03:55.620: Speaker 2: pictures and making um different seasons of your life, things you do.
04:02.340: Speaker 2: Favorite comic strips, you know.
04:04.260: Speaker 2: I think there was a comic strip called Brenda Starr, Girl Reporter, and she was
04:09.740: Speaker 2: Is this working out okay?
04:11.020: Speaker 2: Yes.
04:11.500: Speaker 2: Okay.
04:12.300: Speaker 2: And she was so beautiful.
04:14.060: Speaker 1: That was my mom worried about the technology, by the way.
04:17.100: Speaker 2: And she was very beautiful, and she had gorgeous red hair.
04:21.039: Speaker 2: She worked for a newspaper and she was in the in the Chicago Tribune.
04:25.840: Speaker 2: And so I I read her I read that every every night and I always read it on Sunday because it was in color on Sunday.
04:33.080: Speaker 2: and she uh and she dressed beautifully.
04:36.280: Speaker 2: And she had a l uh a boyfriend who was his name was Basil St.
04:40.280: Speaker 2: John and he wore a black patch over one eye and he grew black
04:44.820: Speaker 2: Orchids and when she would when he would be coming to see her, he would bring this black orchid and she would know he'd been there.
04:53.460: Speaker 2: And but things like that were things I like to copy.
04:56.920: Speaker 2: I they I wasn't you weren't creating when you did it, you were copying it.
05:00.600: Speaker 2: You would draw you'd draw Brenda Starr and you would I would design clothes for her.
05:05.800: Speaker 2: And they were her style, but I would do that.
05:08.600: Speaker 2: And so I used to do all kinds of different kinds of drawing.
05:11.880: Speaker 2: And I loved my notebooks and things I would buy when I get ready for school every year.
05:18.240: Speaker 2: you know, I loved a new notebook and even as and as an adult, I always got a ticket every time I went to a stationery store.
05:26.160: Speaker 1: What kind of ticket?
05:27.040: Speaker 2: An automobile ticket.
05:28.560: Speaker 2: A parking ticket.
05:30.080: Speaker 2: You know, I would go in.
05:31.920: Speaker 2: When we lived in San Mateo, I used to go over at 3rd Avenue or 4th Avenue, and I would go in and I'd say, one hour, don't let me be in here longer than one hour.
05:42.180: Speaker 2: always was in too long.
05:44.340: Speaker 2: But I had this fascination for paper and pencils and and uh
05:50.560: Speaker 2: And markers when markers started.
05:53.520: Speaker 2: Well, I even go through my boxes and just see hundreds and hundreds of markers
05:57.840: Speaker 2: Even I hate to throw them away even when they're no good anymore.
06:00.240: Speaker 2: They're so beautiful.
06:01.360: Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned copying the Brenda Stark cartoons because I can remember.
06:07.440: Speaker 1: as a kid, like at Montecito Union, there was I was kind of a loner nerd kid that hid in the library during uh l uh lunch, but I would draw this one scene from a Snoopy's cartoon.
06:20.820: Speaker 1: over and over and over again, and was Snoopy laying on his uh on his uh dog house.
06:27.620: Speaker 2: Yes
06:28.420: Speaker 1: And I don't, you've never told me about drawing Brenda Starr, but I used to do that the same thing.
06:33.940: Speaker 2: Well, you know, my nickname is Terry.
06:36.400: Speaker 2: And you know what?
06:37.280: Speaker 2: Do you know how I got that name?
06:39.280: Speaker 1: How?
06:40.000: Speaker 1: I do, but tell the story.
06:44.820: Speaker 2: who were and we were drawing a lot of fancy things, and we would we would do things like uh we'd take names like Arakat or Amata.
06:52.820: Speaker 2: We'd draw very dramatic, beautiful women and handsome men, and but always the clothes were big.
06:58.880: Speaker 2: And we would draw them, and when we would make up a name, our new art name, our new artist name.
07:06.720: Speaker 2: One time I drew a picture of Terry and the Pirates.
07:09.600: Speaker 2: He is a very easy faced.
07:11.440: Speaker 2: He's angular, you know, square jaw and everything.
07:14.880: Speaker 2: And I thought it looked just like him, and I put at the bottom Terry.
07:18.620: Speaker 2: And she said, Oh, is that going to be your new artist's name?
07:23.340: Speaker 2: And I said, I didn't want to admit that my picture was not that good.
07:27.819: Speaker 2: So I said, Yes, and so.
07:30.480: Speaker 2: So I said yes, and so I started using Terry as the as my artist name and that summer we moved and when we moved some people
07:39.740: Speaker 2: kids came up to the to the house and saw me sitting out in front and it was a new neighborhood.
07:46.540: Speaker 2: And um they said, What's your name?
07:49.020: Speaker 2: and I said, Terry.
07:50.960: Speaker 2: And all summer I was Terry.
07:53.120: Speaker 2: So when I started school that fall, the teacher said, Do you have any other name you'd like to be called?
07:58.880: Speaker 2: And I said, Yes, call me Terry.
08:01.039: Speaker 2: So I was Terry from then on and all because of Terry and the Pirates, who and incidentally, I never even read Terry and the Pirates.
08:07.599: Speaker 2: But I just started drawing some of the pictures.
08:10.159: Speaker 1: You like drawing the guy because of the angular jaw.
08:12.400: Speaker 2: Face and, you know, some of the other people.
08:14.820: Speaker 2: But but that's the kind of thing you start you know, when you start, your eye just picks up things that you want to draw.
08:21.940: Speaker 2: And you want flare or not flare.
08:24.820: Speaker 2: You want color.
08:26.139: Speaker 2: Color is more important to me than anything.
08:28.540: Speaker 1: Okay, so let's go to color.
08:29.900: Speaker 1: Now again, my memories as a kid were you painting these giant floral displays.
08:34.700: Speaker 1: When did you start doing that?
08:37.419: Speaker 1: Was that before the flood?
08:39.819: Speaker 2: Oh, yes.
08:40.459: Speaker 2: Well, you know, I I you know, I d did some study in art in college in Rockford, Illinois, you know.
08:47.720: Speaker 2: I took uh I took a whole semester, actually a year, and uh uh so and during that time because we do live bodies and and uh
08:58.440: Speaker 2: I'll come whatever, still life and everything.
09:01.000: Speaker 2: But then for the final, they that you were allowed to do anything
09:06.500: Speaker 2: And uh I did big florals, big florals, big big and I did uh uh Leonardo da Vinci.
09:13.699: Speaker 2: I did A Life the Life 'cause I in fact I got A's on that and uh Silent Night and uh
09:21.000: Speaker 2: you know, things with lots of color and big circular things that had to be large pieces of paper.
09:26.759: Speaker 2: And so I always didn't you know, so I did that.
09:29.000: Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, before you were
09:30.259: Speaker 2: way before you were born.
09:32.100: Speaker 1: And um Okay, so then uh and I mentioned flood when I was a kid in nineteen sixty nine.
09:37.540: Speaker 1: Our house was destroyed by a flood, and that's a whole nother story and not not necessarily relevant at all.
09:42.579: Speaker 1: So um so as a kid
09:45.300: Speaker 2: Yes.
09:46.260: Speaker 1: I was I was exposed to this.
09:49.300: Speaker 1: I was exp you know, you you know, besides just
09:53.520: Speaker 1: the art that you were creating, I mean, you alwi our house always looked like a magazine growing up.
09:59.680: Speaker 1: Or at least I remember it.
10:01.600: Speaker 2: Well
10:02.320: Speaker 2: With a design, you know, when when when I was first married, we had we had a two-room apartment, so we bought furniture we had to have.
10:12.080: Speaker 2: We didn't buy furniture we loved.
10:15.700: Speaker 2: And we bought stuff.
10:17.060: Speaker 2: I just think, oh, it was just dreadful stuff.
10:19.380: Speaker 2: I mean, like, if you're going to buy a hide-a-bed, you're going to buy a hide-a-bed, and it's going to be an ugly thing.
10:24.420: Speaker 2: But the very first chance we got where we started buying furniture we loved.
10:30.660: Speaker 2: We bought, in fact, we still have them, the dining room chairs that you ate on today, four of them.
10:38.120: Speaker 2: We bought four, only four.
10:40.200: Speaker 1: And what are those called?
10:41.240: Speaker 2: They were Charles Eames, Charles Eames Eiffel chairs.
10:45.560: Speaker 2: That's from the, you know, the little zigzag.
10:48.120: Speaker 2: And I saw those chairs and I thought.
10:50.720: Speaker 2: Oh, one share I bought before we bought those.
10:55.760: Speaker 2: One of the first really modern contemporary
11:00.920: Speaker 2: uh chairs was uh was what we now call the butterfly chair, but it was hard away chair.
11:07.560: Speaker 1: The black one?
11:08.279: Speaker 2: No, the ones that that had the slings on.
11:11.540: Speaker 2: And we had those really early.
11:14.420: Speaker 2: They look like bats.
11:15.779: Speaker 2: They have a canvas sling.
11:17.540: Speaker 2: And it's on a on a okay.
11:19.459: Speaker 2: Well, we always had those.
11:21.380: Speaker 2: And the first we bought two of them.
11:24.400: Speaker 2: And before we had children, and then when we had children, we used to turn them upside down.
11:28.560: Speaker 2: They used to ride them like they were horses, and then you could put your feet in them.
11:32.640: Speaker 2: And but I love those chairs.
11:34.720: Speaker 2: The minute I saw them, I knew.
11:37.120: Speaker 2: That I loved those chairs.
11:39.440: Speaker 2: And then from then on, I loved every really modern piece of furniture.
11:44.000: Speaker 2: I loved all the knoll furniture.
11:45.839: Speaker 2: So by the time you were born, we had a lot of things like that.
11:50.240: Speaker 2: We had a molded
11:51.459: Speaker 2: We had the molded fiberglass, the the molded uh plywood chair of uh Ames.
11:58.100: Speaker 2: I'm and it's it was striking.
12:01.140: Speaker 2: We had the the one like the little rocker you saw tonight.
12:05.140: Speaker 2: We had those, we had, you know, I mean everything.
12:10.100: Speaker 2: But the big thing is, you start looking at those things.
12:13.540: Speaker 2: And that is real art.
12:15.540: Speaker 2: That is art more than more than Tyrion the Pirates and everything.
12:20.019: Speaker 2: But it's always what appeals to your eye that is art.
12:23.820: Speaker 2: It doesn't make any difference whether it's clothing or or furniture or cars.
12:31.180: Speaker 2: You know, cars are very important to me.
12:33.260: Speaker 2: I have hardly ever seen an American car I would ever buy if I had to.
12:38.420: Speaker 2: I I just never really like them.
12:41.060: Speaker 2: And that's why I love a Volkswagen.
12:42.899: Speaker 2: I think it has the clearest design.
12:45.540: Speaker 2: It is the best looking car on the road, except for the MG, the one
12:52.700: Speaker 2: the the it was a convertible and it was a a dark green of what is that color green
13:02.260: Speaker 1: The British Racing Green.
13:04.820: Speaker 2: And that still makes me sing when I see one.
13:07.860: Speaker 2: You don't see them now.
13:09.320: Speaker 2: But but whatever really appeals, and you know, see, you know what appeals to you.
13:14.280: Speaker 2: No one else knows it, but you'll know it, and every time, and you'll be faithful.
13:19.420: Speaker 2: You know, you're going you are faithful.
13:21.180: Speaker 2: You're faithful about what you like.
13:22.860: Speaker 2: You're faithful about your clothes.
13:23.980: Speaker 2: You're faithful about what you eat.
13:26.220: Speaker 2: Your eye tells you.
13:27.819: Speaker 1: F
13:27.899: Speaker 1: Faith, Euphemism for a pain in the butt.
13:31.100: Speaker 2: No, but your eye is faithful.
13:33.840: Speaker 2: Telling you that you don't do or don't like a food.
13:37.120: Speaker 2: I mean, because it's art.
13:38.640: Speaker 2: I mean, some food is like a sculpture or like a painting.
13:44.040: Speaker 2: You know, when you see when I see sliced tomatoes with with green parsley with I mean, to me, that's beautiful.
13:54.100: Speaker 2: And that's why I like to eat it.
13:56.740: Speaker 2: I wouldn't like to eat it if it was on pretty.
13:58.660: Speaker 2: You don't like it if it gets all messy and stuff like that.
14:01.860: Speaker 1: Let's keep food out of it.
14:04.100: Speaker 2: So as a young kid, food's an art.
14:07.900: Speaker 2: An I'd form.
14:08.780: Speaker 2: Yeah.
14:09.180: Speaker 1: It absolutely is.
14:10.060: Speaker 1: So as a young kid, I was surrounded.
14:11.740: Speaker 1: I lived in this house with furniture that all had names.
14:15.700: Speaker 1: And every and we used to joke about it as kids.
14:18.019: Speaker 1: It's like, you know, also, I have six brothers.
14:21.140: Speaker 1: So when your parents get mad at you and they start yelling names out, they were more likely to yell at the name of a chair that was in the room than one of the kids.
14:28.260: Speaker 2: Yeah.
14:29.760: Speaker 2: And they I remember they always used to say, why do our friends not have chairs that have names?
14:39.160: Speaker 2: Because ours was the Mies Van der Roh chair, you know, the Aerosarin chair, oh, over on the Sarinan chair, put that on the Saranin stool.
14:47.160: Speaker 2: I mean, and but they did have names.
14:50.440: Speaker 2: you know, Bertoya.
14:51.800: Speaker 2: We we had all and they still do, incidentally.
14:55.240: Speaker 2: And uh but now you know their names and you also know that they're beautiful.
14:59.720: Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing.
15:00.680: Speaker 1: I think that you
15:03.260: Speaker 1: So art and aesthetics is not something it it is something that you I think there are people that generally have a good eye
15:14.420: Speaker 1: A lot of times in camera work you t you say that you can't you can't teach framing.
15:19.940: Speaker 1: You can't teach how to compose a picture.
15:22.340: Speaker 2: Right.
15:23.120: Speaker 1: Do you remember the one time I I remember this like it was yesterday we were on vacation and dad had his Leica camera
15:33.800: Speaker 2: Yes.
15:35.000: Speaker 1: And he loved that camera and he would twirl all the knobs and do all this stuff.
15:43.320: Speaker 1: And then he would take a picture.
15:45.140: Speaker 1: And you would say, Tom, there's a power cable running through his head.
15:50.660: Speaker 2: It was awful.
15:51.860: Speaker 2: It was just dreadful.
15:52.900: Speaker 2: It was like that all the time.
15:54.260: Speaker 2: And you know the thing is, he was looking for the one perfect per picture.
15:58.100: Speaker 2: And to him
15:59.420: Speaker 2: He was looking for design for a style of not he was never looking for art but to him it was art you know and he and just even even to have that camera
16:11.320: Speaker 2: was a love affair with him.
16:13.000: Speaker 2: You know, he loved just owning it and looking at it, but it was because it was the best camera you could get and his art form was engineering.
16:23.000: Speaker 2: He was in a totally different world.
16:26.019: Speaker 2: But he did like contemporary furniture.
16:29.459: Speaker 2: He got to the place where when it was time to buy furniture,
16:33.839: Speaker 2: All I had to do was say, I'd like to get this one, or let's look at the rights, or let's look at this one, or whatever it was.
16:41.040: Speaker 2: And he knew what I liked.
16:42.520: Speaker 2: And he would say, Yes, oh yeah.
16:45.400: Speaker 2: And he immediately liked it.
16:47.320: Speaker 2: Something happened to him.
16:48.440: Speaker 2: I guess he decided, somewhere along the line, he decided
16:53.140: Speaker 2: that we were just never going to have just furniture to use, that it was going to be to look at
17:00.620: Speaker 2: as well as use.
17:01.660: Speaker 2: It had to be comfortable.
17:03.100: Speaker 2: You know, the best I remember one time the Knowles sofas were so costly.
17:08.780: Speaker 1: And which ones are those?
17:09.980: Speaker 2: Those are well, we just don't happen to have one.
17:12.620: Speaker 2: But what?
17:13.500: Speaker 2: No, I know.
17:14.940: Speaker 2: But no, I went into the furniture mart and I measured the sofas.
17:22.339: Speaker 2: And I knew they were I knew they were the most comfortable sofas ever in the world.
17:25.939: Speaker 2: They were comfortable for women and for men.
17:27.939: Speaker 2: That's impossible to get.
17:30.100: Speaker 2: And I measured every inch of them, every inch, everything you could possibly find.
17:34.740: Speaker 2: I went and I had them made.
17:36.720: Speaker 2: And they were shipped from Park Ridge to.
17:39.760: Speaker 1: Wait a second.
17:40.480: Speaker 1: You had your own sofas made by stealing the measurements from some designer?
17:44.880: Speaker 2: Oh, because they were so costly.
17:46.160: Speaker 2: You couldn't afford them.
17:47.120: Speaker 1: I mean.
17:47.560: Speaker 1: So are those the ones in the living room?
17:49.240: Speaker 2: No, those are those are Ralph Laurent.
17:51.000: Speaker 2: Those are fairly expensive too.
17:52.760: Speaker 1: But but No, the the family room are the La Ralph Laurens now?
17:56.760: Speaker 2: No.
17:57.900: Speaker 2: Know the living room or Laura Floran.
17:59.820: Speaker 1: I don't know my furniture.
18:00.940: Speaker 2: No, you don't.
18:02.860: Speaker 2: Do you know the black chairs that are in there?
18:05.820: Speaker 1: In which room?
18:06.620: Speaker 2: In the living room.
18:07.740: Speaker 2: Yeah.
18:08.220: Speaker 2: The waffle chairs.
18:08.940: Speaker 2: The parcel on it.
18:09.660: Speaker 2: The waffle chairs.
18:11.140: Speaker 2: No, Barcelonas are in the family room.
18:12.820: Speaker 1: I still don't know my furniture.
18:14.340: Speaker 2: I don't know what the room in the house we're talking about.
18:18.420: Speaker 2: No, the Barcelona table is in the living room with the Ralph Loren
18:23.100: Speaker 2: Chairs and the wasselly chairs.
18:25.740: Speaker 2: Oh, golly, this is we're getting really mixed up here.
18:29.980: Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
18:30.700: Speaker 1: I think I think the key thing to me has always been.
18:33.820: Speaker 1: You know, you like them.
18:35.480: Speaker 2: That's it.
18:36.440: Speaker 1: So here's a question.
18:37.960: Speaker 1: Do you think you're it's different for you because you bought them, but do you think I like them because they're excellent design?
18:46.840: Speaker 1: Or do I like them
18:49.380: Speaker 1: Because I grew up with them and I was surrounded by that.
18:52.980: Speaker 2: Both.
18:54.260: Speaker 2: You had the experience of growing up with them.
18:58.940: Speaker 2: and you then decided you liked them.
19:02.300: Speaker 2: You may not have gone out to look for them on your own.
19:07.720: Speaker 2: But living with them, you began to see the beauty in them, truly.
19:12.120: Speaker 2: You know, I think that's more the way that happened.
19:16.120: Speaker 2: I think it's interesting because you
19:20.640: Speaker 2: Well, of course, you like the names.
19:21.920: Speaker 2: You know the names.
19:23.040: Speaker 2: And you know, there are, I know that our sons have always said, some of our sons have said they go into the offices in San Francisco and they come home and they said.
19:31.440: Speaker 2: I was in an office today and everything we own was in that office.
19:35.279: Speaker 2: You know, their conference table is our dining room table.
19:38.720: Speaker 2: And their chairs are this, and they have this.
19:42.040: Speaker 2: In their lobby they have a a Mise Vandero chairs, the the Barcelona chairs and the Barcelona table and they have the Barcelona couch and and they however I will tell you this
19:52.860: Speaker 1: I notice them too.
19:53.899: Speaker 2: Yes.
19:54.220: Speaker 1: Quite often they're knockoffs.
19:55.820: Speaker 2: Oh, really?
19:56.779: Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
19:57.500: Speaker 2: You know how to tell if they're not you turn them over on the bottom, you can see it.
20:03.179: Speaker 1: You could just tell something about the leather is different.
20:05.840: Speaker 1: Boy, good grief.
20:06.799: Speaker 1: Okay, so so we sound like complete snobs here, but no, this is not.
20:12.000: Speaker 1: This is not.
20:13.120: Speaker 2: This is no, it's color and art and design.
20:17.440: Speaker 2: That's not snobbery.
20:18.960: Speaker 2: In fact,
20:19.919: Speaker 2: You save money.
20:21.760: Speaker 2: We're cheapskates.
20:23.039: Speaker 2: We buy something that we're going to have until the day we die.
20:26.720: Speaker 2: Most people, you know, will be trading their furniture in every twenty years or fifteen years or something.
20:33.200: Speaker 2: We never do that.
20:34.840: Speaker 1: I will say same furniture.
20:37.399: Speaker 1: All the furniture in this house today is the same furniture that was in the house when you were born, practically.
20:42.360: Speaker 2: Not really quite.
20:43.480: Speaker 2: But in the other house in Santa Barbara, you know.
20:46.300: Speaker 2: And um yeah.
20:48.380: Speaker 1: Okay.
20:49.260: Speaker 1: So um I think that this is a fascinating topic.
20:55.340: Speaker 1: It's it's sort of like the uh the nature versus nurture.
20:59.040: Speaker 1: you know, are you do you do you learn something or or are you born with it?
21:06.080: Speaker 1: And I think, like you said, it is both.
21:08.740: Speaker 1: I think that inherently there are design aesthetics in uh that are that are virtually proven.
21:17.220: Speaker 1: If you talk about something like the uh
21:19.540: Speaker 1: the golden triangle, uh the golden ratio.
21:22.340: Speaker 1: Right.
21:22.580: Speaker 1: You know, the one point six three, whatever.
21:25.220: Speaker 1: Um and you look at and you look at those things and you see how they are pervasive through like ancient Greek architecture and
21:33.740: Speaker 2: the circular stairway thing I love.
21:36.460: Speaker 1: Which one?
21:37.180: Speaker 2: The circular stairway that goes up and it it first of all you don't think it's a stairway.
21:41.180: Speaker 2: It looks almost like a shell.
21:43.220: Speaker 2: Do you know that?
21:46.100: Speaker 2: Okay, what is that called?
21:47.220: Speaker 1: Oh, no, it's an actual stairway.
21:49.060: Speaker 2: Yes.
21:49.540: Speaker 2: And they there is one in um uh Paris in um
21:56.340: Speaker 1: One of the buildings of so the the seashell is an example of the golden ratio.
22:04.940: Speaker 2: Yes, okay.
22:05.659: Speaker 1: And if you don't know what that is, go to the website.
22:08.940: Speaker 1: I'll make sure I have a link about the Coleman ratio.
22:11.019: Speaker 1: You know, I did, I don't know if I told you this once, but I did a video once where I built a bunch of templates.
22:16.620: Speaker 1: And even though it was in a I think back then it was a 4x3 frame, I'd made templates of sig this of the golden ratio and I forced everything into this.
22:26.700: Speaker 1: And it was a fun sort of
22:28.440: Speaker 1: Artistic thing to do, and it was just for a silly little corporate video.
22:31.799: Speaker 1: But I think that some of those things are the
22:36.260: Speaker 1: I don't know that we are genetically wired with it, if it is a gift from God that we see the world in a certain way or whatever it is, but some of those things are pervasive in nature, and you cannot deny.
22:49.800: Speaker 1: The consistency that something like the Kolden ratio, I mean, even you know, the thing about the knuckles, the distance between your knuckles tends to be that ratio.
22:58.280: Speaker 1: We are we are built that way.
23:01.720: Speaker 2: Designed that way.
23:02.760: Speaker 1: Yes, thank you.
23:03.960: Speaker 1: So, um tell me and this is just a story I just want to sidetrack here for a little bit.
23:09.720: Speaker 1: Tell me the story you told me earlier today about getting off the plane in in LA and making your connecting flight.
23:18.080: Speaker 2: Oh, well, because there was a picture of me that I posted on Facebook.
23:24.820: Speaker 2: at about being in Mirror Woods.
23:27.540: Speaker 1: Okay, so actually uh sidetrack from the sidetrack.
23:30.580: Speaker 1: So uh I can never remember how old you are.
23:32.980: Speaker 1: Are you seventy-eight?
23:35.019: Speaker 2: No, I'm going to be 82 later.
23:36.940: Speaker 1: Okay, so but you don't look a day over 78.
23:39.419: Speaker 2: I do.
23:39.740: Speaker 2: I do.
23:40.139: Speaker 2: I look a day over.
23:41.179: Speaker 2: I look about 90 now.
23:42.700: Speaker 1: Okay, whatever.
23:46.460: Speaker 1: So this is my
23:48.019: Speaker 1: technologically advanced eighty-two year old mother, Facebook page, a blog, you have friends all over the world that you keep
23:57.760: Speaker 1: in touch with.
23:58.559: Speaker 1: I do, I do.
24:00.640: Speaker 1: I still say that you should do a whole class on teaching grandparents how to use the Internet.
24:05.520: Speaker 2: That would be.
24:06.840: Speaker 2: I'd probably be hard to do because I don't think very many of them would want to.
24:11.480: Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's the point.
24:12.520: Speaker 1: You need to inspire them and show.
24:14.120: Speaker 2: If I saw the furniture and how they arrange their books.
24:16.760: Speaker 2: That's one thing too, though.
24:17.960: Speaker 2: But a the a thing another thing that's a beautiful thing
24:21.140: Speaker 2: It are books on a bookshelf.
24:22.980: Speaker 1: Yes.
24:23.460: Speaker 2: Nothing is more beautiful than to see books on a bookshelf.
24:27.460: Speaker 2: I just, I love, well.
24:29.780: Speaker 2: They just are.
24:32.260: Speaker 2: So back to the let's go back to the airport.
24:36.340: Speaker 1: The travel story, yeah.
24:37.860: Speaker 1: What year was it?
24:38.580: Speaker 2: I posted this picture and somebody said, Oh, you look like a Grace Kelly, so I told you the story.
24:44.180: Speaker 2: Anyway, I had been back in the Midwest visiting my friend, and we were very tan, and we were young and good-looking.
24:50.820: Speaker 2: We were both good-looking women.
24:52.260: Speaker 2: We liked clothes and stuff.
24:53.860: Speaker 2: And when I and I always traveled dressed, we made the children travel dressed.
24:58.980: Speaker 2: They always wore suit coats and
25:04.560: Speaker 2: when when we travel on a plane they had to d we always dress that way for church and everything.
25:08.880: Speaker 2: But anyway, so um I was coming home and I think I had a probably a new dress
25:14.260: Speaker 2: and it was a lime sleeveless dress and it was so wonderfully tan and had this great hat on to travel with and of course gloves.
25:20.820: Speaker 2: And Lissy, what year would that have been?
25:22.580: Speaker 2: That would have been in the early no sixties.
25:25.460: Speaker 2: I would say that was probably sixty f
25:27.760: Speaker 2: Four or five, something like that.
25:29.840: Speaker 2: So, anyway, I we and I'm on the plane, and um uh they came to me on the plane and said
25:38.900: Speaker 2: your plane is not going to make y the connection to Santa Barbara from LA because we are late.
25:45.620: Speaker 2: But we have we're the minute we land
25:48.360: Speaker 2: I'm going to get you off this plane and we'll have someone there who's going to get you to your plane.
25:53.799: Speaker 2: Your luggage will be there.
25:54.919: Speaker 2: Don't worry about that.
25:56.340: Speaker 2: And we've got all that taken care of, but you have to get from one door to gate to another gate, and it's a long way.
26:05.140: Speaker 2: So anyway.
26:06.240: Speaker 2: I got off, the man was there, and of course in the uniform and everything, and he put his arm out and he said, Move aside, please, move aside, please and and as he did, and I'm walking and following him just to keep up
26:18.540: Speaker 2: And I heard someone say, it's Grace Kelly.
26:24.300: Speaker 2: And all the way through, walking down, everybody says, it's Grace Kelly.
26:28.460: Speaker 2: It's Grace Kelly.
26:29.420: Speaker 2: And he keeps saying, move aside, please, move aside, please.
26:32.519: Speaker 2: And all the way to this other because the the message just went from place to place.
26:37.559: Speaker 2: Like, oh, look who's here.
26:39.080: Speaker 2: They didn't have a cart to pick me up or anything.
26:41.559: Speaker 2: I'm sort of glad they didn't because I got it was like music.
26:44.200: Speaker 2: There's Grace Kelly.
26:45.159: Speaker 2: And I thought, oh, this is lovely.
26:46.740: Speaker 2: And I got on the other plane in Santa Barbara and it was all over.
26:52.020: Speaker 2: But it was a great time.
26:53.380: Speaker 2: It was a great time.
26:54.500: Speaker 1: Okay.
26:54.820: Speaker 1: I don't know why I wanted to s talk about that, but it was fun.
26:57.220: Speaker 2: It was kind of fun 'cause I can't tell that story to very many people and now it's on record.
27:01.740: Speaker 2: So, oh yeah, yes, but it's definitely on record.
27:05.900: Speaker 1: Okay, so um so my background of
27:10.160: Speaker 1: or my influences rather of art and furniture and seeing you.
27:14.720: Speaker 1: So it's so you started with the drawing thing and you said you copied the drawing.
27:20.820: Speaker 2: Well, yes, but but also you you you're always sketching and and um c b putting your colors together and literally almost smearing your colors because
27:33.800: Speaker 2: there you know, there's such a technique in art to to make it so that it looks just right.
27:39.160: Speaker 2: You have to learn that.
27:40.360: Speaker 2: You d it it you ha I had to learn it.
27:43.640: Speaker 2: Maybe some people are b born artists and
27:47.240: Speaker 2: pick up a pen.
27:48.200: Speaker 2: I one thing I've never been able to do well is is watercolor.
27:51.800: Speaker 2: I think I am fascinated with anyone who can watercolor.
27:55.840: Speaker 2: and not let it run.
27:58.320: Speaker 2: I have a daughter in love who does great watercolors, and I'm amazed they look like oil paintings.
28:04.080: Speaker 2: And that but see, that's a trained
28:07.120: Speaker 2: That is more than just appreciating art.
28:10.880: Speaker 2: She's developed that, and it's really great.
28:14.560: Speaker 2: And of course that's a whole different kind of artist, I think.
28:19.360: Speaker 1: But the drawing, initially you said.
28:22.400: Speaker 1: .
28:23.520: Speaker 1: Okay, and then you move to a point where you start actually creating
28:28.019: Speaker 1: Your own art.
28:29.380: Speaker 2: Yes.
28:30.100: Speaker 2: And you're doing it because either you've seen something that is appealing, or you want a blue picture here, or you have a wall that has a space, and you decide you want to have something.
28:40.940: Speaker 2: Or you've been in a a a gift shop or a later on, what, in the sixties, they started having amazing things.
28:49.980: Speaker 2: This was a this was a turn.
28:51.940: Speaker 2: For me, when they had Prince, and they had that the nun, oh, what's her name?
28:58.419: Speaker 2: Sister Carita
28:59.720: Speaker 2: who did all these prints.
29:01.560: Speaker 2: They weren't really very sharp.
29:03.000: Speaker 2: They weren't really very good.
29:04.200: Speaker 2: She used she did sayings almost like quotes.
29:08.040: Speaker 2: And they were very but the colors, she had she had some great colors, like she used pinks and burgundies and
29:14.040: Speaker 2: and shades of blue and shades and she was wonderful.
29:17.560: Speaker 2: And we have a we have a picture, one one of her pictures downstairs, which is an original in the front hall.
29:23.560: Speaker 2: And that's it's called The Wedding at Cana at Cana of Galilee.
29:27.540: Speaker 2: And she also has our chairs in it.
29:30.340: Speaker 2: She has the Eames chairs, the Eiffel chairs in it, and she has those around the table for the Last Supper.
29:38.960: Speaker 2: And then she has all of she has the apostles there because she has them all there for the wedding at Cana, and then she has the bride and the groom.
29:47.040: Speaker 2: And someone said to her
29:49.680: Speaker 2: Sister, they did not have Eames chairs when Jesus had the Last Supper.
29:56.400: Speaker 2: And she says, but wouldn't they have loved them if they
30:00.440: Speaker 2: Don't you love it?
30:02.120: Speaker 2: And see, she had this this eye, this wonderful eye.
30:05.240: Speaker 2: She painted a tower in in Boston.
30:09.080: Speaker 2: Just paid you know, they paid her, I guess, to paint this tower.
30:12.840: Speaker 2: I don't understand.
30:13.799: Speaker 2: I have to look that up on the Internet and see what it's about.
30:16.919: Speaker 2: But anyway, but that was a big thing when they started doing prints, because at that point in time you could get a print.
30:25.760: Speaker 2: Well, like the Hunderbossers downstairs.
30:28.080: Speaker 2: Those that is just oh, that is that's a great print, but save the whales and save the seas and the and the the one I wanted to paint the kitchen after.
30:37.180: Speaker 1: Why don't you get a sip of water?
30:38.380: Speaker 2: We won't go there.
30:40.140: Speaker 2: Okay.
30:41.580: Speaker 1: Actually, I want to talk about that.
30:43.500: Speaker 1: What?
30:45.500: Speaker 1: So, a couple weeks ago, you called me up and you said.
30:49.019: Speaker 1: So I'm having it, you know, I'm having a bunch of stuff painted around the house.
30:52.620: Speaker 2: You are knowing that I am, you're not going to get me to change my mind just because you get this recording.
30:58.060: Speaker 2: Don't get people to call it and say, Blue, cobalt, blue.
31:01.740: Speaker 1: Hold on, let me get there.
31:04.620: Speaker 1: No, but I think this is interesting because one of the things that I've learned from you.
31:09.919: Speaker 1: and dad was that when you feel a conviction about something, that you should share it.
31:16.960: Speaker 1: And there's there's certainly a time and a place, but there are times when
31:22.420: Speaker 1: When you look at something that maybe a lot of people would just think is, you know, like, eh, you know, whatever, you know, whatever color you want to have that.
31:29.940: Speaker 1: But I have learned from you.
31:31.940: Speaker 1: I mean, I can remember.
31:33.960: Speaker 1: There's been so many times I've been in somebody's house and I'm sitting there having a chat with them and I notice across the room, it's like, oh, that painting's crooked.
31:42.660: Speaker 1: And I can't walk away from that.
31:45.140: Speaker 1: I'm going to get up and I'm going to, hold it, one second.
31:47.299: Speaker 1: I'll walk across the room.
31:48.260: Speaker 1: I'll go, uh-uh.
31:49.140: Speaker 1: And I get it just straight.
31:50.500: Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm sorry, what were you saying?
31:52.820: Speaker 1: Because I see these things.
31:55.440: Speaker 1: And one of the things I've learned from you is you can affect your environment.
32:02.320: Speaker 1: You can choose things that are more beautiful.
32:04.880: Speaker 1: You can arrange things more perfect.
32:06.799: Speaker 1: Earlier today we were trying to put in this new
32:09.240: Speaker 1: chest of drawers for you.
32:11.640: Speaker 1: And I was like, well, can we move the chair the table three inches to the left?
32:16.360: Speaker 1: And you said, No, it won't be in the center
32:20.440: Speaker 1: Well, and that and you agreed though, but you stepped back and when I stepped back and I realized that every single thing in this room was based on that one lamp in the middle of the middle of that window
32:30.760: Speaker 2: And I realized it almost is, isn't it?
32:32.760: Speaker 1: It no, it is.
32:33.880: Speaker 2: Yeah.
32:34.440: Speaker 2: Do I tell you something wrong with it, though?
32:36.520: Speaker 2: Would you like to know?
32:37.559: Speaker 2: Sure.
32:38.039: Speaker 2: From the outside, you can see the bookcase standing up about this much.
32:44.040: Speaker 2: Which is really wrong because the neighbors have to look at the backside of a bookcase.
32:49.960: Speaker 2: They can't really see it.
32:51.400: Speaker 2: But I often I always see it
32:53.340: Speaker 2: I see it every time I come in the driveway and I think, I'm so glad I don't live across the street.
32:59.500: Speaker 1: But the point of the comment is that you, the thing I learned from you is being able.
33:05.460: Speaker 1: Is realizing that there are things, there are aesthetic things in this life that we can affect.
33:11.460: Speaker 1: So, you called me a couple weeks ago and you said, Oh, okay, so I'm getting this painted and some dry rod and this and stuff.
33:16.740: Speaker 1: And you said, And I'm gonna paint
33:18.919: Speaker 1: the cupboards in the kitchen.
33:20.840: Speaker 1: And I'm like, what?
33:22.440: Speaker 1: Now, they're oak, right?
33:24.440: Speaker 2: Oh.
33:25.080: Speaker 2: It's the one thing in the you can hardly say it, but they are.
33:28.720: Speaker 2: Oak.
33:30.160: Speaker 2: They are they are ugly, ugly oak.
33:34.240: Speaker 2: Actually, they're not as ugly as most oak.
33:37.320: Speaker 2: Either there's something I've been blessed that they are sort of a faded, faded oak.
33:42.600: Speaker 2: They they have no you can't.
33:44.200: Speaker 1: What did you say earlier about and the list of things that you can't stand?
33:49.019: Speaker 1: The oak was at the top of the list?
33:50.779: Speaker 2: It was at the top.
33:51.820: Speaker 2: What was second?
33:52.940: Speaker 1: I don't know.
33:53.580: Speaker 1: It didn't matter.
33:54.460: Speaker 1: It was just that the oak was at the top of the list.
33:56.139: Speaker 2: There was something I said it was really close.
33:57.980: Speaker 1: So you called me up and you said, okay, so here's the thing.
34:00.220: Speaker 1: I'm going to paint.
34:00.860: Speaker 1: I'm painting.
34:01.660: Speaker 1: the cupboards in the kitchen a cobalt blue.
34:04.300: Speaker 2: Yes.
34:05.420: Speaker 1: And I was like Mom, you can't do that
34:09.260: Speaker 1: And the very fact and and so you you experienced this resistance from me about what color you want to paint the kitchen cupboards, but that very resistance was something that I learned from you about
34:21.220: Speaker 1: you see things and you you have a reaction to things.
34:24.260: Speaker 1: And obviously you and I see oak differently.
34:27.619: Speaker 1: But I think those cupboards
34:29.440: Speaker 1: are wonderful.
34:30.320: Speaker 1: I like the look of the kitchen.
34:31.919: Speaker 1: I know I told you I don't like the tile and you love the tile, but whatever.
34:35.280: Speaker 2: Oh, I love the tile.
34:36.960: Speaker 2: It's ken tile, white brick.
34:38.960: Speaker 2: Oh, it's one of the most wonderful.
34:40.880: Speaker 2: I don't think they make it any longer, but it's wonderful.
34:44.560: Speaker 2: Really, it was one of the best.
34:46.480: Speaker 2: It's a great brick.
34:48.320: Speaker 1: At any rate, I think that that is a gift that you give children.
34:52.160: Speaker 1: That is and when you are when you are growing in your career, you learn to appreciate and
35:02.320: Speaker 1: and basically fight for things.
35:04.000: Speaker 1: I mean, one of the things I tell people in an edit suite all the time is I say, you know, I understand that as a producer, you answer to
35:12.039: Speaker 1: A lot of people above you, your bosses, whatever.
35:17.480: Speaker 1: But in this room, speaking about my edit suite, I only care about what's on the monitor.
35:25.359: Speaker 1: Right.
35:26.400: Speaker 1: And and I am going to always be the advocate for what's on that screen.
35:31.920: Speaker 2: And also your name's involved in it.
35:33.599: Speaker 2: It always is
35:34.760: Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it doesn't, but, but, but you will.
35:37.079: Speaker 1: It's not like my name goes on any of my work.
35:38.920: Speaker 1: None of the stuff I do is credit.
35:40.119: Speaker 2: That's true, isn't it?
35:40.920: Speaker 2: Yeah.
35:41.960: Speaker 2: Yeah, you can make it be you can make it junk if you wanted to, but you can't.
35:45.960: Speaker 2: You don't know how to make junk.
35:47.800: Speaker 1: Well, I I will tell you a funny story about I don't know if I ever told you this about uh it was be like 99, I believe, so whatever the 15 years ago.
35:55.400: Speaker 1: I was um I was editing a video for a company.
36:01.240: Speaker 1: Should I tell who it was?
36:02.520: Speaker 1: Tell me it wasn't my microphone.
36:04.140: Speaker 1: No, no, it wasn't.
36:04.940: Speaker 1: I it doesn't matter who it was, but I want I don't want to say who it was.
36:09.420: Speaker 1: And it was a new producer, and um uh she w we were wrapping up, it was like a three-day edit.
36:16.559: Speaker 1: and about halfway through the third day she says, So how do you want your company name represented and your name?
36:23.599: Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh, um oh, I'll I mean, I'll send you an invoice.
36:27.599: Speaker 1: She goes, No, no, I mean for the credits
36:32.220: Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
36:33.579: Speaker 1: And she said, Well, I want to put your name in the credits.
36:36.380: Speaker 1: I said, This isn't a movie.
36:38.380: Speaker 1: This is a three-minute trade show booth corporate video thing.
36:44.099: Speaker 1: We don't have credits on this, and she's like, Oh, you have to have credits.
36:48.820: Speaker 1: I said, I said, You're new to this, aren't you?
36:51.660: Speaker 2: Well, I would like to have the credits.
36:53.260: Speaker 1: Well yeah, it it it's f m maybe it's fine and damn used to tune in all the time on on your shows, Jim.
36:58.060: Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was the TV show.
36:59.180: Speaker 1: That was a T V show.
37:01.660: Speaker 1: I know.
37:02.960: Speaker 1: I know, but that was television in in a in a corporate environment, you don't you know anyway, it was it was just odd.
37:08.480: Speaker 1: So like we were saying, it's it's important to realize that as a a content creator or uh an artist that
37:17.420: Speaker 1: Part of our job is to take all of those influences of our life and
37:25.660: Speaker 1: Bestow some of that upon the work that we're actually doing.
37:29.099: Speaker 1: The trick is, and this is you know, this was brought up
37:33.460: Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago on Digital Cinema Cafe, we interviewed Peter Dippery, and Peter very astutely said something about how, you know, we are
37:44.460: Speaker 1: Artists, but we are but it is not our art.
37:49.660: Speaker 1: We are being paid to
37:53.120: Speaker 1: Help usher somebody else's vision onto the screen.
37:56.480: Speaker 2: Enhance it.
37:57.520: Speaker 1: Yeah.
37:58.160: Speaker 2: Yeah.
37:58.560: Speaker 2: That's what you do.
38:00.720: Speaker 2: They bring you stuff that's flat and you're going to make it.
38:04.440: Speaker 1: Hopefully.
38:05.000: Speaker 1: Yeah.
38:05.320: Speaker 1: I mean, it's very much like hiring a contractor for you know to do some work on your house, and he might have great ideas of how to add on or paint or change this or that.
38:16.359: Speaker 1: The homeowner, and you're the one that gets to decide.
38:19.560: Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're what you were actually saying, though, is that you are doing the art part.
38:26.680: Speaker 2: Somewhere we lost an artist or two in this.
38:29.880: Speaker 2: The thing that you didn't realize ever, and I just am realizing, not realizing myself now, that you didn't know that I picked that color from a picture.
38:41.240: Speaker 1: No, I knew that there were blue accents in the room.
38:45.480: Speaker 2: But you didn't know it was from a painting.
38:47.480: Speaker 2: No, I knew that.
38:51.000: Speaker 2: Save the seas, Hunderbosser.
38:53.620: Speaker 2: Say that ten times and you will want blue cupboards.
38:57.860: Speaker 2: No, those blue cupboards would be.
38:59.380: Speaker 1: No, but okay, so you want to get critical.
39:02.180: Speaker 1: I think in that painting is gigantic.
39:04.580: Speaker 1: It's five feet across.
39:06.020: Speaker 2: Is it really?
39:06.680: Speaker 1: Well, it's at least four.
39:07.800: Speaker 1: I don't know.
39:08.120: Speaker 1: It's big.
39:08.760: Speaker 1: It's big, yeah.
39:09.480: Speaker 1: It's it's a major focal point of the room.
39:11.880: Speaker 2: Black and the black and the blue are the the one colors that stand out.
39:15.720: Speaker 2: But the blue makes it.
39:17.780: Speaker 2: The blue gives it life.
39:19.860: Speaker 2: It's a beautiful picture, isn't it?
39:21.700: Speaker 2: You know, those are two posters put together.
39:23.860: Speaker 2: One save the whales and one save the seas.
39:26.660: Speaker 2: And you can put them together.
39:28.500: Speaker 2: Yeah.
39:28.820: Speaker 1: And I could have those blue cupboards if you would just no, okay, so but but but I mean I love I mean there's obviously blue in the room.
39:35.940: Speaker 1: You have blue
39:38.640: Speaker 1: Yeah, you have blue napkins, there's little blue ceramic things around the room.
39:42.000: Speaker 1: But I think blue is good as an accent.
39:44.240: Speaker 1: I think the
39:45.660: Speaker 1: I think making the cupboards that big.
39:47.260: Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, this is the worst podcast ever.
39:49.580: Speaker 1: I'm arguing with my mother what color to make the kitchen cabinets, and people are actually listening.
39:54.700: Speaker 1: Go listen to something else.
39:57.180: Speaker 2: No, but I think.
39:59.740: Speaker 2: I think that it's it's an amazing thing that I can see those cupboards.
40:05.020: Speaker 2: And I can tell you this, you'd love them.
40:09.440: Speaker 2: But but but you're what you're thinking about is you're thinking about a color.
40:14.400: Speaker 2: I there's so much white in that room.
40:17.040: Speaker 2: The white floor, the white countertops, the room is white.
40:21.120: Speaker 2: The blue is just beautiful.
40:23.600: Speaker 2: Just bring this in.
40:25.440: Speaker 2: Oh, that wood is really bad.
40:28.080: Speaker 2: They're made well.
40:28.880: Speaker 2: They're nice.
40:30.040: Speaker 2: Actually, they're probably fairly expensive cupboards.
40:32.520: Speaker 1: Okay, I think if we don't change subjects, I'm totally going to lose subscribers.
40:36.120: Speaker 2: How about you just cutting this part out?
40:37.880: Speaker 1: We're going to keep something.
40:39.000: Speaker 2: Let's go back and talk about Grace Kelly or something.
40:45.100: Speaker 1: So at any rate, I think I what I would say is that I think as a as an artist, and I'll
40:54.700: Speaker 1: I think that as an artist, and I'm going to use a lowercase a there when I'm referring to myself, I think that I have been gifted with
41:04.860: Speaker 1: Um with the influences and the um and almost the training in such a way that
41:14.120: Speaker 1: You become steeped in these various design principles, and you begin to see things as like, ah, yeah, of course that looks better and stuff.
41:22.680: Speaker 1: And I think that.
41:24.160: Speaker 1: if there is something that you can do as an artist or a technician or an animator or an editor or whatever in this business
41:34.940: Speaker 1: and I'm getting back to, you know, uh you know video and film making is that what you want to do is you want to
41:43.500: Speaker 1: You want to surround yourself with things of note.
41:48.140: Speaker 1: You want to, it pays to walk through a museum.
41:52.220: Speaker 1: It pays to study architecture.
41:54.620: Speaker 1: It pays to.
41:55.859: Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I can remember just as a kid, uh, or uh I guess maybe, I don't know, too young, but being fascinated with Frank Lloyd Wright.
42:05.040: Speaker 1: I can remember I went through a period for a couple years, like everything that he did.
42:08.640: Speaker 1: I wanted to just look at it and you just absorb it.
42:12.000: Speaker 1: And I think that
42:13.140: Speaker 1: I think that those influences you bring to your work in this business, and I think the thing that I want to do on this Mother's Day
42:22.340: Speaker 1: is thank you for all of those things that you laid out in front of me that made my career possible.
42:32.220: Speaker 2: Thank you for telling me thank you on this Mother's Day.
42:35.579: Speaker 2: But it is really wonderful when you mention that, though, that that has made a difference in your life because it doesn't, everybody doesn't pick up on it.
42:44.380: Speaker 2: That's the sad thing is that some people they just it just doesn't hit them.
42:49.260: Speaker 2: They don't see and if they sometimes they're not even curious to know why they like what they like
42:57.119: Speaker 2: You know, I like it would be strange to just say, I really like Volkswagens, but I don't know why.
43:04.740: Speaker 1: Right.
43:05.380: Speaker 1: Actually, that's a very interesting thing.
43:06.900: Speaker 1: And this came up with me with a client of last year where I was asked to participate in creating a style guide
43:15.620: Speaker 1: for their new corporate branding, not for the branding in general, but for video production.
43:22.980: Speaker 1: And one of the things that we talked about a lot in the process of doing that was quantifying aesthetics.
43:30.220: Speaker 1: And so there given the particulars of this particular branding exercise, there's a lot of things in it where you go, Oh, okay, well, if that's okay, I want to do this, but
43:41.620: Speaker 1: But then it it would be very easy to overdo part of the look.
43:46.180: Speaker 1: And so we had to come up with with quantifiable
43:51.180: Speaker 1: Direction on what you can and cannot and should and should not do.
43:57.660: Speaker 1: And it was very interesting.
43:59.420: Speaker 1: But it was
44:02.380: Speaker 1: the the the key thing was that we were quantifying aesthetic principles and just very interesting.
44:10.900: Speaker 1: Anyway, that's that.
44:13.460: Speaker 1: But thank you.
44:14.180: Speaker 1: Thank you for everything.
44:15.220: Speaker 2: Thank you.
44:15.700: Speaker 2: Thank you for being his son.
44:17.300: Speaker 2: My son.
44:18.580: Speaker 2: Glad you were.
44:20.140: Speaker 2: You were planned to the minute, you know.
44:23.180: Speaker 1: That's a subject for a totally different podcast.
44:26.940: Speaker 2: Anyway, it was fun.
44:28.540: Speaker 1: Thank you, Mom.
44:29.580: Speaker 2: Thank you, Chris.
44:30.400: Speaker 2: I love you.
44:30.960: Speaker 2: I love you too.
44:32.000: Speaker 2: And happy Mother's Day.
44:35.839: Speaker 1: So that was my mom.
44:37.039: Speaker 1: Thanks for if you've gotten this far through our
44:40.859: Speaker 1: a crazy examination of uh furniture and uh early you know thirties and forties cartoons.
44:46.859: Speaker 1: Thanks for uh thanks for listening.
44:48.940: Speaker 1: I really appreciate it.
44:50.540: Speaker 1: Um coming up later in the week, we'll have a normal show again.
44:53.740: Speaker 1: Uh but
44:55.400: Speaker 1: I hope you understand that the the little side events that I do like this are all about expanding our
45:05.420: Speaker 1: influence and our just our aesthetic sensibilities because as editors we are more than technicians
45:14.740: Speaker 1: And I think that that is part of the reason why I really enjoy what I do, because there is a whole lot of technology involved, but it's all about the story.
45:23.780: Speaker 1: It's all about
45:25.240: Speaker 1: You know, the flow.
45:26.520: Speaker 1: And that's why I think it's very important to spend a little time looking at art and the world around us.
45:34.520: Speaker 1: So, thanks for listening, and we'll see you Friday on the Final Cut Grill.
45:38.760: Speaker 1: Later, later.
45:44.880: Speaker 2: Mom quieter trying to do a podcast here.