Episode 35
FCG035 - A Premiere User Gets Grilled (feat. Steve Miller)
I wanted to call this episode, "Audio Comes After the Video" because I usually pick something the guest says that makes me chuckle but at the last minute I thought it would be better to let everyone know that Steve Miller is a hardcore Premiere user and self professed evangelist. There's also a healthy dose of “How to Wire a Podcast” in the first few minutes but that is NOT what this episode is about. Steve Miller (not that one) is a MONSTER of an effects based editor. As owner of Steevco in Norther California, Steve travels all over the country doing, among other things, short turn around edits. Steve is also a hardcore Premiere user and I thought it would be fun to chat about his choices and share some of mine.
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00:00.001: For NAV.
00:00.001: and you'd ride on the Apple Corporate bus and smile right now.
00:00.001: And he's currently training people in Hawaii on the island of Maui.
00:00.001: Or, I'm sorry, with iMovie.
00:00.001: Died in the wool final cut.
00:00.001: It's Steve Miller in Northern California.
00:00.080: You know, I got a business to run.
00:00.080: From the Premier timeline and put it directly into an After Effects comp.
00:00.080: Apply green screen key to it, you can make it move, you can apply a color correction, whatever you want to do.
00:00.080: You saw any Vegas?
00:00.080: But it but it would be nice.
00:00.080: 40 or 80 bucks a month, depending on whether you own CC or not, before, or I'm sorry, a CS6 before.
00:00.080: Avid based and largely still are Avid based.
00:00.080: Kind of entertaining.
00:00.160: Hey, welcome, this is Final Cut Grill zero three five and on to d today's episode I am going to share um probably one of the most fun
00:00.160: Premiere and After Effects.
00:00.160: you know, he does a lot of driving um between California and Nevada and stuff and quite often he'll he'll call me you know though, or he'll he'll let me know.
00:00.160: Audio is one of those annoying things that we have to deal with right after the video and and I I hate it and and I had to do a um
00:00.160: I've had in an interview, I called up a good friend of mine, Steve Miller.
00:00.160: hey, I'll be driving to Vegas uh Sunday afternoon.
00:00.160: And another device to come in so that you can adjust them separately.
00:00.160: I can't remember what it was called.
00:00.160: And actually, if you go to digitalcinema cafe.
00:00.160: Uh monitor, and basically it's just a very basic XLR to USB interface with with a little adjustment knob for levels kind of.
00:00.160: Has nothing.
00:00.160: Is your XLR microphone into your Mac and then you pipe that into Skype?
00:00.160: I've got like five old Beringer mixers over here that are doing nothing from back in the old Betacam days.
00:00.160: But I think we do definitely equivalent projects on the post side of things, the editing and graphics kind of thing.
00:00.160: Well, I mean, I am curious though, because now you know and and uh please forgive me.
00:00.160: Well, no, I I would very much like to, but the what I'm wondering is your audience, i i is it made up of people like you who are Final Cut 10
00:00.160: aficionados?
00:00.160: Like, there's a friend of mine, Dave Dugdale, who I'm going to see at NAB this week.
00:00.160: Dude, I gotta cut, get out of my suite.
00:00.160: I contacted him and within like an hour of the idea of having of doing the show, I was doing the first interview.
00:00.160: In Final Cut 8, you know what I mean?
00:00.160: Thing was, the learning curve was so shallow because the way I've described people, because I still have people coming up to me all the time on this last show that I was on.
00:00.160: You know, I am the engine in the car here, and I don't have time to really at the time that the the apps came out, I didn't have time to switch over and completely immerse myself in a
00:00.160: But I'm on Funnel Content.
00:00.160: The stopgap because Final Cut 7 is too flaky.
00:00.160: From Premiere into After Effects, if you don't want to.
00:00.160: Comp that I built, you go in, find the After Effects project, say import, and then it'll show you all the comps that are available to be imported.
00:00.160: Told me I had to export some files to somebody who was using some sort of a new tech project or I'm sorry, NewTek product of some sort.
00:00.160: And then you drag it into your Final Cut VII project and you go, Yeah, that looks a little different.
00:00.160: Annoys me because so the issue is, and this is interesting because so Adobe was about, well, you know, depending on how you look at it, Adobe and Apple were pretty much on the same path of saying we have to kill QuickTime.
00:00.160: Wow, interesting.
00:00.160: And that's why you get such amazing performance out of Final Cut X.
00:00.160: One of the things I loved about Final Cut 7 was to be able to select a clip in the timeline and with option arrow up and down, be able to move it up and down.
00:00.160: Software is all they got.
00:00.160: you know, in a couple of years or whatever it is.
00:00.160: Because they're updating things that need to be updated and they're tightening down all the bolts and everything.
00:00.160: To their quarterly earnings report for sure.
00:00.160: Well, and that's really encouraging.
00:00.160: piece for your website a couple of years back about Apple, and it was full of a little more vitriol than I have right now for the final cut.
00:00.160: are people who are in the business, people for whom forty or eighty dollars is like, oh, really, that's all it costs?
00:00.160: because they've changed the way that they they they you know they they pay lip service to creat to professional users, but I don't think they
00:00.160: It's very willy wonka.
00:00.160: And I got to work with Steven Luxic, who was a guest on the show a couple of episodes ago.
00:00.160: On Premiere by them just going, oh, geez, I had no idea it did that.
00:00.160: Oh, okay.
00:00.160: They look at the job and they go, Oh, I'm going to do this in Premiere.
00:00.160: Is people who continue to use the wrong tool for the job just out of spite.
00:00.160: I'm sure it's fast.
00:00.160: I said, screw it.
00:00.160: They've said, I tried to open Final Cut 10 and they hit your learning wall that they talked about.
00:00.160: but with all the improvements that twenty fourteen brings.
00:00.160: Who are Final Cut 10 fans have said this?
00:00.160: Buy that, I don't look at the five-star reviews and I don't look at the one-star reviews.
00:00.160: Is the product for you, and you've done the research and you've done the homework.
00:00.160: you know, doing the Leo Laporte thing where we listen to podcasts while we mow the lawn or do the dishes or whatever he always talks about.
00:00.160: that I can sit here at my little IKEA desk with my little microphone and my $15 mic stand, and I can share that view, and I can share it with anybody in the world who chooses to listen.
00:00.160: Well, see, that was, yes.
00:00.160: No, I think you remember this.
00:00.160: You know, and we were doing these demos, and I was specifically doing them for, I don't want to say the name of the company because I don't know what happened to the domain and I have no idea what's going on, but we set up this little thing and
00:00.160: For you.
00:00.160: Tapping their foot, paying what at the time was probably three grand a day to sit in that edit suite and get stuff done.
00:00.160: You're a kid out of high school or in college or something like that, and you're making a documentary on your life's work, just the thing that you were put on this earth to tell people about.
00:00.160: Right.
00:00.160: A premiere podcast, we might want to add that to the DCC network.
00:00.160: if there are people who are willing to give Premiere a try again if they haven't tried it already and see if maybe for some stuff they like it better than Final Cut 10.
00:00.160: Flux, and I so you know, I'm gonna remain in the cave right now, but soon I will have contact information for you.
00:00.240: I don't know very much about Avid, and maybe I'll do that episode another time, but every time I get together with Steve and chat, we just have a great time.
00:00.240: Is it me?
00:00.240: And I get you know, people give me a hard time quite often saying that I'm just a fanboy, I'm an Apple fanboy and you know, blah, blah, blah.
00:00.240: and just say, hey, look, you know, you want to talk about Final Cut 10?
00:00.240: Good.
00:00.240: Yep.
00:00.240: I had to do a piece where we actually brought some people into my studio here and had them sing a song, and I had to figure out how to create
00:00.240: The minimum things that you have to do.
00:00.240: And so I was at, you know, so that was, I don't know if you've probably already done that.
00:00.240: That's like a psychological experiment or something.
00:00.240: plug your headphones in, your head there's a balance knob on it.
00:00.240: So, um, anyway, uh, I want to officially introduce this.
00:00.240: Oh, yeah, I only had six hours to do this.
00:00.240: Took different paths.
00:00.240: And so I've multiple times been accused on this show of being too much of an Apple fanboy.
00:00.240: that goes live at midnight Pacific time, and by like six o'clock in the morning Pacific time, now he's in Colorado, so he's like getting up and he's like
00:00.240: As much as we talk about Final Cut 10, there's always like workflow issues and just how to be smarter, I think.
00:00.240: Stupid podcasting thing is so addictive.
00:00.240: Yeah.
00:00.240: I actually called or I think I tweeted Ron.
00:00.240: And because of something that I said, he actually played with it, loved it and totally switched over.
00:00.240: So we set up a time.
00:00.240: He's in Texas.
00:00.240: Hey, would you be interested in talking about what you're doing?
00:00.240: I want to hang out with other Final Cut 10 users.
00:00.240: The rest of the updates and everything else like that.
00:00.240: You know, I didn't have to buy anything.
00:00.240: Yeah, it's probably on the Adobe homepage.
00:00.240: Yeah, exactly.
00:00.240: Than it was when we first started playing around with it.
00:00.240: I mean, basically, they say that.
00:00.240: Brand new metaphor or anything else like that because I had way too much on the calendar to do.
00:00.240: it was so much faster and it was so much more stable and it had so many more advanced features than what I was used to, i.
00:00.240: I can even XML out the projects out of Final Cut 7.
00:00.240: What is it, 10.
00:00.240: But I would imagine that the round tripping and send to send to per uh after effects is one of the things that you glummed onto
00:00.240: You can basically just describe how it works.
00:00.240: Because it sounds like it's going to ask you to find an After Effects composition to put in place of those clips.
00:00.240: in the Premiere Pro timeline.
00:00.240: And there it is, it opens up that comp and After Effects, you make your little change, you go back to Premiere, all these changes are live, and everything updates, even without you having to save.
00:00.240: into your current project.
00:00.240: But you can definitely do it manually.
00:00.240: which would mean that all three of those job folders have to be mounted when you open up that Premiere project or it's going to go, oh, I can't find that EPS logo.
00:00.240: podcast, but proper project organization is the key to any good project.
00:00.240: There are plenty of people out there using plenty of different things.
00:00.240: I don't know, eight years ago or something, and I sat down one day and I go, you know what?
00:00.240: Is it a ProRes file?
00:00.240: It's like a lot of formats don't just open in the player anymore.
00:00.240: Now, what Apple started doing is they created QuickTime 10.
00:00.240: the desktop video player and the iOS video player.
00:00.240: that does all the real time rendery bitching stuff.
00:00.240: I had some pretty serious issues and I had to step away from it.
00:00.240: Yeah, I'm going in for it.
00:00.240: stride since its first iteration.
00:00.240: To previous Final Cut 7 editors primarily, in bringing back features that they did not, or creating features they didn't have
00:00.240: you know, an editor's retreat in Kalamazoo, Michigan on a Thursday night at 9 p.
00:00.240: huge amount of money, they're doing it to sell Macs.
00:00.240: The software to sell and their cross-platform.
00:00.240: just cancel Final Cut altogether, it would not affect their bottom line barely at all, I don't think.
00:00.240: the evidence that you see to the public, it very much could look that way because they're n they don't get out in front of the public.
00:00.240: The Apple corporate rule dictates that they can't speak to the public.
00:00.240: group of people.
00:00.240: You know, we are very vocal and we feel like our voice needs to be heard.
00:00.240: From doing that, you know, like the like you say, I have no doubt that the rank and file guys slaving over the keyboard coding Final Cut 10
00:00.240: Are passionate about what they do.
00:00.240: Buy a Mac.
00:00.240: audience that wants to be heard.
00:00.240: When Apple was that company, when it was a lot for every user in 1960.
00:00.240: Based on what I'm seeing, they're updating things quite a bit.
00:00.240: creative professionals bought Macs and if everybody else just went to bought the cheapo PC if they even had a computer at all.
00:00.240: I'm going to put my time and money into a product that I believe has my back, that is being created for people like me, and I don't want to.
00:00.240: Things are happening.
00:00.240: All the stuff that you're saying that Adobe does very well publicly, I see it.
00:00.240: and he runs a website called, I believe it's fcpx.
00:00.240: They're totally listening, dude.
00:00.240: Well, here's, and I don't disagree with that at all.
00:00.240: They have lost a lot of people, Chris.
00:00.240: They're hiding under rocks.
00:00.240: Some dudes who we hire to do stuff.
00:00.240: To say, oh my goodness, that's just like Final Cut 7, that makes my skin crawl.
00:00.240: It is kind of the industry standard insofar as how other programs approach things.
00:00.240: It doesn't necessarily mean that it's a better way to drive.
00:00.240: You know, it's it's and that brings me to another point.
00:00.240: You needed a switcher, a record deck, two playback decks, edit control, all this other stuff.
00:00.240: Adobe Premiere and Final Cut 10 and Avid Media Composer and all these things running on the same system
00:00.240: And the nice thing is, if I decide tomorrow that Adobe is not the direction I want to go and I like what Final Cut has done,
00:00.240: at the same time if you want to.
00:00.240: Done.
00:00.240: Right, right.
00:00.240: Or, if you brought in an editor you'd never worked with before, you knew with 99% certainty that if it was in Final Cut 7, you were going to be able to use it.
00:00.240: I mean, basically, that has been a problem that I've seen with a lot of people, especially Rabbit Apple fanboys.
00:00.240: But secretly, they're going, well, on this project, it really wasn't.
00:00.240: you know, it was really interesting when when CS maybe it was CC when they added the hover scrub.
00:00.240: Hovers over an icon and he goes, Yeah, well, let's just say some of the other features are pretty cool.
00:00.240: I think when you talk to people that are really into Final Cut 10, and I've spoken with a lot of them now, the speed is not a hardware issue.
00:00.240: It's not they're not speaking about the performance of the hardware.
00:00.240: You hear the phrase all the time, well, that doesn't work with my workflow.
00:00.240: It has to be this way, and if you can't build me a tool that works the way I work, then I'm not interested.
00:00.240: Well, here's what, okay.
00:00.240: And that's why it's I think it's good that we're talking about this on a show that is largely listened to by both people
00:00.240: Always appreciated our conversations.
00:00.240: Constantly, so people must like what I do.
00:00.240: And it didn't allow me to move windows around to where I wanted them or put toolbars where I wanted them or anything else like that.
00:00.240: Yeah, well, no, because that's the way I want to do what I want to do.
00:00.240: I choose the one the best works for me.
00:00.240: Plenty of people out there who are doing extremely innovative things that prefer the workflow the way they have it.
00:00.240: Yes.
00:00.240: Here's the minuses.
00:00.240: Well, and I don't think and knowing you the way I do, you're not that guy.
00:00.240: Easily convinced, and you don't just follow the bandwagon for bandwagon's sake.
00:00.240: particularly intuitive and things that I think do need to be updated.
00:00.240: You know, this is what needs to be improved.
00:00.240: Well, you know what?
00:00.240: And there are some on subjects that I am not well educated on that I listen to to learn something.
00:00.240: You know, you're a smart dude.
00:00.240: And it's such an first of all, it's an honor that people like even know who I am, and they but they wanna they wanna share their story, you know?
00:00.240: And by doing so, we all learn and we all better ourselves.
00:00.240: And all they have to do is slide up to their own campfire and tune in the right channel.
00:00.240: And I was doing demos of Final Cut 7 and Rod.
00:00.240: Was either one of two things.
00:00.240: to be at step ten.
00:00.240: And consult the Oracle every time they ask you for a dissolve or something, they're going to get really angry.
00:00.240: I do pick up little workflow tips and little like shortcuts.
00:00.240: Click this button and then it would play this.
00:00.240: A lot of times they just want to know the what for the stuff that gets them to the finish line.
00:00.240: And you can come to me in about three days and I'll explain to you why you should have listened to me right now.
00:00.240: I didn't tell you this, but about I think when was it?
00:00.240: Actually, it was about a half hour ago, and I said, Currently recording an awesome episode of Final Cut Grill.
00:00.240: Okay, what are the five things that you and I both agree that Final Cut 10 does better than Premiere?
00:00.240: which I don't understand at all.
00:00.240: And basically, he just wants to see me at it.
00:00.240: He does, you know, great videos and he's he's I call him like Uncle Dave.
00:00.240: So it's kind of half of that story, but I agree.
00:00.240: The commentary, because I would really like to see if I'm off base here with the way I'm thinking of things or if people are, you know.
00:00.240: And that's what's beautiful about that.
00:00.240: You can shut up now because we just talked about Premiere for an hour and a half.
00:00.240: It is so touching to see the comments that people leave on iTunes.
00:00.240: Well, I have a Twitter account, but I think you're my only follower.
00:00.240: For you.
00:00.240: Find me at the Post Perspective booth.
00:00.240: Tweet me.
00:00.240: Oh, thanks, man.
00:00.240: And I promise you, this is going to be a huge episode.
00:00.320: Edit a little, which I do a fair amount of.
00:00.320: So, at any rate, I want to share my friend Steve Miller with you.
00:00.320: A essentially like, you know, like in your audio input panel and your control panels, you can select, you know, microphone, built-in microphone, display audio, that kind of stuff.
00:00.320: explore is if I would if I were to continue to this grand idea I have of doing podcasting, I'd probably want to invest in some kind of an interface that has a nonlatency headphone
00:00.320: Okay.
00:00.320: Video, the audio MIDI interface subpanel, didn't you?
00:00.320: Jack in it, and I actually have blue makes something called the icicle, which is basically what you're talking about: only a really dumbed-down version.
00:00.320: So there's zero latency.
00:00.320: But I think I can say this: that I am continually amazed when I'll get tweets from people that are like, oh, yeah, I listen all the time, but I use Premiere.
00:00.320: Posting comments about what I just posted.
00:00.320: For years now, about doing a show.
00:00.320: My intention when I started it, and you know, I don't know if I told you this, but I was sitting in the office late one night.
00:00.320: And somebody goes, Oh, yeah, you should talk to this guy, David Fobello.
00:00.320: I thought I just read some of the announcements just in the last twenty four hours about the latest updates in Premiere.
00:00.320: Yeah, well that was our show.
00:00.320: you know, pick things up relatively quickly.
00:00.320: One of the corporate guys we were working with was there, and he has his own Ledit suite at the company that we were working for.
00:00.320: who I have great respect for, cuts a mean time line.
00:00.320: That Premiere has in it that I have gotten very, very used to, and that work so well with my Bass Ackwards workflow that you
00:00.320: The most.
00:00.320: If you don't have After Effects open in the background and with a project open, it will open After Effects, it will create a new project, ask you to save that project, and then put all those clips and
00:00.320: And so that is live.
00:00.320: You can just go ahead and edit original.
00:00.320: the projects.
00:00.320: Always wondered why we can't do that.
00:00.320: And you want to access, I don't know, maybe a bumper graphic from number three.
00:00.320: Knowing what I know about After Effects, that you are now creating a little virtual spider of connections to all of these assets that are in possibly three separate job folders
00:00.320: It will tell you it can't find stuff, and it will even give you a little file path as to where that thing exists.
00:00.320: These days, it's not the biggest reason why I use what's your biggest reason.
00:00.320: And I worked on it and I searched on the Google and everything.
00:00.320: If you go back, do you remember when I first started using Screenflow?
00:00.320: And yeah, it's a head scratcher.
00:00.320: That was built on A V Foundation.
00:00.320: So Screenflow was the first app that said, nope, we're going to abandon QuickTime, use AV Foundation.
00:00.320: That were that people were clocking at 3,700% faster than the day before because they were funneling stuff into the GPU.
00:00.320: And bringing stuff back that we from Final Cut 7 really, really like.
00:00.320: Well, that's the difference between a software company and a hardware company that creates software.
00:00.320: is Apple is making Final Cut Pro seven, ten, whatever, not to make money off of the app.
00:00.320: And they're very they are Johnny on the spot with the updates.
00:00.320: Some minor and oftentimes some moderate updates to the programs that I use.
00:00.320: updated their software too.
00:00.320: talk well, I guess I do talk about this.
00:00.320: Hey, dude, if I ask you how work is going, I'm not asking you to give me the keys to the kingdom or tell me any trade secrets.
00:00.320: I will say that these people are insanely passionate about making a great application.
00:00.320: and tell about a great feature or a great thing or dispel a rumor that's inaccurate or just plain wrong.
00:00.320: But they're not allowed to.
00:00.320: Apple fan.
00:00.320: I don't want to say egos, but the way we like to think of ourselves.
00:00.320: You know, and if you say, well, lump it, they go, well, you're wrong.
00:00.320: I don't want to lockstep to something that I don't believe is the right direction to go.
00:00.320: There's two sides to this coin.
00:00.320: It's very much I mean, Apple of the 21st century is very much a Willy Wonka mentality.
00:00.320: Okay, now he also keeps track over the last several iterations of the software.
00:00.320: He has had as many as 17 of them be implemented in the next iteration.
00:00.320: That being said, I completely agree with you.
00:00.320: It really needs to be different.
00:00.320: I am famous for cutting people off and stepping on people.
00:00.320: You had to have a room full of equipment and about a half a million dollars at the minimum, okay, to do a dissolve.
00:00.320: You and I, we also have the advantage, disadvantage, of being old.
00:00.320: Okay, they were going to be able to open it.
00:00.320: You know, Android phone.
00:00.320: Is negligible at this point.
00:00.320: And then I got into it.
00:00.320: Always said that Final Katen has a very steep learning curve.
00:00.320: That a lot has been said about the issue of workflow.
00:00.320: Wow, wow, this is amazing.
00:00.320: You know, and it's more than just the performance of the hardware.
00:00.320: And yet, time and time again, I hear people say, I can't believe I worked that way.
00:00.320: I in no way thought that we were going to have a little chat tonight and you were going to be launching Final Cut 10 in the morning.
00:00.320: Is it's a pleasure always to speak with you.
00:00.320: Implies with the way they market things.
00:00.320: Changing the way I'm thinking, you know, because like I said, everybody can have every tool today.
00:00.320: This is the way I prefer to work.
00:00.320: I believe, is more flexible for more people than Final Cuts.
00:00.320: See what they have to say about this.
00:00.320: You know what I like, you know, just to verify that yes, I was right or no, I was wrong kind of thing.
00:00.320: Helps anybody out.
00:00.320: There are soldiers, there are hunters and gatherers, there are carpenters, there are gardeners, and there are video editors.
00:00.320: putting the conversation out there in the public.
00:00.320: kind of vocally.
00:00.320: Okay, and that's the thing, you know, like when I started online editing back in 93 or whatever, when I wrote my dinosaur to work, I asked the chief editor at the time who was there.
00:00.320: You know, how should I do this?
00:00.320: Throw in front of you in this room, whatever way works for you is the way to do it.
00:00.320: Right.
00:00.320: The project advanced, however, you can figure out a way to get the project done is quote unquote the right way to do it.
00:00.320: However, you can accomplish XYZ is the right way to do it because it gets your message across.
00:00.320: And if you're going to be doing it on a regular basis under different circumstances like we as professionals do, yes, you should get more efficient.
00:00.320: I started to try and figure out the why, and I went, I'm never going to use this again.
00:00.320: And with years of experience, more than twenty for you and a little bit less for me, because I didn't start editing until I'd been in this business for at least a decade or so.
00:00.320: You know, we see the path.
00:00.320: Yeah, yeah.
00:00.320: Dave Dugdale is like one of my heroes.
00:00.320: and see how it is.
00:00.320: But I want to thank you for doing this.
00:00.320: Absolutely.
00:00.320: I would like to at least think, like I said, under the premise that we can all have everything constantly, I would like to see.
00:00.320: All of it good.
00:00.400: It's core audio, so it just magically shows up everywhere.
00:00.400: Steve in After Effects is like watching a fish swimming.
00:00.400: And I was like screwing around and I was thinking about podcasting and stuff because you know I do the other show with Alex, the Digital Cinema Cafe.
00:00.400: You know, we it is effectively dead.
00:00.400: The Adobe suite of applications, as most people who are in professional post-production do, it was kind of a no-brainer to at least give it a shot.
00:00.400: And I said, you know, every time I hear that, I'm like, oh, really?
00:00.400: In your premiere timeline, in place of those clips that you selected, there is now a single what looks like a clip, and it is the After Effects composition that's linked directly into the sequence.
00:00.400: You can import specific comps from After Effects projects into a Premiere Pro project and then use them like video clips.
00:00.400: multiple premier projects open at the same time.
00:00.400: You can't, but what you can do is you can import if you want a particular bin or
00:00.400: Job folder one, two, and three.
00:00.400: Yes, yes, exactly.
00:00.400: That was right.
00:00.400: That has so many head-scratching what and you know, kind of things associated with it.
00:00.400: Okay, now in the Premier world, Adobe's like, well, we're not Apple.
00:00.400: Two separate paths, Premiere and Final Cut, and both dealing with two major things: giving up QuickTime and leaning on the GPUs.
00:00.400: Right.
00:00.400: A bunch of us were asking for, and they, and there's a you know, a little part on the website where you can just type in whatever you want.
00:00.400: But Adobe has made paid more attention to the professional users.
00:00.400: A hobbyist, you're not going to want to spend $80 a month on a program.
00:00.400: I see the complaints.
00:00.400: In Final Cut 10.
00:00.400: And so there's the reality of what is happening, which I see is equal to what Adobe is doing, except there's the perception because they don't have the public persona.
00:00.400: I would love it if Stephen Bayes could speak publicly about the issues that people are having.
00:00.400: one of them that I've met is using Final Cut 10 in a professional capacity.
00:00.400: On all different skill levels, and not a single one of them uses Final Cut 10 editors.
00:00.400: I promise you.
00:00.400: When they look over my shoulder and see the kind of stuff that I'm doing with Premiere, I've sold more than one of them.
00:00.400: Today, you can use whatever edit system you want, and the barrier of entry is
00:00.400: I'm astonished that I thought that was good.
00:00.400: Well, that being said, that being said, I hear what you're saying, and I totally get what you were saying about, you know, I had a minimum amount of time, I had to make a change.
00:00.400: I would probably see it with different eyes.
00:00.400: Absolutely, you're seriously one of my favorite editors.
00:00.400: You know, and then the five-star reviews are, I love this, I love that, I love the other thing.
00:00.400: Okay, and because of that, there are different types of people in the tribe.
00:00.400: You know, I understand what you're saying.
00:00.400: The training DVDs at the time.
00:00.400: And I'll give you the exact example.
00:00.400: Wait until you and I have had a chance to look over each other's shoulders for the next one because I think if I were a listener, I would want to hear.
00:00.480: Definitely goes down as the fastest editor I've ever met, and you scare me with some of the things that you show me.
00:00.480: Um oh, uh a crossfire CN crossfire.
00:00.480: So I am I am as I think I said this to you earlier, but I am the combs to your Hannity then at this point.
00:00.480: And so I like that night, the night I had the idea, I got on Twitter and I was like, hey, does anybody know any Funnel Cut 10 users that are doing something interesting?
00:00.480: And we didn't quite know how to react to it.
00:00.480: I fired the thing up and you know I like to I'd like to think I'm I have a pretty I'm pretty quick grasp on things pretty pretty
00:00.480: Still my favorite editor.
00:00.480: Last September, it was the September before that.
00:00.480: Have seen before.
00:00.480: Does some of it, but not as much as Premier does for my intense.
00:00.480: And for people who don't know what we're talking about here, maybe people who dynamic linking, is that what it's called?
00:00.480: set of clips or whatever, you just go ahead and import and then navigate to the project that has those in it, and it'll give you a little snapshot of what's in the project.
00:00.480: Okay, be damned if I can remember it.
00:00.480: Yeah.
00:00.480: As Adobe was building the Mercury playback engine, Apple came out with QuickTime 10, again built on the AV Foundation, which is why it which is kind of like a marriage between
00:00.480: Right.
00:00.480: And I will absolutely say that Adobe is absolutely winning when it comes to
00:00.480: and I don't get any insider information from them at all, primarily because I don't push it, I don't ask, and I even tell them flat out.
00:00.480: Like it's it's you could say, yeah, you know, they're just an iPhone company that happens to have a piece of software that sells Macs.
00:00.480: service them the way professional users want to be serviced.
00:00.480: Nil compared to what it used to be.
00:00.480: Workflow a try and you don't like it, it's not your fault.
00:00.480: Need to need oh, you know, good grief.
00:00.480: You should, because if you're going to call yourself a professional, you should do things the most efficient way that you can.
00:00.480: Want the what.
00:00.480: And we are meeting in the DCC hospitality suite at the Vedara, and we're going to set up a little system.
00:00.560: I usually right-click and pull down the little menu and say replace with After Effects Composition, which is a weird way to state it.
00:00.560: And you can use it just like a video clip.
00:00.560: Is that it is not quick time-based.
00:00.560: You know, think about like I Show You or SnapZ Pro, those two bastard, awful, horrible programs for screen capturing.
00:00.560: In in-screen flow.
00:00.560: But we as video professionals are a finicky, cranky, vocal
00:00.560: We'll go ahead and we'll make a way to change that for you.
00:00.560: It makes me sad that Apple dropped the ball on that.
00:00.560: Fine.
00:00.560: I feel, and this is, and only because I've spent the time to, you know, kind of peer behind the curtain, if you will.
00:00.560: And I can tell you, and I'm this is no word of an exaggeration here.
00:00.560: And that's something I don't think I've ever heard anybody specifically say that Adobe is very comfortable at creating a flexible user interface.
00:00.560: I don't know if me giving you my take on this
00:00.560: There are video editors.
00:00.560: Okay.
00:00.560: Monday morning, you know, essentially, uh, this week.
00:00.640: And that ends up being like the secret to setting up a podcast system.
00:00.640: Output in it because I had an interface, some kind of an M audio thing that I bought a while back, but it was just major latency in there.
00:00.640: April 2014 update.
00:00.640: The writing was clear on the wall that Final Cut 7 was on its way out, so I figured I better start trying stuff because.
00:00.640: Responsiveness and interaction with the public.
00:00.640: I switch.
00:00.640: We don't need it anymore because everyone can have everything and they can decide what they want to use for one way or the other.
00:00.640: We are by nature, human beings by nature, we are a tribal species.
00:00.640: I am constantly amazed at how I get tweets from people from Germany, England, Australia, Singapore.
00:00.640: No, no, no.
00:00.640: So that's actually going to be really fun.
00:00.720: 'Cause I can't hear myself.
00:00.720: You can create a new virtual thing that includes multiple.
00:00.720: It was just like.
00:00.720: No, I think our skill sets are very, very similar.
00:00.720: I was thinking about it as it.
00:00.720: Has that always done that?
00:00.720: However, whatever they did, the Flip for Mac Telestream stuff does not work in Quick View anymore either.
00:00.720: And they have not changed very much between Final Cut 7 and Premiere Pro.
00:00.720: Because we didn't need it.
00:00.720: You and I have talked, being as busy as we both are, we've talked about doing a meeting of the minds here and letting us stare over each other's shoulders and seeing these workflows.
00:00.720: I don't like it.
00:00.720: What I feel to be a fair try, and I don't like it, then I shouldn't be persecuted or looked down upon or ridiculed for not
00:00.720: I'm sure I could pick up Final Cut 10 and I would be a speedy on it at a certain point, and anything would be fine.
00:00.720: When I buy something I've never purchased before, I don't care what it is, pair of shoes, toaster oven, whatever it is, when I go on Amazon to
00:00.720: Let me ask you a question.
00:00.720: Is the kind of stuff that I feel is the next level.
00:00.800: I can only I only hear me in one ear and you in the other ear.
00:00.800: So I thought about it and I was thinking, you know, I had done an ep I had done an episode on another guy's podcast, Ron Dawson, out of Atlanta.
00:00.800: put all those clips into the After Effects project and open up a comp that is exactly those clips in that comp with the timing preserved, with the cuts preserved.
00:00.800: You can then, if you have a change to make, somebody decides the font isn't right or they want it to be battleship gray versus military gray, you can go back in there.
00:00.800: You know, it's obviously the interface is the same or very similar, but I mean the stability enhancement and the speed enhancements and the and the interface.
00:00.800: Apple behaves the way they behave, and they do the things that they do, and we all buy the products.
00:00.800: And let your audience vilify me all they want.
00:00.800: And a flexible work experience in general.
00:00.800: And the reason why it's nice to have these conversations is that there are many people that
00:00.800: Does it drive you nuts when you are listening to something that you do understand and you hear people just open their mouth hole and just a bunch of idiot stuff comes out?
00:00.800: Do you fully understand?
00:00.800: Tuesday evening at NAB, I'm actually sitting down with Dave Dugdale, the one I mentioned, who not only does he use Premiere, but he uses Premiere on a Windows machine.
00:00.880: But Steve is an extremely intelligent guy.
00:00.880: Do I sound alright?
00:00.880: And it is.
00:00.880: And not to mention, of course, 64-bit.
00:00.880: I've had chats with Al Mooney multiple times from Adobe, both at the SF Cutters meetings in San Francisco and also he was a guest on Digital Cinema Cafe like I think the first week even, almost a year ago now.
00:00.880: And I and you know, I'll and you know, I'm told, you know, hey, don't talk about blah, blah, blah.
00:00.880: I'm over it.
00:00.880: So I'm telling you, I hear what you say.
00:00.880: A lot of these editors that I see are either moving to Premiere or they are still using Final Cut 7.
00:00.880: And they are at the stage where they're like, yep, that should be an avid job.
00:00.960: One thing that most people don't realize is like you said, two USB microphones, you can plug multiple audio interfaces into a Mac.
00:00.960: And I you know, I we're kind of cut of the same cloth, I would like to think.
00:00.960: But I think that a lot there's a lot of people that don't use the app.
00:00.960: Yes?
00:00.960: And it was all the QuickTime thing.
00:00.960: Since we can both have the same tools and stuff, I don't think we have to make a choice.
00:00.960: the screen of our laptops has become the campfire of our tribe.
00:01.040: You know, I think they did it last year.
00:01.040: So, when was that?
00:01.040: When you render in the timeline, it renders the After Effects comp as well.
00:01.040: That is correct.
00:01.040: So now QuickTime of Funnel Cut 10 now, back to our show here, is also built on A V Foundation.
00:01.040: And I don't know if you you probably weren't following this, but there were some people that were reporting that that iteration alone, that there were certain processes
00:01.040: So and so much time and energy to put into something that I'm going to have to sit in front of and use for 10 plus hours a day, five to seven days a week.
00:01.040: You set it again for the way their workflow goes.
00:01.120: And I think that definitely was a big impetus for trying After Effects.
00:01.120: That's exactly right.
00:01.120: 1 or 10.
00:01.120: I'll have to find out.
00:01.120: I was like, oh, okay, careful.
00:01.120: You know, they clearly are doing it right.
00:01.120: And I think where we lost a universality with Final Cut 7, Final Cut 7 was kind of like when you send somebody else an edit project
00:01.120: He threw it out.
00:01.120: And that's, and that's very, very, very important.
00:01.120: I would love to do it.
00:01.120: If you don't use Twitter, you're not going to be able to find me.
00:01.200: I got projects to do.
00:01.200: I mean, everything just kind of constantly updates.
00:01.200: And I'm going to I'm making some assumptions because we haven't worked side by side in a while.
00:01.200: Like totally by accident.
00:01.200: And now that they are a subscription model, they need to be especially careful with that.
00:01.200: And your waveform is just solid.
00:01.200: It wasn't as easy to comment on it back then because we're easily talking 10 years ago here.
00:01.280: Oh, hey, I had you muted.
00:01.280: It was like a virtual instrument or something like or virtual sound device or something.
00:01.280: It was like 10 o'clock at night in California.
00:01.280: I say that all the time.
00:01.280: PNGs or EPS files associated with them, you're basically now creating, and maybe you're not, but I would assume
00:01.280: You know, that's kind of the, I mean, granted.
00:01.280: You might have.
00:01.280: So I have one marker where I coughed or something, or I might take that out, or I don't know what happened.
00:01.280: Thanks for having me.
00:01.360: I consider us very closely close peers.
00:01.360: 10 people are ready to grab the pom-poms and the bullhorn and go, rah, rah, rah.
00:01.360: They want to hear, you know, both the pros and the cons.
00:01.440: But I was using Premiere before you were.
00:01.440: I don't have to do a thing.
00:01.440: Well, why don't you get an iPhone?
00:01.440: Here's my feeling on the kind of anecdotal evidence you were talking about.
00:01.440: I can sit here and tell you all the great things I love about Premiere, but I also have some things that I hate about Premiere.
00:01.440: I listen to a lot of podcasts, as I know you do, on various different subjects.
00:01.440: That's true.
00:01.520: We want to feel like we are ta being taken care of.
00:01.520: But I will say that a lot has been said over the last 45 episodes or whatever it is.
00:01.600: Didn't you say it has a headphone jack?
00:01.600: And actually, I think I was on one of his very last episodes because he actually has since not canceled his show.
00:01.600: And I don't either from a performance standpoint, but I do believe
00:01.600: I've actually had people tell me that.
00:01.600: I got many, many years ago, I had a little partnered with a friend of mine to do yeah, right, yeah.
00:01.600: It's like, you know, this is the classic business for the phrase, been there, done that.
00:01.680: Yeah.
00:01.680: You know, things that make sense to me the way I like to work.
00:01.680: Or as long as you've had it?
00:01.680: It basically ran pre-rendered.
00:01.680: And third, the After Effects.
00:01.680: We don't need a script.
00:01.680: And I've known a few people who have tried Final Cut 10, give it an honest try, and just didn't like the way it worked for the way their workflow does.
00:01.680: Because I think the nuts and bolts kind of stuff actually well, I don't know, maybe you know, but I would be curious to see what your listeners thought about that because maybe they maybe they don't want to get to that.
00:01.760: I'm using my voiceover microphone for this, so hopefully.
00:01.760: So you're the one.
00:01.760: So from the outside, you could look at it and go, Yep, they're just trying to sell Max because that's exactly what it looks like
00:01.760: They wouldn't be where they are if they weren't.
00:01.760: I would never think of using a different computer.
00:01.760: I totally agree with what you're saying, that Apple's public persona is standoffish.
00:01.760: So is Adobe Premiere Pro CC, because they're both 64-bit apps and they both leverage the GPU.
00:01.760: I absolutely respect your opinion on stuff.
00:01.760: Efficiency is not what we are talking about here.
00:01.840: And knowledge is good.
00:01.840: Have you looked into them?
00:01.840: 2 or whatever they're up to now at this point?
00:01.840: I'm getting an idea for a new podcast.
00:01.840: And yeah, why can't I export?
00:01.840: And I think Adobe has done a better job of that than Apple has insofar as just image control, as far as PR goes.
00:01.840: And a guy with a tweaker in his pocket.
00:01.840: Release dates, whatever.
00:01.920: Thanks for tuning in.
00:01.920: You said you would check in in another year.
00:01.920: And when you render the Premiere Pro timeline, which they call previews, which is another very it had me scratching my head for a while.
00:01.920: Now, what he does is he uses he makes he has tons of illustrations.
00:01.920: It would be great for Apple.
00:01.920: They were going to be able to sit down to your edit system and work.
00:01.920: And there are way fewer three-star reviews than there are five-star or one-star.
00:01.920: This is the kind of thing you're going to like.
00:01.920: And I think that the reason why it's a valid thing is that you
00:02.000: I go, What are you talking about?
00:02.000: Yeah, they do like tutorial things and they have on-camera bits.
00:02.000: It's just I think Adobe is on it more than Apple is, and they're a lot more evangelistic about it because it is their bread and butter.
00:02.000: You know, trust us, the oompa oompas are working hard.
00:02.080: I didn't bother sending it to you because I know you're wicked smart.
00:02.080: I didn't, I, I, it was a zero risk trial.
00:02.080: At first, absolutely.
00:02.080: Was it an editor or was it a clip player?
00:02.080: It has, it has to, it says importing.
00:02.080: He'd launched Final Cut 10.
00:02.080: Here, here's, I, and I know, I have no doubt that you've heard those kind of things.
00:02.080: For sure.
00:02.160: I guess I have to Oh dude, I I gotta tell you, it took me like weeks to figure out a system that really worked.
00:02.160: Oh, that's cool.
00:02.160: I always enjoy talking to Final Cut 10 users.
00:02.160: So essentially, i I like the way Final Cut 7 used to do it because you could pick and choose and you could literally drag and drop stuff from one project to another and then save it and everything was cool.
00:02.160: And so they just have to keep the the not to s no, that's not to say that Apple hasn't been responsive and hasn't, you know
00:02.160: They're totally listening.
00:02.160: If you decide the internet, if you remember remember back about 15 years ago, it was like, oh, don't don't plug that machine online.
00:02.160: Okay?
00:02.160: And are you picking the right choice at this?
00:02.160: I don't want to know why because I don't want to clutter my brain with this because I'm never going to use it again.
00:02.160: And I just want to go on record one last time.
00:02.240: Okay, okay.
00:02.240: And when I and that was probably the biggest thing, and the fact that Final Cut 7.
00:02.240: And then you can go to a different After Effects project and say, I want this one or that one or whatever.
00:02.240: That is correct.
00:02.240: And then I got over, and you know, you talked about Premiere having a shallow learning curve.
00:02.240: I didn't like what it was.
00:02.240: The stuff that you're doing is stuff that's so above my head I can't understand it, even though they're entertaining and I kinda get what you're going for, or that isn't the way I would have done it.
00:02.240: All right.
00:02.320: It's like, hey, here's some of the cool new stuff coming.
00:02.320: I say that all the time.
00:02.320: You have clips in a timeline, in a Premiere Pro timeline, whatever they are, video clips, stills, whatever you want, even audio files.
00:02.320: And I really wish some of these people were, you know, they'd take the muzzle off and let them speak publicly.
00:02.320: And I would like to think that you would see Premiere with different eyes if you saw the kind of stuff that I was doing with it, like in person, you know, like fly on the wall kind of thing.
00:02.400: X to you, too.
00:02.400: Yeah.
00:02.400: I know.
00:02.400: You can go find the Premiere project, import whatever you want and bring it in.
00:02.400: You know, I talked to a guy, I don't know if I told you this, I talked to a guy a while ago and he goes, I you know, I use Vegas, I really like it.
00:02.400: You know, I do have a few very close friends that work in Apple.
00:02.400: I agree that the level and depth that we can go into nerdy stuff
00:02.400: And that's what Adobe has always done.
00:02.400: And like I say, there are plenty of podcasts that I personally listen to for just that reason.
00:02.400: I had to do a programmed DVD menu one time that had like a, what do they call them, stories or something like that, where it was just like DVDs.
00:02.480: Well, I will say this before we start to delve into before we start to delve into
00:02.480: You can actually if it's not too complex or if your computer is powerful enough, you could actually play across it.
00:02.480: And because I talk to people all the time, it's just like, yeah, I just don't talk about it.
00:02.480: I own them both.
00:02.480: They're basically saying, Well, if you don't change your workflow to Final Cut 10, then you're wrong.
00:02.480: No, I think I might have signed up for it, but you were definitely my only follower at this point.
00:02.560: And you have, and as I kind of figured you would, you totally dove into the premiere thing because, you know, I mean,
00:02.560: It's ridiculous.
00:02.560: This is what is this?
00:02.560: Or, you know, we kind of have to in our business.
00:02.560: Okay, three totally different jobs.
00:02.560: Premiere Pro CC is a completely different application than Premiere Pro Creative Suite 6 was.
00:02.560: I will say this though.
00:02.560: I won't get an iPhone.
00:02.560: I know I just know it.
00:02.640: I feel empowered.
00:02.640: And I think we in it and we you know, you definitely and and and me to some extent as well are in a different mindset about it now than we were at the time.
00:02.640: I remember specifically the project I was on.
00:02.640: If you've been working in an After Effects project and you have some comps from a project or multiple projects, which is actually what I've been doing recently.
00:02.640: Yeah, exactly.
00:02.640: I don't think of Apple as my personal software valet.
00:02.640: There's some things Final Cut does faster, some things Premier does faster.
00:02.640: Absolutely.
00:02.640: I think everybody has to kind of find their own way with this stuff and decide on their own what they like and what they don't like.
00:02.640: But if you've already clicked the button, it would play that.
00:02.720: I was like, dude, you don't even use a Mac and you're listening to this show.
00:02.720: And basically, the only thing they can do, it's like the old commercials, you know, we're number two, so we try harder, kind of thing.
00:02.720: The thing was, when you bought an edit system back then, you committed to it.
00:02.720: How should I accomplish that?
00:02.720: Well, I mean, I think having covered what we covered, we didn't get into a lot of technical detail.
00:02.720: I love this guy.
00:02.720: If you're looking for me, I'll be there Monday and Tuesday afternoons.
00:02.800: A little smug there.
00:02.800: Final Cut 7 did it.
00:02.800: And I was like, oh, wow.
00:02.800: So, anyway, I just wanted to make sure that everybody knew that.
00:02.800: And I will say we have now hit a mark where this is the longest episode of Final Cut Grill.
00:02.800: I know we've been talking about doing this and seriously, I'm totally serious.
00:02.800: We'll talk.
00:02.880: So it isn't just lip service.
00:02.880: And frankly, I talk to people all the time.
00:02.960: com and search for the word guest, basically what happens is I have like a rundown of like, hey, if you're going to be a guest, these are
00:02.960: It's a zombie, really.
00:02.960: I need something to at least get me through.
00:02.960: I'm going to do this in Final Cut 10.
00:02.960: And I'm, you know, I've been editing forever.
00:02.960: And we were.
00:02.960: He wants to see my mind.
00:03.040: If you have time to talk, just give me a call.
00:03.040: That's cool.
00:03.040: No, I have not.
00:03.040: And of course, you and I dibble-dabbled in Final Cut 10 early on when it first came out.
00:03.040: And that's why you have to be very careful when you do those kind of things because, yeah, you've gotten that bit.
00:03.040: There's reality and there's perception.
00:03.040: If you have a decent credit card, you can have a massively powerful edit system in your second bedroom, and you can have
00:03.040: But basically, he said, he has basically sort of kind of thrown down the gauntlet.
00:03.120: Oh, okay.
00:03.120: No, it does not.
00:03.120: You can be whoever you want.
00:03.120: I said, dude, let's just get together and talk about Final Content.
00:03.120: When are you available?
00:03.120: We'll be back next time.
00:03.120: Yeah.
00:03.120: If I try, I'd like to think I'm a pretty intelligent guy.
00:03.120: So I don't necessarily, and I know this is not what you're saying, but other people
00:03.120: When somebody asks you to do step one, do you fully understand where he is going?
00:03.200: And I just got impatient waiting for you.
00:03.200: This makes riveting radio here, I bet.
00:03.200: I mean, they've lost a lot of people.
00:03.200: I talked with James Miller the other day, and he said I started a project in Premiere, it totally screwed me over.
00:03.200: There is a lot of truth to that, but there is also a fallacy to it.
00:03.200: I would love to do that with you.
00:03.280: Yeah, I bet.
00:03.280: And that's why you could like do amazing real time stuff in Screenflow.
00:03.280: I wish they had the public persona.
00:03.360: He's doing a long form doc.
00:03.360: Okay.
00:03.360: They come into Premiere relatively okay.
00:03.360: So you're so basically what you're saying is you are cheap and lazy.
00:03.360: There's no XMLing, there's no automatic duck, nothing.
00:03.360: Yeah.
00:03.360: Once again, I usually right-click this.
00:03.360: And that kind of brings me to another thing.
00:03.360: They're doing it so that people buy the new Mac Pro or buy a new souped up iMac or something like that.
00:03.360: They know better than I do.
00:03.360: It would be great for Final Cut.
00:03.360: We have our mouth holes to speak out of.
00:03.360: That didn't work in my workflow.
00:03.360: Actually, you know what?
00:03.440: And I am using like an external mixer and all that kind of stuff.
00:03.440: Yeah.
00:03.440: Yeah, totally.
00:03.440: I want to address something that you had said earlier, which was you kind of assumed that I was going to jump into the Adobe thing because I did After Effects.
00:03.440: And yeah, why can't I JKL?
00:03.440: I just built my own edit system.
00:03.440: I have had every single iPhone, even after drowning the lab went on my honeymoon after a week after I got it.
00:03.440: It just means it's the way they've decided to put the steering wheel on the roof.
00:03.440: They're both cheap.
00:03.440: But long and short, with the kind of stuff we do, largely corporate and commercial work, local commercial work, we were we lost that universality with Final Cut seven.
00:03.440: I'm sitting here thinking about this.
00:03.520: Is my friend Steve Miller?
00:03.520: There's like three days of work there.
00:03.520: I I believe that wholeheartedly.
00:03.520: But so when you have like an open microphone and people are actually listening, it's pretty addictive.
00:03.520: I mean, it's pretty clear Apple weeds out the bad people, the bad apples, so to speak, and you know, and pretty quickly.
00:03.520: I do believe the metaphors are better.
00:03.520: I call it the learning wall.
00:03.520: But that'll be interesting because he's a Premiere user and he's a Windows user.
00:03.520: And there are things in play right now that may give me the chance to do that.
00:03.600: So it's a lot of it.
00:03.600: I might have stolen it from you.
00:03.600: Yeah, yeah, essentially, but it does render it.
00:03.600: I mean, it was the fact that QuickTime Player 10 is such a terrible application.
00:03.600: So you get those three things, and just a different path that they both have come to.
00:03.600: And you want to improve this and improve that?
00:03.600: And that was disheartening to me when I saw that.
00:03.600: They just don't have anybody to stand on stage going, Steve Miller, I totally heard what you said.
00:03.600: And here's the other thing.
00:03.600: Yeah, well, I mean, I would definitely.
00:03.600: Tweet me, and you may actually get a personal invite.
00:03.680: Well, that would make sense then.
00:03.680: Okay.
00:03.680: And I said to him, I go, Hey, you know, we have a job coming up, and you know, we need about three or four final katena editors.
00:03.680: And there's a few people I can actually have this conversation with.
00:03.680: It's one of the easiest things that we can do to make our world a lot smaller.
00:03.680: And it does bother me.
00:03.680: And you know, you are the king of the keyboard shortcut.
00:03.680: He's a monster.
00:03.760: 10.
00:03.760: Because the iOS is built on AV Foundation and always has been.
00:03.760: I'll give you a good example.
00:03.760: Or wow, that's just like Final Kiss VII.
00:03.760: And I'm looking at the wa audio waveform of the recording, which by the way, I do in Adobe Audition.
00:03.760: On the last episode of Fun of the Grill, we spoke with Christopher Hawkings from Australia.
00:03.760: Well, and the feeling's mutual for sure.
00:03.760: This is the kind of thing you probably won't.
00:03.760: And he runs such a tight ship.
00:03.760: So leave your comments for Steve.
00:03.840: Now, anybody who knows Steve Miller from the San Francisco Bay Area, you will know that currently Steve is a hardcore Premiere user.
00:03.840: X to you, dude.
00:03.840: That's cool.
00:03.840: It is the hot ticket way to do it.
00:03.840: So, what's it?
00:03.840: For instance, they just did this.
00:03.840: tv.
00:03.840: But and I've told you this many times, it needs to be different.
00:03.840: The people that you're dealing with, not one of them is using Final Cut 10.
00:03.840: Awesome.
00:03.920: You know, it's just like, I mean, you know me.
00:03.920: The other neat thing you can do is you don't have to send stuff directly
00:03.920: You know, you said something, you just said that, I can't remember how you said it.
00:03.920: I totally agree with you.
00:03.920: And he said, six days into it, I was 12 days into my edit.
00:03.920: So, the workflow thing, a lot of us want to sit here and say, this is me, this is the way I work.
00:03.920: However, I will say this
00:04.000: You know, it was so radically different from Final Cut 7 that we were, I think everybody was kind of in shock.
00:04.000: I totally agree.
00:04.000: 1, yeah.
00:04.000: Well, I take that back.
00:04.000: I think you and I had lived so long with all of the gamma shift issues that QuickTime created and how you would kick something out of After Effects.
00:04.000: And that's why I think so many people have said not not a lot of people, but I have had a few complaints that say, you know, I'm a little too much of a fanboy, a little too much of a Final Caten fanboy.
00:04.000: Actually, I think the reason, Steve, you have a Twitter account is I made that Twitter account.
00:04.080: Because I basically suck at doing this.
00:04.080: He knows his craft.
00:04.080: Part of what you hear is what is being fed to the microphone or fed from the computer, and part of what you hear is your microphone directly.
00:04.080: It doesn't, you know, it'll still run and it kind of looks like it used to, but it's like, you know, pieces are falling off of it and it doesn't quite move as fast as it used to.
00:04.080: So that coupled with the fact that I already owned a
00:04.080: I don't understand why Premiere doesn't do it.
00:04.080: Okay, so you do your little import thing.
00:04.080: And not to mention back at I guess it was ten point zero eight, I believe maybe, when they said when they funneled all of the rendering over to the GPUs.
00:04.080: You know, there, Apple, as opposed to Apple gives you this kind of: here's our product, like it or lump it.
00:04.080: And they make money with the apps.
00:04.080: Exactly.
00:04.080: And uh, so and I will be, you know, deep into NAB at that point.
00:04.080: I usually do a separate little recording thing.
00:04.160: Let's talk with the premiere user.
00:04.160: Something like that.
00:04.160: Have you gotten this thing where they have the little status bar going across?
00:04.160: You know, it's just, you know, it's like, you know, and it's, and, you know, it's like, oh, I hate this.
00:04.160: You do analyze these things, and for you, you believe that Final Cut 10 is the
00:04.160: How do I find that now?
00:04.240: Maybe it's not.
00:04.240: Rarely does a week go by where I don't see at least
00:04.240: It was kind of the universal tool for everything, with the exception of markets like Los Angeles and New York, where there was still
00:04.320: Knowledge is empowering.
00:04.320: And he's no, he's not that Steve Miller, totally different Steve Miller.
00:04.320: It's like trying to be coherent while hearing yourself delayed by half a second in your ear.
00:04.320: Dude, you'd be amazed.
00:04.320: Well, okay.
00:04.320: As a matter of fact, somebody I just talked to, oh, Chris Christopher Hawking from Australia, Late Night Films.
00:04.320: They're talking about general workflow things.
00:04.320: So, in regards to the workflow thing, so many people have said to me, when I look back at the way I was working,
00:04.320: What I really, what I want to do is the three-star reviews where you go, okay.
00:04.320: And every time I sit down and I talk with you, I hear about our tribe from a different perspective.
00:04.400: Today's the day I'm going to figure out this gamma thing.
00:04.400: Because I did it by habit, by force of habit.
00:04.400: Well, they've made that just like Final Cut has made mass.
00:04.400: You know, we got a little thing going over here.
00:04.480: Yeah, 10.
00:04.480: Dynamic linking.
00:04.480: We don't have to call it QuickTime.
00:04.480: It's the way we're going, it's the way the industry's going, and that's it.
00:04.480: I just switch from one to the other.
00:04.480: I couldn't use it.
00:04.480: And then I opened Premiere, and wow, it was like all the stuff I love about Final Cut 7.
00:04.480: Well, but that's the thing, Chris.
00:04.480: So I would try, you know, because I know you, I would trust you.
00:04.480: But when you're in a business and you're just getting you need to accomplish this stuff, or you don't even have to be in a business.
00:04.480: So there.
00:04.560: It's one of the ways I considered setting all of this stuff up.
00:04.560: So that's what I mean.
00:04.560: And then your audio, you monitor Skype out to the Shure device also.
00:04.560: Like midnight there?
00:04.560: Unfortunately.
00:04.560: There's got to be a list of stuff someplace.
00:04.560: No, I think what we should do, you know, because we we can do anything we want.
00:04.560: And I made some comment about, oh, yeah, every time I open up Final Cut seven, I feel like, you know, I I'm visiting a museum.
00:04.560: He's not alone.
00:04.560: I have said this many times, and I'm going to go out on a limb here, very short limb, because I pretty much know the answer to this.
00:04.560: Um and right about then was when you were like
00:04.560: But I think that's the difference.
00:04.560: And I think that's the reason why I think podcasting just in general is such a mind blowing thing.
00:04.560: Yeah.
00:04.560: And he said, There are five, six, seven different ways to accomplish any one thing that they're going to
00:04.560: And, you know, I'll narrate and I'll explain what I'm doing.
00:04.640: I was like, Oh, that's a show.
00:04.640: How many years ago was that?
00:04.640: That was like the holy cow moment that I had.
00:04.640: You know, that's a lot of money to you.
00:04.640: You know, and stuff.
00:04.640: Everything has always been infinitely customizable.
00:04.640: I go, I hope this doesn't sound condescending because it is I don't mean to be condescending at all.
00:04.720: I'm available now.
00:04.720: Dude, you sell yourself short.
00:04.720: Probably did.
00:04.720: So it's been about a year and a half.
00:04.720: And then all of a sudden I realized, oh, it can't be fixed.
00:04.720: And Apple was like, yeah, that's okay.
00:04.720: When you're a company like Apple and you're forbidden,
00:04.720: But that's just not the company that Apple is today.
00:04.720: You've talked to people who have said that.
00:04.720: I would love to carve out the time.
00:04.800: So, um, basically, there's a thing made by Shure called an X2U.
00:04.800: Right.
00:04.800: Yes.
00:04.800: They're in the business of servicing professional users.
00:04.800: But here's the thing: if I have money to spend and I have
00:04.800: And this is the other thing that frustrates me: is a lot of people always praise Final Cut 10 for being so fast.
00:04.800: I look at the three-star reviews because those are the people who are going to be saying, Okay
00:04.800: Well, for those listening at home, DVDs were these things that you can now use as coasters.
00:04.800: Back then, I think it was 6 or maybe Final Cut Classic, as you've called it.
00:04.800: Like everybody likes Uncle Dave.
00:04.800: So, anyway, thanks, Steve, and thank you for listening.
00:04.880: That's why you went to shore.
00:04.880: I'll revisit this in a year and see how I feel about it.
00:04.880: Premiere does it.
00:04.880: You know, he he I mean, if you said you were going to do a
00:04.880: They are just all over it.
00:04.880: And on Richard's website, he has a list of like the top hundred things he would like to see changed.
00:04.960: Yeah.
00:04.960: I've known Steve since about, I don't know, probably around the year 2000 or so.
00:04.960: I it's been a big year for me and you know this.
00:04.960: And so I thought, why not just record them?
00:04.960: 1.
00:04.960: Yep, that's going to be a Final Cut 10 job.
00:04.960: It doesn't work in my workflow.
00:04.960: And it's funny because I don't know if you remember this.
00:04.960: Efficient.
00:05.040: No, it sounds fine.
00:05.040: Because you know, as you know, driving in the car is a great time to talk.
00:05.040: Because you use like one device to go out,
00:05.040: But it has a headphone jack on it.
00:05.040: I probably would be that guy, frankly.
00:05.040: I know people that would love to get in front of audiences every single week.
00:05.040: It's like, dude, it's so nice to be able to just talk about this publicly without the fear of somebody looking down on me like I have leprosy or something.
00:05.040: And so many people have kind of gone, it's wonderful.
00:05.040: I'm going to say Steve Miller is a monster at a keyboard.
00:05.040: Yes, there's six ways to do it, but I promise you, one of them is going to end up being more efficient.
00:05.040: And then if you got to the end of this, it would go here, but unless you've watched this first and all this other stuff.
00:05.120: Right, right.
00:05.120: You have to get over the wall, but when you get over the wall, it's downhill all the way.
00:05.120: Yeah, and I think the way we are, I mean, let's face it, you and I, we do the same stuff quite often.
00:05.120: All you people that say I'm a Final Cut fanboy.
00:05.120: Tell your friends, share the word.
00:05.200: No.
00:05.200: Edit original on the clip that's in the Premiere Pro timeline.
00:05.200: Now, job one is the one that you're currently working on, but you want to access a lower third design from number two.
00:05.200: Yes.
00:05.200: I don't remember which version of Premiere
00:05.200: And it's a shame that the corporate culture is just so tight-lipped.
00:05.200: You know, but I but that's the one-star reviews.
00:05.280: And basically, what I did was I created a virtual device that had two USB microphones attached to it.
00:05.280: You get you get more into the production and directing end of things, whereas I probably get more into the writing and producing end of things maybe.
00:05.280: I mean, I bought that and I played around with it and everything, and there's plenty to like.
00:05.280: I don't want to get off on that.
00:05.280: First, it was cheap.
00:05.280: Dynamic link in there.
00:05.280: And I got to tell you, man, this guy is a monster Final Cut 10 user.
00:05.280: Well, I don't want anything to be like Final Cut 7 anyway.
00:05.280: And maybe I should have said that an hour ago.
00:05.280: And they just were kind of like, my brain doesn't work that way.
00:05.280: You were talking about the anecdotal evidence.
00:05.360: Get out from behind the table.
00:05.360: Oh, interesting.
00:05.360: No, I bet I was out of the office all day today.
00:05.360: I know, I know.
00:05.360: It does not create a discrete movie.
00:05.360: So Screenflow, one of the first third-party apps that I know of, and I could have this completely wrong, I'm sorry, but it's the first one that I noticed.
00:05.360: Yeah, you know, like back in the mid nineties and stuff.
00:05.360: I think you're spot on with that.
00:05.360: I don't, and it's not that I couldn't learn it if all of a sudden Adobe went bankrupt and there was no other way to edit.
00:05.360: Not anymore.
00:05.440: It's XLR in, so you plug it into any microphone you own.
00:05.440: He's like, Yeah, I'm at the office working.
00:05.440: Normally, I didn't see Creative, so it didn't give me any notifications that I needed any updates today.
00:05.440: Of course.
00:05.440: When you go back to Premiere,
00:05.440: Nice.
00:05.440: The other thing, have you noticed that Quick Look doesn't work on most files now?
00:05.440: But Adobe says the exact opposite.
00:05.440: You asking for this feature?
00:05.440: You don't get to talk to them.
00:05.440: But I hate this and I hate that.
00:05.440: You know, it wasn't, we didn't have a comment section on the website.
00:05.520: I'm so sorry to bring you down to my level.
00:05.520: I mean, the guy must be a vampire.
00:05.520: Yes.
00:05.520: We do whatever we want.
00:05.520: And I love Apple too.
00:05.520: And I like the way things are laid out.
00:05.520: Okay.
00:05.600: He knows his tool.
00:05.600: There's plenty of people out there who are still using it.
00:05.600: Yes, it it is.
00:05.600: Yeah, just bring it into screen flow, it'll be fine.
00:05.600: We want to feel like our voice is being heard.
00:05.600: This is actually quite interesting, and I think I've mentioned this on the show before.
00:05.600: I do travel a lot.
00:05.600: Right.
00:05.600: That's why I started this show, because the Final Cut 10 editors that are out there
00:05.600: But, you know, if you can, if this is the way you want to work, then this is a great tool for you.
00:05.600: In my Twitter thing.
00:05.680: I think you're faster than me, but you know, we're kind of come from the same tribe, if you will.
00:05.680: But what I wanted to do.
00:05.680: No, it was an editor.
00:05.680: Which, by the way, QuickTime 10 does do now, JKL.
00:05.680: I would love to have
00:05.680: There's nobody that's ever been on this show that can keep up with me.
00:05.680: And we remember when, in order to do the same stuff that you can do with iMovie.
00:05.680: I can't believe I thought that was the way to go.
00:05.760: A lot of people do it.
00:05.760: And QuickTime 10 isn't built on QuickTime.
00:05.760: I know.
00:05.760: Or that's Premiere?
00:05.760: And I've had this conversation with several people where we talk about, you know,
00:05.760: That is actually a very good point.
00:05.760: That there's no right or wrong way, there's just whatever works.
00:05.760: And I think that's a lot of the times when I'm listening to podcasts like this.
00:05.760: He's got such a great website.
00:05.840: And Steve and I were both hardcore Final Cut 7 users.
00:05.840: You can do the same thing with After Effects.
00:05.840: It's fun.
00:05.920: Please don't say I'm the one in the bow tie.
00:05.920: You pick things up plenty quick.
00:05.920: I mean, it's it's part of the render files.
00:05.920: But did it have the Kiki wipe?
00:05.920: If I decide to switch to the switch, a lot of people I talk to.
00:05.920: But because we have those two options,
00:05.920: I make a lot of podcasts.
00:05.920: You know, but but that is our it is our campfire.
00:05.920: Accomplishing something.
00:06.000: He's not only does he use Premiere, but he uses Premiere on the PC, and he listens all the time.
00:06.000: But let's say you have
00:06.000: I'm just asking you how work is going, you know?
00:06.000: Okay?
00:06.000: And when they see
00:06.000: Okay, it's not which is what the which is what I think Apple
00:06.000: You know, and you look at it and you go, yeah, you know what, kid, you can, you're more than welcome to do that.
00:06.000: You can find Steve.
00:06.080: And I want to say that this is not like a I'm gonna convert Steve episode.
00:06.080: I mean, I'm always the one who won't shut up.
00:06.080: Final Cut 10
00:06.080: Totally.
00:06.080: Not one.
00:06.080: So when we saw that.
00:06.080: That doesn't match my workf
00:06.080: And then there are others that I'm very well educated on that I listen to just to hear other people talk about what I'm
00:06.080: I've learned so many keyboard shortcuts from you.
00:06.080: Okay.
00:06.080: And if you're interested in sitting in on the Dave Dugdale edit demo,
00:06.160: And so it totally makes sense that you would go the premiere path.
00:06.160: Well, you know, so as far as why I went the direction that I went.
00:06.160: It just appears in there.
00:06.160: To a certain extent, I will say that one of the things that I've noticed, and we both found this document, we were going to talk about it, we won't now, but
00:06.160: Hey, Steve Miller, thanks for being on the show.
00:06.160: Just hang on here for a second.
00:06.240: Yeah, exactly.
00:06.240: Amazed.
00:06.240: It was kind of a no-brainer because I just kind of said, all right, well, this is going to get me through.
00:06.240: It doesn't matter whether you're working in Final Cut or Premiere or Avid or whatever.
00:06.240: And I actually know people that do all of their they even edit their videos.
00:06.240: It's not like it's not going to appear overnight.
00:06.240: And it's not a big component to their
00:06.240: If you've said you would like it, and I respect your opinion on that, but here's the thing.
00:06.240: Here's the other thing, though, Chris, and I'm real curious, once again, the listeners, to see what
00:06.320: You know, I mean, we forgot, we didn't realize how bad it was.
00:06.320: And I was like, dude, you got to check this out.
00:06.320: One trouble report at a time.
00:06.320: Because if people think, well, geez, why am I paying
00:06.320: Right.
00:06.320: Well, the iPhone doesn't have those problems.
00:06.320: So if I want to use this tool the way my brain functions most normally, it isn't because my brain is wrong.
00:06.320: So thanks for listening, and we will see you next time on Final Kite Grill.
00:06.400: And so it's very interesting.
00:06.400: But that's fair, man.
00:06.400: So I tweet the guy
00:06.400: Sure, give me two seats, you know, that kind of thing.
00:06.400: But here's the thing: I just don't know
00:06.400: And we open up our laptop or we turn on our iPhone and maybe we're
00:06.400: So we can talk about that offline.
00:06.480: Well, that's because I'm what I'm doing is I'm hard panning both channels so that one goes to the left and one goes to the right in case I want to like
00:06.480: Yeah, no, I like that.
00:06.480: I think that there's a lot of people that are curious about it.
00:06.480: Like huge hardcore evangelist even, because of something that I said on Carl's podcast.
00:06.480: I mean, you know, Apple.
00:06.480: And frankly, hi, Steve.
00:06.480: We don't work well alone.
00:06.480: So, well, I'd love to, if I can figure out when.
00:06.480: Let's hold off on giving any kind of contact information for me because my website is currently in
00:06.560: 'Cause he had heard a podcast I had done like a year earlier with Carl Olson.
00:06.560: And he was asking me about Premiere because he was still using Final Cut 7.
00:06.560: That's a good question.
00:06.560: So it didn't make any sense to me at first, and I was like, well, okay.
00:06.560: Yeah, well, I mean, you know, it's the first time I'd ever met somebody that said, yeah, I love Vegas.
00:06.560: Second, it was there.
00:06.560: I think what I like about it now
00:06.560: He's your uncle that everybody one of your friends just loves hanging out with.
00:06.640: And I'm like, I can figure out to do something with them.
00:06.640: So, what's been really interesting over these last two years is we both.
00:06.640: Wow.
00:06.640: And I did indeed check back.
00:06.640: I must make it murder to try and write a book about how to use Premiere Pro because they're changing it constantly, which is great for us.
00:06.640: You're going to use iMovie or you're going to use whatever it is.
00:06.640: I see the same stuff happening on Apple side.
00:06.640: Oh, no.
00:06.640: The only time that you should delve, you know, I shouldn't say the only time.
00:06.720: Well, I mean,
00:06.720: And they're all live.
00:06.720: It was an editor and it was some kind of
00:06.720: And they built their own playback engine, the Freddie Mercury playback engine.
00:06.720: And that, that, that's.
00:06.720: Again, this is why I wanted to have Steve on the show because I get accused of being that guy.
00:06.720: There are leaders
00:06.720: Yeah.
00:06.800: And I thought, hey, I'm going to blow that completely out of the water by having a Premiere user on.
00:06.800: I would just, just today, I was working a room away from a guy.
00:06.800: I was used to that with After Effects, but After Effects never lets you do it.
00:06.800: You do that.
00:06.800: We're going to get right on that.
00:06.800: I know.
00:06.800: And Adobe's workflow
00:06.800: I just want to hear people talking about this stuff.
00:06.800: That's a whole, yeah, accomplishing something because you have a client standing behind you.
00:06.880: Right, right, right.
00:06.880: Here we are on Adobe TV.
00:06.880: So there's the reality of what is happening, and there's the perception and how you feel.
00:06.880: Yeah.
00:06.880: And yet.
00:06.960: Good.
00:06.960: Did you use Soundflower?
00:06.960: No, that's definitely something I would definitely look into.
00:06.960: e.
00:06.960: Pretty much well, yes, absolutely.
00:06.960: But I'm just going to say that I know these people and they are insanely passionate about making a great tool.
00:06.960: They're not going to go, they're not going to be part of the Macy's parade.
00:06.960: And I meet probably two editors a month on average.
00:06.960: If tomorrow Chevrolet created a car with the steering wheel on the roof
00:06.960: Oh, no, no.
00:06.960: But the thing if I have given it
00:07.040: Or maybe the Hannity to your Combs, however, you want to think of it.
00:07.040: Not
00:07.040: Oh my God, that's great.
00:07.040: One of the things that
00:07.040: You're old-fashioned.
00:07.040: I can't wait to share this with you guys.
00:07.040: And we should do this.
00:07.120: But I mean, I say it, frankly, I say it in a little bit of a derogatory way.
00:07.120: I'm an unapologetic
00:07.120: You know what I mean?
00:07.120: I love, you know what?
00:07.120: I have
00:07.120: No, I have no doubt it's fun.
00:07.120: So whatever gets.
00:07.120: If you think you might want to do
00:07.200: And frankly, I thought it'd be fun to catch up and see how he's using
00:07.200: I've been very, very busy and stuff like that.
00:07.200: So some people are just interested, and some people are like hardcore.
00:07.200: I understand.
00:07.200: Final Cut 7, that I was like, the learning curve is super shallow.
00:07.200: He even goes so far as to say, put a button right here, and that button should do this.
00:07.200: You know, totally.
00:07.200: Well, also, I want to say one thing that I didn't say in the beginning of this.
00:07.200: I've heard people say exactly the same thing about Premier.
00:07.200: If you give the other
00:07.280: Everything's working fine.
00:07.280: I go,
00:07.280: Like every time I try to open up a
00:07.280: We're kind of working on our on our quick Final Cut Ten thing over here.
00:07.280: m.
00:07.280: Because when people feel really strongly one way or the other about something, they're more than happy to tell you about it.
00:07.280: And if you start to crack open the manual,
00:07.280: But it's interesting because Dave is first of all.
00:07.360: Because by then, Final Cut 10 will have been updated a few more times and see what happens.
00:07.360: It's Adobe Dynamic Link.
00:07.360: And if you're the kind of person who likes the steering wheel on the roof, good, buy a Chevrolet.
00:07.360: I mean, basically, you needed an entire room full of stuff to do what we can do with Premiere.
00:07.360: You and I could sit here and swap stories about people who like Final Cut or like Adobe.
00:07.360: I think he's on the Facebook.
00:07.440: So now it is an input device and an output device.
00:07.440: The investment was one double click.
00:07.440: No, it was not.
00:07.440: It just renders.
00:07.440: That's what I want to know.
00:07.440: They need to keep you on the hook.
00:07.440: I do a lot of editing on the road, and I'm and more and more recently I hire and manage editors on the road.
00:07.440: Some things that just have my head scratching, things that are not
00:07.440: You can tell them that we're not fanboys over here.
00:07.520: It's like
00:07.520: I cut stuff like this out a lot.
00:07.520: Yeah.
00:07.520: But you know what?
00:07.520: Oh, there's a word for you.
00:07.520: You know, they'll just keep saying, it's better, it's better, it's better, it's better, it's better.
00:07.520: I work.
00:07.520: I don't.
00:07.520: While we were talking, I actually tweeted something a few minutes ago and I said
00:07.520: All right, well, at any rate.
00:07.600: And anybody who's using any tool should definitely know about the other tools.
00:07.600: Well, the other thing I definitely want to
00:07.600: Right.
00:07.600: I think that that's largely a breakeven.
00:07.600: Yeah, yeah.
00:07.600: I kind of said, Tag them out.
00:07.600: And the fallacy to that statement or that comment is
00:07.600: I just.
00:07.680: I mean, the blue Yeti is a really cool microphone that I was looking at.
00:07.680: and you invited Al, I bet you he would show.
00:07.680: Yeah, God forbid, right?
00:07.680: And I'll just say this because I know you haven't listened to all these episodes that I've recorded because frankly, you have a life.
00:07.680: I mean, when I opened up Final Cut 10
00:07.680: Yeah, you don't have time to listen if you're making them.
00:07.760: And he was getting kind of busy and I was like, I was just kind of like getting an itch that I want to do a show.
00:07.760: And then you can go ahead and manipulate that.
00:07.760: QuickTime 10
00:07.760: They're going to do whatever is most profitable for Apple.
00:07.760: Okay, so let me ask you a question.
00:07.760: That's it doesn't work, it doesn't match my workflow.
00:07.760: And I, you know, I frankly
00:07.760: I don't think
00:07.760: Not really.
00:07.840: And you and I have talked about this.
00:07.840: But maybe it was Final Five Ten that brought it down.
00:07.840: Next time you open the project, the render files will be there, just like in Final Cuts 7.
00:07.840: And in his list of 100
00:07.840: You know?
00:07.840: I promise you, over half of them have it, and some of them are playing with it.
00:07.840: Well, see, I've seen kind of an opposite reaction because when people.
00:07.840: And these are pros.
00:07.840: It's so funny.
00:07.840: You're an old foge.
00:07.840: If I didn't know you, maybe it would sound like that, but I can tell you, you know, you've paid me a compliment, I pay you a compliment.
00:07.840: So I think people will figure out the why for things that they do often.
00:07.840: And what are the five things that we agree that Premiere does better than Final Cut 10?
00:07.840: I'm probably just going to do it on my laptop, and he's going to set up a couple of cameras because he's a nerd like that.
00:07.840: First of all, I just want to say everybody, thank you so much for listening.
00:07.920: So I figured I'd put all of those comments, you know, to rest.
00:07.920: So, enjoy this interview with Steve Miller from Steveco.
00:07.920: No, it wasn't Soundflower.
00:07.920: That's basically what the Shure X2U is.
00:07.920: And so.
00:07.920: So, yeah, I'm terribly underinformed here.
00:07.920: Why am I paying you 40 bucks a month for an app that hasn't been updated in two months or whatever, you know, that kind of thing?
00:07.920: Are they actually doing it behind the scenes?
00:08.000: Well, well, you know, the
00:08.000: It is not rendered.
00:08.000: You select the one you want, you bring it in, it just pops into your Premiere Pro project panel.
00:08.000: Let's say those two elements, that lower third and that bumper, have
00:08.000: But the good news is
00:08.000: So it tells you how to find it.
00:08.000: Okay.
00:08.000: Right, right.
00:08.000: Because if you're just some punter out there,
00:08.000: This might have been.
00:08.000: You should learn why, not just what.
00:08.000: And I'm going to sit down with my little retina and I'm going to show him how I cut a piece.
00:08.080: It makes you feel stupid, doesn't it?
00:08.080: I mean, I bought the new.
00:08.080: And I looked at him and I said, So you're the guy.
00:08.080: You got to check this out.
00:08.080: And see, the problem is you and I are old enough to remember
00:08.080: Well, tried and true, yes, but they're better for my workflow.
00:08.080: And it's just like, which little icon in your dock do you click on?
00:08.080: Mm-hmm.
00:08.160: I don't want to watch it.
00:08.160: And the way I describe Premiere to them is it's Final Cut 8.
00:08.160: That's pretty cool.
00:08.160: Okay, you bring up a really interesting point because this was one of the things, and I wrote that little
00:08.160: We're prima donnas is really what it amounts to.
00:08.160: And, you know, like when it was just nothing but
00:08.160: You know, that kind of stuff.
00:08.160: But it was my pleasure.
00:08.160: And we will see you next time.
00:08.240: It has no output and it has no headphone.
00:08.240: And I do think that, you know, the show, I try to make it fun and light.
00:08.240: I was wondering if you had seen any of those.
00:08.240: So another.
00:08.240: Yeah, and I did not realize just how important or how convenient
00:08.240: So then.
00:08.240: You couldn't do that in Premiere until I think one or two revs ago, where they put that back in.
00:08.240: Adobe has nothing but
00:08.240: You know, dude, dude, dude, hold on.
00:08.240: I work most efficiently that way.
00:08.240: You know, there's no, what really frustrates me
00:08.320: I know.
00:08.320: Right with you.
00:08.320: Well, I mean, here
00:08.320: But it's Apple and I don't want it.
00:08.400: So and many times we have spent, you know, hours on the phone just catching up about the industry and stuff.
00:08.400: You know, I mean, there's been many times when you said,
00:08.400: If you have an After Effects project and you've done all the titles in it and you know, oh, I want to bring in this one title
00:08.400: I know you listen.
00:08.400: You know, it was funny 'cause uh Al Mooney was at SF Cutters and he goes, Oh, here's a great feature.
00:08.400: But I have.
00:08.400: And so, no, seriously, dude, if you are.
00:08.480: They need you to keep buying the software.
00:08.480: Apple used to be all about the professional users, so you can kind of see why people go, oh, they're just an iPhone company.
00:08.480: There's a guy by the name of Richard Taylor.
00:08.480: So, like.
00:08.480: That's a great idea.
00:08.480: Hey, can I be on your show?
00:08.480: If you want to delve further into things,
00:08.480: I think we talked a lot of theory on this show.
00:08.480: He's giving me a project.
00:08.560: And so when I found Premiere,
00:08.560: So the After Effects thing was definitely a big plus for me, but it isn't.
00:08.560: I think the biggest problem that they're going to have at this point is
00:08.560: Okay?
00:08.560: And I think that as it in a lot of ways
00:08.560: And if I glean something great, if I don't, it just.
00:08.560: It was just very kind of one-sided kind of thing.
00:08.640: Let's go Adobe Premiere.
00:08.640: And I know that it's a very different application.
00:08.640: Is built on A V Foundation
00:08.640: Oh, does it?
00:08.640: Exactly.
00:08.640: But
00:08.640: So it's awesome.
00:08.640: Tweaker means a totally new thing these days, doesn't it?
00:08.640: You've been grilled.
00:08.640: You don't do the Twitter thing, right?
00:08.720: He goes
00:08.720: All right.
00:08.720: Very close friends.
00:08.720: You were limited by it.
00:08.720: I hate this.
00:08.720: I no question at all.
00:08.800: So let me ask you a question.
00:08.800: Right.
00:08.800: I'm sitting here.
00:08.800: You know, not true.
00:08.880: I want to read it.
00:08.880: It's just broken.
00:08.880: But
00:08.880: We'll do another one of these chats in a couple of months.
00:08.960: I went for a much more sort of traditional thing.
00:08.960: And it just worked because they had said, you know what, QuickTime, be gone.
00:08.960: And we did we did
00:09.040: It's basically like this little background process that runs in the background that connects.
00:09.040: Absolutely.
00:09.040: In our tribe, we luckily freak guys like you and me, otherwise we'd be hungry.
00:09.120: Basically, I used Adobe Audition and I created.
00:09.120: Yeah.
00:09.120: Anyway.
00:09.120: Well, I mean, you know, but they are very responsive.
00:09.120: You know, they're going to be out there listening to people because.
00:09.120: We're people who are that audience, that vocal
00:09.120: Is that even possible?
00:09.120: These are pros.
00:09.120: Now the machines are the same.
00:09.120: So speed
00:09.200: Yeah, about that.
00:09.200: It's just there are some core features.
00:09.200: Here's a website.
00:09.200: Let me ask you a question.
00:09.200: Go ahead.
00:09.200: But there are many people that need to hear both sides of the argument.
00:09.280: As a matter of fact,
00:09.280: It's USB out, so you plug it into your Mac.
00:09.280: It was just wonderful to be able to do that.
00:09.280: It is drawing everything live as if it were in After Effects, but it's just
00:09.280: You know, and those were totally built on QuickTime.
00:09.280: It's
00:09.280: They're just not getting out in front of it and talking about it.
00:09.280: We're going to start working on it.
00:09.280: This is exactly what I wanted.
00:09.360: So the people who are subscribing to Creative Cloud
00:09.360: I know you're sitting on the bus right now on the way from San Francisco down to Cupertino.
00:09.440: So you can have.
00:09.440: And I don't remember what it's called, but it was something I had never heard of before.
00:09.440: Yes, I know.
00:09.440: And, you know, I, you know, obviously I dig Final Cut 10, that's why I do the show here.
00:09.440: Final Cut 7 wasn't working.
00:09.440: I want to be on the show.
00:09.520: If they make any money off of it at all, it's probably not
00:09.520: There is no Al Mooney equivalent only because
00:09.520: Hey, here's the pluses.
00:09.600: Yeah, well, it's I think it's
00:09.600: So which was do you remember the what was the one?
00:09.600: I hope so, yeah.
00:09.600: And the thing that amazed me was, you know.
00:09.600: Exactly.
00:09.600: And all of a sudden, you're like,
00:09.600: And I hope, I look forward to hearing.
00:09.680: But I, somewhere along the way, kind of went the dark side to the Final Cut 10 side.
00:09.680: I've been a little distracted this day.
00:09.680: So then what it does is
00:09.680: And then I had some issues.
00:09.680: They what I think Adobe has done a very good job of listening
00:09.680: I'm gonna just keep it using.
00:09.680: It's our twenty first century campfire.
00:09.680: He's giving me raw media.
00:09.680: And actually, enjoy NAB.
00:09.760: But the icicle has more it sounds like the Shure has more stuff like monitoring and stuff.
00:09.760: And frankly,
00:09.760: And you're having a conundrum as to how do you do XYZ?
00:09.840: It drives me.
00:09.840: I haven't had a chance to delve into your podcast or the commentary or anything else like that.
00:09.840: And you can import specific items or the entire project if you want to.
00:09.840: I got that.
00:09.840: I will say this, and you know, I don't normally
00:09.840: They are getting paid.
00:09.840: Well, I appreciate it.
00:09.840: 35?
00:09.840: Dude, I think we should start an Adobe Premiere podcast.
00:09.840: But but yeah, go ahead, kid.
00:09.920: I am certainly not going to deny that.
00:09.920: The people who listen to this show all the time are probably laughing because I am.
00:09.920: Let's say you're a hobbyist, you're a
00:10.000: Plus, I got.
00:10.000: So now you go you um
00:10.000: No, I understand what you're saying about 64-bit and GPU and stuff.
00:10.000: I have no doubt if I looked over your shoulder and looked at the stuff you were doing in Final Cut.
00:10.000: I listen to a lot of podcasts, and I listen to.
00:10.080: I think the bigger impetus, though, was the fact that I already owned it.
00:10.080: And that kind of.
00:10.080: I ran into it.
00:10.080: Apple, once they've sold you the Mac, well, all they have to do is sell you the next Mac.
00:10.080: So, no doubt they're at the top of their game, and no doubt they're good folks.
00:10.080: And he goes, Dude, no problem.
00:10.080: And that's.
00:10.080: Just because like I said, we can have it all.
00:10.080: Later, later.
00:10.160: Especially.
00:10.160: If Apple decided tomorrow, God forbid, to
00:10.160: He's been a guest on Final Cut Grill a few episodes ago.
00:10.160: Well, I would love to do another one, and maybe we should
00:10.240: I don't know.
00:10.240: If it's a green screen, you can
00:10.240: I've had everything.
00:10.240: Here's my thing.
00:10.240: So.
00:10.240: I just talked to him last night, I think it was.
00:10.240: Absolutely not true.
00:10.320: Or, you know, I'm like, wow, really?
00:10.320: Actually, can you open multiple Premiere projects at a time?
00:10.320: And yet, so many people have said
00:10.320: Anytime I buy some.
00:10.320: And it was one of those kind of things where.
00:10.400: And he is.
00:10.400: Really?
00:10.400: It is the way all the other applications that I use work.
00:10.400: I guess, I guess, and I and I
00:10.480: And even still, like
00:10.480: I enjoy using After Effects so much.
00:10.480: I guess it's 35.
00:10.560: Now.
00:10.560: They're in the factory and they're working.
00:10.560: It was not limited by you.
00:10.560: It's so fast.
00:10.640: I'll tell you the bare minimum setup, and it's really cool.
00:10.640: This has been, you know, I didn't.
00:10.720: It's like, I don't listen to your podcast, and I haven't had anything about it.
00:10.720: And if they keep cranking out the quality of products that they're creating,
00:10.720: They are busy editors.
00:10.800: Can't do that with Premiere, at least not as far as I've seen.
00:10.800: You know, I mean, that guy, he's all over the place.
00:10.800: But here's what's troubling is
00:10.800: And Rod was doing another program.
00:10.880: I already own it.
00:10.880: And I can even remember one day, this would be about
00:10.880: And
00:10.960: When can I be on the show?
00:10.960: I've never seen it.
00:11.040: Well, here's the thing.
00:11.040: It's all software based.
00:11.040: But the feedback that we did get.
00:11.120: So the input
00:11.120: If I was smarter, I would figure out how to do some sort of a poll thing on the interwebs.
00:11.120: So I just said, hey man, let's get let's talk about Final Catem for a while.
00:11.120: You select those clips, and then you say,
00:11.200: Yeah, if you won Final Cat 8, go for it, man.
00:11.200: So but but QuickTime Ten came out first.
00:11.200: And it's true.
00:11.280: I think that's because they're not actual updates, but they're pre-announcing.
00:11.280: I think there was just that kind of major shock when it came out, like this.
00:11.280: Oh my God, it's so fast.
00:11.280: Yeah, the
00:11.280: This week, so I'm going to release this show at midnight.
00:11.280: I cannot tell you, I say this all the time, but I really mean it.
00:11.360: Tell us what you want.
00:11.440: Now, there are downsides to that.
00:11.440: Everything is exactly the same.
00:11.440: But we see
00:11.520: Two idiots on the web.
00:11.520: It's almost like having.
00:11.520: Anyway, they're.
00:11.520: And I
00:11.520: I'll get you ten guys.
00:11.520: I'm thinking of the other show.
00:11.520: Yeah.
00:11.600: Like, I'll post a show.
00:11.600: I know, I know.
00:11.680: So
00:11.760: And here's a little hint for anybody: like.
00:11.760: I use it all the time.
00:11.760: I lost my project file, all my backups were corrupted.
00:11.760: And we come together and we share our stories.
00:11.760: Knock yourself out.
00:11.840: It's, it's, you know, it's, it's not.
00:11.920: But also, like I said before, I have a business to run.
00:11.920: Well, obviously.
00:11.920: They absolutely are.
00:12.000: And he just looks at me and he goes
00:12.000: Or and vice versa.
00:12.080: That has a headphone jack on it.
00:12.080: And so.
00:12.080: If you're not, buy a Ford.
00:12.080: Yeah.
00:12.160: So we can pick and choose the tools that we want.
00:12.160: I know what it's about, but that's all I know.
00:12.240: You got a good year, dude.
00:12.240: I mean, you know, and we want
00:12.320: It was
00:12.320: And I know even.
00:12.320: What's nice about it is excuse me, is
00:12.320: Here's what I think about that.
00:12.400: By all means, it is nothing like that.
00:12.480: Oh, you don't like that?
00:12.480: We don't have to choose.
00:12.560: The next time you do it,
00:12.720: You know, I mean, I was just in Hawaii.
00:12.800: And we, you know.
00:12.880: That's clearly something that's
00:12.880: And, you know, I've had
00:12.960: I had to go look it up.
00:12.960: Wow.
00:12.960: I'll see you in seventy two hours.
00:13.040: CC
00:13.120: And this
00:13.120: Somebody, somebody.
00:13.120: But I think that that
00:13.200: And I will admit,
00:13.200: They just kind of took it from
00:13.280: They're not just.
00:13.360: Is it me?
00:13.360: It's called Premiere Pro.
00:13.360: But the nice thing is,
00:13.440: It's just
00:13.520: Yeah.
00:13.520: So, you know, the diet.
00:13.600: It does.
00:13.600: What's NAV?
00:13.680: And he and he
00:13.760: Well,
00:13.840: It has a non-latency headphone.
00:13.840: You're not.
00:13.920: It was like.
00:14.000: This this icicle thing.