Episode 32
FCG033 - The Organically Grown Career (feat. Alan Brazzell)
We discuss After Effects, Cinema 4D and Motion and Alan Brazzell goes into great lengths sharing how he made drop zone templates for one of his clients to reduce work load. Looking for work can be hard, Alan talks about how he turned a few strategically chosen jobs into a lucrative and fruitful relationship with his clients.
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- Chris Fenwick
- Alan Brazzell - @brazzellvideo
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00:00.001: I think, and it's just like, yeah, yeah, and we just sat there.
00:00.080: Different, and I think that would be totally cool if you want to do that.
00:00.080: It.
00:00.160: Sure.
00:00.160: you know, one-on-one with the music teacher.
00:00.160: I want something like that.
00:00.160: Anti-guitar heroes, like you know, who it was more about the right hand and the arpeggios as opposed to like lightning fast left hand scales.
00:00.160: to to place products in reality T V than it is to try and twist the arms of musicians to put it in their in their videos.
00:00.160: I mean, the product placements in in music videos are horrible.
00:00.160: Or is it just old jaded media producers?
00:00.160: Chevy Bel Air, or oh, that signage at that barber shop looks old-timey.
00:00.160: Camera and uh well, not in my memory.
00:00.160: You know, I mean, I can think of the old, you know, Hughes and Wagner t-shirt that I still have somewhere with the little running flower.
00:00.160: You know, it's interesting you said something there.
00:00.160: Fine, and like the story about, you know, oh, yeah, and then my guitar my camera broke, so I started drawing instead.
00:00.160: you know, that that's the other thing, you know, th your your sort of love of the retro, if you will, has manifested itself in many different ways.
00:00.160: And it's like, hmm, very interesting.
00:00.160: The more I think about it, the more I agree with it.
00:00.160: In the show's history, that like gets downloaded ten times and people can try to send it back.
00:00.160: Inspired.
00:00.240: Alex, I'd like to buy a vowel.
00:00.240: Welcome to episode 32, 032 of the Final Cut Grill.
00:00.240: I would love to just capture this.
00:00.240: Smoky jazz clubs, you know, riffing with a band, right?
00:00.240: kind of tonguing the reed thing down.
00:00.240: Single package.
00:00.240: What what was that one show?
00:00.240: Yeah.
00:00.240: MTV was used as this marketing thing because essentially what happened was retailers began to realize that the old school method of doing a focus group
00:00.240: And then bringing it to the United States and lining the sh shelves at the Nordstrom rack for the kids and then just waiting for them to come in and buy it because they because, you know, like three months ago they said, Oh, yeah, we like that.
00:00.240: Sure.
00:00.240: you know, filters and stuff.
00:00.240: Yeah, so I mean, I think at the time it felt like, wow, I'm kind of graduating to the next thing, and this is pretty fun.
00:00.240: kind of intent on learning Photoshop.
00:00.240: I mean that was like a like a cannon point and shoot like a sure shot or something like that.
00:00.240: You know, three-point something megapixel camera.
00:00.240: Archival websites.
00:00.240: Was that right?
00:00.240: And I was like, I dig that.
00:00.240: Metallica and what a douche he was, whatever.
00:00.240: oh, I'm corporate video guide number thirty seven in at our at our company, whatever.
00:00.240: Just because they weren't obsessing over.
00:00.240: you know and it was like it was like okay if I had tried to finesse each and every aspect of this frame
00:00.240: Photo Montage is really great because basically what it does is it's a generator plug-in, I think, and you lay it into your time line, and then you populate
00:00.240: But yeah, but if you set up the constraints in such a way that you're kind of forced to be on the spot, then there's a lot more kind of energy going on or something.
00:00.240: That sounds about right.
00:00.240: Sure.
00:00.240: I mean, there's almost like a lot of them, not all of them, of course, but some of your stuff, I look at it and I feel like I'm almost looking at like
00:00.240: If I have just crushed you because you're thinking, wait a second, I thought my stuff sounded great.
00:00.240: Did you ever see the documentary with The Edge and Jack White and Oh, yeah, it might get loud.
00:00.240: Feels kind of weird too.
00:00.240: It it you evoked very much of what Jack White was saying in in that scene that I'm referring to.
00:00.240: the mechanics of the photography were never really the issue.
00:00.240: You know, the problem solving and the just that overcoming frustration is really fun for me.
00:00.240: 1400 by 1400.
00:00.240: I will put that in as the album art, if you will, or whatever it is, for this episode, so that when people download it, they will see a
00:00.240: Tad Wagner doodle.
00:00.240: it really pays to sort of, you know, take a breather.
00:00.240: So in that era, it was really sort of the the kind of the lead up to the grunge era.
00:00.240: No problem.
00:00.240: Hang out here.
00:00.320: And I have I I am just going to say nice things about you for a second.
00:00.320: Episodes.
00:00.320: Hi.
00:00.320: I realized that real art draws you in and doesn't let you o doesn't let you leave.
00:00.320: And the purpose of this discussion, and it's not much of a discussion because I haven't let you talk much yet, is that I want to look at kind of that origin
00:00.320: So, Tad, when what was your first recollection of being fascinated with the artistic world?
00:00.320: From that point on, it was just kind of experimenting with different instruments and getting super into
00:00.320: I remember there was a like a little jazz band get up from like the middle school that was close by.
00:00.320: And I was just kind of amazed, like, wow, these these kids aren't too much older than I am and they're and they're doing something cool.
00:00.320: So when you played in that band, because I I know your ear, I know how critical you are.
00:00.320: who weren't super flashy, you know, they were just more musical and and so, um okay, so th the sax, the guitar, at a certain point you started to take
00:00.320: Came along at about what age?
00:00.320: Yeah.
00:00.320: And it was called Cool Hunting or The Hunting of Cool or something like that.
00:00.320: Jimmy Iovine, and and th they were sell basically they were selling out MTV as a commercial full of prod product placements.
00:00.320: Mid-70s retro.
00:00.320: Do you always find yourself drawn to older styles?
00:00.320: nonprofits, some kind of quote unquote lifestyle kind of products like shoes and stuff.
00:00.320: and just kind of take it to a new level.
00:00.320: I kinda like and that I'm happy with, you know, like kind of like.
00:00.320: Kill it with a ton of pressure.
00:00.320: A day do you spend doing this?
00:00.320: you know, let the chips fall from then on out.
00:00.320: Like, who likes it, you know, you know, I don't even have to, like, love it, you know, like all, you know, all the time.
00:00.320: I guess, you know, I'll try something different tomorrow, you know?
00:00.320: They're not necessarily organized.
00:00.320: When it goes wrong, it should go really wrong.
00:00.320: But um that's funny.
00:00.320: There's this one quote.
00:00.320: But but there's something to be said for being prolific.
00:00.320: And I realized that in the good, fast, cheap paradigm of you can have what you want good, you can have it when you want it fast, or you can have it for whatever you want to pay for it, cheap, good, fast, chea
00:00.320: Plays a huge role in what I'm doing.
00:00.320: The time I had allotted, but now I get to move on.
00:00.320: Right.
00:00.320: I'm recalling now that I love to record and layer music and stuff on my whole that's a whole nother part of TAD we haven't even talked about is your musical career.
00:00.320: They divided the class into two sides and one side said, Okay, you guys make like the best whatever it was drawing that you can just one and then the other side you guys just make as many as you can
00:00.320: Time, right?
00:00.320: Helps you to focus.
00:00.320: Begat its own, you know, um presentation that actually worked really well for a passage in a song.
00:00.320: the generator filled with images from your finder.
00:00.320: Basically, what I was doing was I was using a thing from Effects Factory called Photo Montage, and this is not an ad for Effects Factory.
00:00.320: So, what I did is, I just randomly scrubbed through the timeline on four of the five iterations.
00:00.320: So that there were different images in each frame.
00:00.320: Right.
00:00.320: Sometimes forces you to create in a way that you normally wouldn't adopt, you know?
00:00.320: I felt like taking a break.
00:00.320: But uh um but I just recently bought a new camera and so now, yeah, I've I've I I'm I'm snapping a lot more and
00:00.320: You know, if you're taking a photograph of someone, you know, it's like, oh, hey, check out this like old school camera and start a conversation.
00:00.320: Is that Tad has never really?
00:00.320: I mean, your your photo y the the photography, especially the kind of retro photography that you do.
00:00.320: An old like 50s or 60s, you know, like Time Magazine illustration.
00:00.320: You're much more concerned about the vibe of something than that sort of BS sonic purity thing.
00:00.320: it's fun to it well, I don't know that you said fun, but you you liked the process of kind of fighting with the sound and trying to kind of wrestle it out of it.
00:00.320: Like design as a job.
00:00.320: So the thing that I've always appreciated about you is there is you've done the photographer thing, you've done it quite well.
00:00.320: contribute.
00:00.320: a Final Cut FCPX grill, a tad representation of the Final Cut Grill?
00:00.320: every one of the listeners here is an artist at some level.
00:00.320: you know, the chorale, if you will, of what the artist or the client rather is trying or is looking for.
00:00.320: I think that it is it's part of the fun of working for clients because you get to bring your style sometimes
00:00.320: Always going to happen, you know.
00:00.320: Do the art, but don't let go of the technology.
00:00.320: You have to be comfortable with it.
00:00.320: Your passion project.
00:00.320: And by the way, all of those things are in the if you just use Tad Wagner's name, you can find him on Facebook, you can find him on Instagram, you can find him on Tumblr, even Flickr.
00:00.320: See if you have the same experience that I had.
00:00.400: Um, I have always been impressed at the artistic eye and ear of Tad Wagner.
00:00.400: Ah, yes.
00:00.400: It's really bad when you close a Denny's down around the wait staff.
00:00.400: Yeah, music and audio and visual stuff.
00:00.400: Developed great technique from the beginning, and like you had a crap teacher.
00:00.400: kind of kind of musical experience.
00:00.400: And you know, again, you know, sort of that child of the eighties thing, you were kind of weaned on MTV when they didn't play real world 24 hours a day.
00:00.400: Right.
00:00.400: Yeah, it's a good question.
00:00.400: You are an amazing photographer.
00:00.400: You just kind of notice how plain the framing is and how kind of exaggerated the kind of focus and the layout is.
00:00.400: Very kind of posed and almost rigid.
00:00.400: You know, I mean, the circular thing was kind of like this view Viewmaster.
00:00.400: That kind of influence.
00:00.400: Yeah, I kind of had 10 years ago?
00:00.400: put down photography, or I just put down the camera for a long time and then picked it up again probably 10 years ago when I was
00:00.400: And you know, I was kind of getting into the field.
00:00.400: Wow.
00:00.400: Um usually I would say two to two to four hours in the evenings.
00:00.400: If you feel that stifle, if you feel that con contraction in your work, because let's face it, a lot of people that listen to this show are like
00:00.400: It's just abandoned on a shelf somewhere.
00:00.400: But yes.
00:00.400: And in the end, the ones who just who went for quantity ended up getting the best quality in the end.
00:00.400: forced to work.
00:00.400: getting back into it.
00:00.400: You know, goodies.
00:00.400: You know, with like a little cassette tape, and I just would like a FOSTEX or testimony.
00:00.400: We played that prom that you and your sound guy friend were involved with.
00:00.400: Yeah, yeah.
00:00.400: Always say, Well, when I I really got to get this lens or this filter, and then I'm going to create my awesome piece of art.
00:00.400: You know, I've heard you like do crazy things with, like, oh, yeah, we were using a cardboard box for a kick drum.
00:00.400: Yeah, I don't want it to sound easy.
00:00.400: You know, it's because he's a character, I think.
00:00.400: And the joy of figuring it out and kind of coming to that sort of like, you know, enlightenment or whatever for a moment even is just really like satisfying.
00:00.400: You know, you just could you can't stop that.
00:00.400: has always been something that comes from you.
00:00.400: see what I could do.
00:00.400: I don't really use Final Cut Pro, but I would like to.
00:00.400: You know, honors when people go, oh, yeah, we want that sort of Chris Fenwick feel.
00:00.400: that's the ideal for a professional creative is to have someone come specifically for your vision and your touch.
00:00.400: But when people actually like, you know, pay you to do it, it's like, really?
00:00.400: What a fortunate life I lead to be able to do this for people.
00:00.400: I mean, it's totally, it's made an enormous difference on my life, my career, just how, you know, what I'm doing right now.
00:00.400: Yeah, art and technology.
00:00.400: There's always, you know, you have to understand the technology that you work with.
00:00.400: But it's really just a tool, you know?
00:00.400: I would encourage everybody to do is to feel out, look at life and look where that outlet is for you.
00:00.400: uh when more people listen to the show, um, because it wi those downloads help it like rank and it's it's I tell you, iTunes ranking is like voodoo.
00:00.480: And I honestly, that was really kind of my own and I don't know how long ago this was.
00:00.480: you know, blows some sounds on the horn, you know?
00:00.480: There's a lot of mechanics to it to get it to the horn itself to sound good.
00:00.480: you know, guitar kind of mindset.
00:00.480: you know, on their deathbed, you know, by the time you know, well, the I think the real the first epo the first season of Real World, I want to say, was like 1990, I believe.
00:00.480: you know, um, sales tool for societal woes, basically.
00:00.480: Notice it, or let's assume that some kids do.
00:00.480: and basically photograph it and make it look like it was shot in 1977.
00:00.480: You've been really getting into your illustrations more.
00:00.480: I'm a I'm a professional web designer, I guess.
00:00.480: pretty much Monday through or Sunday through Thursday.
00:00.480: And it was just the source of a lot of fun and entertainment for me.
00:00.480: And just, you know, like, I'm sure.
00:00.480: of very talented artists that sit on the phone at their nine to five and doodle.
00:00.480: An artist cannot be stopped.
00:00.480: You know, and I look at stuff like that and I go, really?
00:00.480: You're a you know, I contend that you're just a businessman who gets paid to, you know, make art.
00:00.480: Has to be delivered.
00:00.480: you know, one illustration a year a day for a year thing really kind of forced you into that, yeah?
00:00.480: You know, and I had heard this experiment in some elementary school where
00:00.480: It's yeah, who knows like where the story originated?
00:00.480: 60 photos on a quick cycle.
00:00.480: A lot of times, the things that are most interesting are the result of happy accidents.
00:00.480: Obviously, like talented and great at what he does.
00:00.480: Instead, there is just this natural outflow of creation that literally just can't be stopped.
00:00.480: And you know, I have to have this thing posted by midnight, and it is ten o'clock now, so I'm going to have a little bit of editing to do to make us sound smarter.
00:00.480: And I think that the thing I've found is that as I get older, people come to me because they want my touch on something.
00:00.480: Watch what you have done.
00:00.480: are these like amazing prolific artists and yet you know I never talk with you I I when we were having dinner at at Denny's
00:00.480: Um and Tadwagner dot com.
00:00.480: Just totally sucked into it.
00:00.560: The music and imagery coupling happened with the twelve inch LP liner notes.
00:00.560: And it was one of the few places where you could actually see music videos like that.
00:00.560: Desires were changing too fast.
00:00.560: Exactly.
00:00.560: Yeah, it's just kind of fun to yeah, to just to try and like isolate certain visuals and and
00:00.560: You know, I mean, and even like probably going back to, you know, school and doodling on your notebooks and stuff.
00:00.560: I needed another outlet.
00:00.560: Of course, you only get two of those.
00:00.560: And, but the shortcut, and essentially I'll just say this because this is the final click grill.
00:00.560: Right, so it was a giant shortcut, and as it turned out, you know what?
00:00.560: I think it's that focus where you're just kind you're very zeroed in and you're very in the moment and you can like react quickly to whatever's happening in the moment.
00:00.560: And then I was also part of a band in high school with a few friends, and we played some parties.
00:00.560: the right lens, the right amp, the right, you know, you know, brushes, the right software.
00:00.560: Looking gear, you know, that's in, you know, that that's a legitimate like pastime.
00:00.560: Yeah, but I've never heard you s you know say, oh, well, you know, I can't really do that because I don't have the right microphone.
00:00.560: Yeah, I mean I I do like sonic purity.
00:00.560: The mindset of a collector versus the mindset of, you know, like an artist or something.
00:00.560: Did you think that was just show off?
00:00.560: the overall score, if you will.
00:00.560: Taken on this chore of being the artist, but
00:00.560: Can I just keep it rolling out?
00:00.640: And just sucked in.
00:00.640: learning about what kids liked and then going to China or Korea or whatever to have those things made, mostly talking about fashion and stuff.
00:00.640: I had a cam well, you know, I remember those little like disc cameras from like 70s or 80s Kodak.
00:00.640: There needs to be that outlet.
00:00.640: And so, but I tell people all the time, and I know people think I'm crazy for that sometimes.
00:00.640: perfect is the enemy of or good perfect is the enemy of good or good is the enemy of per I can't remember what it is, but sometimes we are too hard on ourselves.
00:00.640: I was showing them this one section, and I said, Well, it looks a lot more complicated than it is.
00:00.640: And the shortcut forced me to do something very quickly.
00:00.640: you know, to you know to perfection, it probably would well, first of all, it would have taken me ten times as long.
00:00.640: The technology has never stopped you.
00:00.640: You're not so much focused on, you know, the sonic purity of things.
00:00.640: So, I think I might go out of my way to make things a little more difficult.
00:00.640: There is a view of life that realizes that you have something to contribute to
00:00.640: That wall needs something on it.
00:00.640: And that I know that's not really a question.
00:00.640: And I think that a lot of people were like, you know, sort of down on, again, that sort of sonic purity that I was coming from.
00:00.640: And I d I I d I I actually do remember having some of those conversations with you that you know, you can you can be you know acoustic guitar dude, but
00:00.640: We got to talking about, like, you know, your art thing.
00:00.640: a pleasure to hear all the nice things that people say.
00:00.720: And um and I can remember there have been so many times, like I can remember a few years ago, I like sat down and I and I started clicking through, I think it was it was your Flickr collection at the time of your photography.
00:00.720: art and also just chat with you.
00:00.720: Pretty much.
00:00.720: So the s the sax was first it seems to me that I remember you playing a little bit of sax when I first met you.
00:00.720: To your sort of artistic quiver, if you will.
00:00.720: You know, and that is obviously something that was lost on, you know, your generation by and large.
00:00.720: And that was really the beginning of the socialization of MTV, where MTV sort of became this
00:00.720: Um eight, nine, something like that.
00:00.720: Yeah, so I think the illusion of a designer is that it's like you have this free creative reign over whatever you do.
00:00.720: Yeah, I just kind of got in this pattern and started having a lot of fun with it.
00:00.720: And send well, this is this is compelling radio.
00:00.720: We oftentimes we get frustrated with what we have been asked to do versus what we want to do.
00:00.720: And I think one of the things that helps me in my work is that everything I do has a deadline.
00:00.720: I'm not, I feel less hard on myself because I'm just kind of producing something, I'm not judging it super intensely, and I'm having fun and
00:00.720: Before I recognized that that was kind of crazy.
00:00.720: You know, like move, like go to the next thing.
00:00.720: I don't I actually don't remember that.
00:00.720: Jeff Dyke House, you know, to get the exact right sound.
00:00.720: Like old school cheap is a lot different than like today's cheap, you know, like
00:00.720: It's all a puzzle to figure out.
00:00.720: it's the framing and it's the composition and it's the subject matter that you find that is I find just truly fascinating.
00:00.720: You gave me some of the best advice in terms of creativity and technology.
00:00.800: There was fourth grade is like 10 years old, 11 years old, something like that.
00:00.800: So like you would say, Oh, I'm going to design three, you know, sweaters with three sleeves and then make everybody on MTV wear them and then line them up at the sh at the stores and all of a sudden every kid's coming in going, Oh, I need a sweater with three sleeves.
00:00.800: I mean, I think it involves like kind of a simple and focused mindset and kind of like, you know, like you watch an old movie and you.
00:00.800: Yeah, and see how you can frame other stuff out and focus on kind of the the time that you're going for.
00:00.800: Yeah, I mean, yeah, so that's that's my you get paid, you get paid to design websites.
00:00.800: Recognizing constraints and working within those.
00:00.800: Um, yes, lately.
00:00.800: You know, like hunting or something, you know.
00:00.800: Yeah, I just, I just, I always just got to be doing something, you know, so and I like cool stuff also, you know, but
00:00.800: Is really fascinating because I know you're not taking these in the 70s.
00:00.800: Thanks for chatting.
00:00.880: Probably twenty-six, seven, something like that.
00:00.880: Yeah, I mean super introductory kinds of things, you know, like simple scales and stuff like that, you know.
00:00.880: Um, I would say, uh, yeah, like the Edge and like Peter Buck from REM.
00:00.880: And so what ended up happening was that guys like who's the guy that ran MTV for so long?
00:00.880: And let me ask you this.
00:00.880: So yeah, so I you know, we're we're we we do like uh digital campaigns and um yeah, create full
00:00.880: And yours has been this commitment.
00:00.880: Yeah, so that, like, kind of coming to that realization informed like the whole kind of drawing process where it's like, okay, I got to set up some real like serious parameters with myself.
00:00.880: In the photography realm, and I realize we're kind of jumping around, but so what?
00:00.880: Then the, you know, was it Peter Buck?
00:00.880: separate out like what your true interests are.
00:00.880: He's an artist, and I respect the guy.
00:00.880: You couldn't even make me sound smart, huh?
00:00.960: Yeah, I got kind of tired of just kind of like blowing into an instrument, and I'm like, wow.
00:00.960: Yeah.
00:00.960: Yeah, I mean it's paying attention to kind of angles and space.
00:00.960: I have for a long time, yeah.
00:00.960: the video canvas that I needed to fill with a whole bunch of photos.
00:00.960: And so it's a good example and of not commercial.
00:00.960: Yeah, I would just sit in my room and just layer stuff and then bounce tracks and kind of just kind of create these layered things.
00:00.960: That was that was a crazy that was a that was weird.
00:00.960: You know, and especially some of those old kind of cheap guitars have a real kind of interesting sound, you know, like, I mean, there's different kinds of cheap.
00:00.960: I mean, basically, you know, you were aware that I was playing guitar and like, you know, experimenting with like creative stuff back when I was in high school, and you're like.
00:01.040: And by the way, Babs and Larry are your parents, who I love very much.
00:01.040: I try to frame out anything that might tip you off to the
00:01.040: And then I just took and I because I didn't need you know 60 stills was like you know two and a half minutes.
00:01.040: I come from an era where, you know, Bob Clearmountain would layer, you know, pieces of tissue over the tweeters of his Yamaha NS tens.
00:01.040: The art, the illustration and the drawing, it just seems like that's something that like literally could never be stopped.
00:01.040: And I think that's the thing that has always motivated you as long as I've known you as that person who is going to
00:01.040: And we will be back.
00:01.040: So thanks for listening, Tad.
00:01.120: That's an artifact from the 80s, and that would not have been there in the 70s.
00:01.120: artistic satisfaction, which I I mean, I love my job, but you know, when it comes down to it, you are you're serving a client and you're serving the needs of the project, and it's very it's all about
00:01.120: You know, you know, it's like I stare at it, like, man, these every single one of these look exactly the same to me.
00:01.120: Well, yeah.
00:01.120: Yeah, totally.
00:01.200: Yeah, that was good.
00:01.200: Danny's on Upper State Street in Santa Barbara.
00:01.200: I kind of work in slow motion often.
00:01.200: It was like um Saturday Saturday Night Videos.
00:01.200: That that whole system was broken.
00:01.200: Kind of the time when it was shot, you know.
00:01.200: when a true artist is going to create no matter what.
00:01.200: That part of the conversation almost never even comes up.
00:01.200: Cool.
00:01.280: And I know you've done you've dabbled in some of that.
00:01.280: You made me think of this one quote, and it goes like this.
00:01.280: I think I recognize that that it is easy to fall into a you know like
00:01.280: Do you think he'll be listening to this?
00:01.280: was to kind of experiment to see if I could kind of keep a certain pace, you know, like, you know, like if this is something that could somehow be a profession one day.
00:01.280: Yes, I will before I sleep, I will finish it.
00:01.360: It was in high school, like later in high school.
00:01.360: You know, I want to fight with the guitar, and he's buying these crap JCPenney plastic guitars.
00:01.440: I remember thinking that that was my sort of almost like an artistic awakening because
00:01.440: To joining me this evening, and we are recording this at what, like nine o'clock at night, is my good friend Tad Wagner.
00:01.440: I mean, at that moment, I was like, wow, I got to do this.
00:01.440: I like to think I do.
00:01.440: Yeah, so don't embarrass me with memories or lack thereof.
00:01.440: This is inspirational, I think, for anybody because one of the things that has been sort of a universal thing that I have witnessed in your life as an artist
00:01.440: Yeah, no, I know what you're saying.
00:01.440: And I don't care if you want to do it black and white, if you want to replicate the color of the logo, green, whatever, it will be the one episode that just stands out totally different.
00:01.520: I remember you were taking a great interest in my work.
00:01.520: Well, that's an interesting question.
00:01.520: So, in that regard, I feel like a happier person just because I
00:01.520: I mean, I was just walking one of our editors here through one of the pieces that I cut while I was on the road for the last couple of weeks.
00:01.520: And this is the you showed this to me at the Denny's Gato.
00:01.520: It's a hipster camera.
00:01.520: Yeah, so that was my first kind of band well, my first kind of rock and roll, if you want to call it that, experience.
00:01.600: Well, let's see.
00:01.600: Or did you like, hey man, we're awesome?
00:01.600: And that was kind of I mean, that's sort of the dirty side of art.
00:01.600: And just with that being the goal, just it's like, okay, well, I'm going to post something that
00:01.600: This is something actually that I've talked about many times for years with people that as a professional content creator, and you I think you nailed it on the head in that
00:01.600: It's like your main man Sting.
00:01.600: And I think that's the thing that I find most fascinating in the artists that I know.
00:01.600: What is your one drawing a day, you know, project that you do, like Tad has done
00:01.680: Yeah, he was the odd guy out, in my opinion.
00:01.680: Like, um, but but yeah, I also don't think of Jack White as a guitarist per se, you know.
00:01.680: Or, you know, even as simple as, you know, I love the lines of the fin of this old Chevy.
00:01.680: And I don't know if this is a good episode or not.
00:01.680: Yeah, that's okay too.
00:01.680: And also the the comments and iTunes, once again, I will say, are overwhelming.
00:01.760: So yeah, it was kinda it was kind of slow going at first.
00:01.760: The birth of the music video.
00:01.760: Right.
00:01.760: And so, yeah, and the more you kind of pay attention, the more you kind of recognize, oh, actually, that is.
00:01.760: Uh, there's this quote, you know, on on my website, um, up at the top there's a little button that says favorite quotes and
00:01.760: Yeah.
00:01.760: Yeah, I mean it it it it takes some some time and some introspection to kind of
00:01.760: And I'm please give me some of that.
00:01.840: But that's also part of the point of the exercise: to just do it and not judge it, just kind of put it out and walk away.
00:01.840: It's like I like the process of kind of fighting my way out of a corner, you know?
00:01.920: You know, there's a point where you just have to walk away with something.
00:01.920: It and I I would work on songs for like and you know, and and like like build them up and tear them down like multiple times.
00:01.920: Well, actually, you have confirmed my suspicion.
00:02.000: There's just a bunch of stuff there, and it's it's actually not really presented very well.
00:02.000: you're much more the age to like be in tune with the whole Jack White thing.
00:02.080: He really captured that.
00:02.080: Yeah, you know, I think thankful for that.
00:02.160: Nice mic check.
00:02.160: And I had to kind of recrop it for the phone here.
00:02.160: But I remember that Letterman episode.
00:02.160: And so I just makes perfect sense why you have so many illustrations on your website.
00:02.160: It's like, okay, here you like, here are all these lines you can't cross.
00:02.240: Yeah.
00:02.240: I've known you as a doodler forever.
00:02.240: Right.
00:02.240: You know, it's got to be done.
00:02.240: Can I make a request for the daily drawing if you haven't done your have you done your drawing yet today?
00:02.240: I think clearly the listeners of this show are, you know, we're all a bunch of geeks, you know, with our little Macintoshes and Final Click 10.
00:02.320: And so now here we are.
00:02.320: I would have thought it was a lot longer ago, no?
00:02.320: But there's this like huge resurgence of that that I see in, you know, like your Instagram feed, for example.
00:02.320: It's gonna happen.
00:02.400: I was I was I stole it.
00:02.400: So that in that good, fast, cheap paradigm, quite often the thing you know, fast is
00:02.480: And it's kind of freeing in a way just to kind of not really care.
00:02.640: I would spend time moving around until I could, you know, like escape that kind of reflection or that kind of
00:02.640: It's like, you know, so some days would be real simple line drawing, other days would be more kind of ornate, like, you know, sky or something like that.
00:02.640: You know, to forced to I think a lot of times speed helps you focus.
00:02.720: And yeah, so I, you know, I remember just kind of trying to hang on.
00:02.720: So I just started drawing.
00:02.720: You know, I there there's probably a two-year period up until about last November when I didn't have a camera, that my cannon broke and I just
00:02.800: And so thank you so much.
00:02.800: That's real nice.
00:02.880: I just it just kind of got old.
00:02.880: Yeah, I think I think in a pre you know, I you just made me think of something.
00:02.880: How do you do that?
00:02.880: Yeah, it's like you just, there comes a point where you just walk away.
00:02.880: Yeah, I'd love to.
00:02.880: Yeah.
00:02.880: I just I literally could not look away.
00:02.880: Thanks.
00:02.960: I think, gosh, I think I'm going to say in like fourth grade.
00:02.960: And I don't know, it's helped kind of propel me forward kind of emotionally, I guess.
00:03.040: And I, you know, and I had these huge like headphones.
00:03.040: You know, like, and so, yeah, so that was really, really fun to kind of.
00:03.040: Thanks again for joining.
00:03.120: It was just kind of like the school.
00:03.120: We need to have like a release valve because the, you know, I firmly believe the art just has got to get out.
00:03.120: And you and I have had a lot of talk over the years about the post-Napster days and Lars from
00:03.120: I don't listen to that much of what he does, but I, you know, he's
00:03.120: Anybody who's a podcaster knows what that number means.
00:03.120: You know, it's it's a it is a it is a privilege and an honor to be able to do this stuff.
00:03.200: First of all, thanks for all the nice words.
00:03.200: Like, you know, I mean, over over the span of thirty years, of course.
00:03.200: So visually, which is kind of where we started with this.
00:03.200: So I committed to draw like posting a drawing on Facebook and Instagram like every weekday.
00:03.200: He's like a.
00:03.200: So thank you so much for those.
00:03.280: So a kid might say, you know, on Monday, oh, I really love this t-shirt.
00:03.280: Because if it's the money that makes you do it, you're not an artist.
00:03.280: And I get to take elements of creativity away from that and apply it on the next project.
00:03.280: Like, this isn't going to get better.
00:03.360: At what age do you begin to notice it?
00:03.360: But there's there's ways where you like take little slices out of life and go, boom, mid seventies.
00:03.360: That was actually Dennis Miller talking with Greg Kinnear on the old later show from like the nineties, whatever.
00:03.360: You've never been weighed down by it.
00:03.360: Well, I don't know if that's right.
00:03.360: I imagine your cubicle at work filled with you know doodles and little drawings all over the wall.
00:03.360: It's just a tool, but you do have to you know embrace
00:03.360: I think this is going to be the Friday morning episode.
00:03.360: So you should check out all those things.
00:03.360: I want to thank everybody for all of the amazing downloads and the Twitter followers.
00:03.440: I would say, like I would say it came along with this
00:03.440: Yeah.
00:03.440: Not taking speed.
00:03.440: I like that.
00:03.520: I mean, I think the last time, when was the last time we sat down together?
00:03.520: And the death of everything.
00:03.520: And like, before I recognized, I hate this song.
00:03.520: It was at the top of like some holiday inn or something in San Francisco.
00:03.520: Yeah.
00:03.600: And I remember thinking during that conversation, it's like, I wish I had an audio recorder because
00:03.600: You know, like all my favorite bands had really cool album covers.
00:03.600: So, like, it's an old barbershop sign, and right out of frame, it says free Wi-Fi.
00:03.600: What kind of websites do you do?
00:03.600: It's Fuji X100S.
00:03.600: So, um, yeah, so you know, it's it is not as like intimidating as, you know, a big rig, you know, like
00:03.600: Right, right.
00:03.600: And, you know, I know that we've been very technical on the grill here, but let's face it
00:03.600: I'm thinking back to that era.
00:03.680: So we're recording.
00:03.680: Yeah, well, yeah, now some wrapper with some big watch or a bottle of crystal or whatever.
00:03.680: Right.
00:03.680: Is that his name from RM?
00:03.680: And I think that as an artist, it's the people that look at life and go, uh
00:03.680: And then you said, oh, yeah.
00:03.760: Um and uh we met uh obviously when we were both quite a bit younger
00:03.760: I was kind of anticipating like this real kind of
00:03.760: You don't have to say whether you're doing it at work or not.
00:03.760: Not just a low level wrong.
00:03.760: I have a hard time.
00:03.840: Now, let me ask you this.
00:03.840: And so the shortcut was, you know, I had five frames across the
00:03.840: No, I think there's something to that.
00:03.920: Was the instructor by any chance Jackson Pollack?
00:03.920: Because not every photo had to be used, but every photo could be used.
00:03.920: He's probably got more Twitter followers than me.
00:03.920: Or, you know, there needs to be one more song in my iTunes library, and I'm going to write it.
00:03.920: I could go.
00:03.920: Anyway, okay, so we should go now.
00:04.000: I know I've never said that out loud.
00:04.000: Or what causes you to see things that way?
00:04.000: I'm going to text it to you so you can tell me about it.
00:04.000: I'm just kidding.
00:04.080: So besides the photography, the thing that I've been noticing, I want to say, like for the last year or maybe more.
00:04.080: Like, really?
00:04.160: We were that poor waiter thought he was going to get some cash off us.
00:04.160: I'm going to do it.
00:04.160: I'm just going to talk a little Tad for a second here.
00:04.160: Let me see if I can explain my process.
00:04.160: Just and the whole the whole craziness of saying, Well, if you don't pay me, then I'm not going to create art
00:04.160: Yeah, I mean, it's all kind of cyclical.
00:04.160: And what that allows you to do is to say, well, yep, that was pretty good for what I had, you know.
00:04.160: I mean, but then again, like having the Edge and Jimmy Page in the same room is
00:04.240: Yeah, so you were you were inspired by these middle school band kids.
00:04.240: I um I probably owe you something.
00:04.240: I remember that now.
00:04.240: And that part you actually seem to make look really, you know, simple.
00:04.240: And I will, believe me, I'm not that good.
00:04.240: Cool.
00:04.320: I got hold of a broken four track, so it was actually a three-track.
00:04.320: Your first artistic inspiration, you know, you had mentioned was the middle school band, oddly enough.
00:04.400: Um but then after that, I kind of
00:04.400: I am going to put the constraint on you because I didn't realize the constraint was part of the challenge.
00:04.400: Well, I appreciate that.
00:04.480: I've known Tad for I was thinking about it tonight, we'll say nearly 30 years.
00:04.480: Just I could not turn away.
00:04.480: We were pretty, pretty mature.
00:04.480: And then I dropped that subcomp into my master timeline five times: one, two, three, four, and five.
00:04.480: But well, yeah, I mean, part of this daily drawing thing was
00:04.560: So I kind of gravitated towards the guys who
00:04.560: It's a good example of how necessity
00:04.640: Okay, well, hey, I'm starting this thing.
00:04.640: I will say this, and I promise you, somebody on Twitter will go, dude, you should check out this book.
00:04.640: Do you really?
00:04.640: Your drawings have a very
00:04.640: I can't even make myself sound smart.
00:04.640: And I love what you were saying earlier about working in an agency, you're working within the confines or the
00:04.640: I'm shocked.
00:04.640: And I will also say, my friend, it is a fortunate life I have led to have been able to.
00:04.720: Yeah, I don't know if the I don't even know if it's a conscious thing, you know, most of the time.
00:04.720: It says, It's just television.
00:04.720: I think I've I've I recognize and by the way
00:04.720: And that resonated with me.
00:04.800: I mean, like, I've been keeping a sketchbook for a long time, but I just want to improve and
00:04.800: Yes, you do have to have this, I will call it a mastery of the technology.
00:04.880: And I promise you, this is going to be unlike anything that we've done in the previous
00:04.880: I got you know, got like a point and shoot and just kind of carried it with me and snapped everything and everyone.
00:04.880: He said an album is never completed, it's just abandoned.
00:04.880: I lived in the 70s.
00:04.880: I have a feel?
00:04.960: Yeah.
00:04.960: Oh, yeah, it did sort of have a Viewmaster reminiscent thing going with it.
00:04.960: Oh, yeah.
00:04.960: I've never seen you not do something because you didn't have.
00:04.960: Then I apologize.
00:04.960: And I think
00:04.960: But really what it all boils down to is there is
00:04.960: I'd like to return this episode.
00:04.960: Thank you very much for having me.
00:05.040: And so far, it's not very interesting.
00:05.040: Well, you know, when I so when I first started, it really wasn't in the context of a band.
00:05.040: Yeah, and I mean, you know, clearly you also find things.
00:05.040: And I think that a lot of times, you know, what's the phrase?
00:05.040: And you're like, yeah, this'll work.
00:05.040: You know what?
00:05.040: And then I scan them and I do this and I do that.
00:05.040: I think one I think in one night I looked at like every image you had ever posted
00:05.120: Yeah, I'd say something like that.
00:05.120: Yeah, I mean, I just like, I never got the like
00:05.120: Well, I will let you go.
00:05.200: Go right ahead.
00:05.200: Gosh.
00:05.200: I don't know if you realize this, but I actually have one of your paintings as my lock screen on my phone.
00:05.200: Yeah, Peter Buck.
00:05.200: Yeah.
00:05.280: MTV still had music videos in the 80s, but they were, I mean, they were.
00:05.280: I mean, I'm sure it is, but I was so stoked to have that thing.
00:05.280: You can actually say you're a professional web designer.
00:05.280: I mean, you graduated what year, 88?
00:05.280: Um I I I challenge you, go look at like Tad's old Flickr stuff and
00:05.360: Your time is a little bit more.
00:05.360: Do you see an improvement in your work in that one year commitment?
00:05.360: Well, no, I'm actually talking about both.
00:05.440: Um, yeah, so we just walked in and like we had both kind of eaten, I
00:05.440: Yeah, no, they're good with those nicknames, I think.
00:05.440: In fact, you're only kind of like strangling it at this point.
00:05.440: And if you're very careful and measured, you're not going to put yourself in a place to take a risk.
00:05.440: Bring everything full circle.
00:05.440: Should be on a T-shirt.
00:05.440: And I think one of the things that's so fascinating is when I look at people like you who
00:05.520: I mean I mean, the I I remember watching I don't know if I've ever talked to you about this, I remember watching a documentary that Frontline did at around nineteen ninety nine, I believe it was.
00:05.520: So you kind of, you know, sometimes even walk away from a shot because it's, you know, it's not quote unquote authentic or whatever.
00:05.520: What is the genre?
00:05.520: Two guys sending each other's photos on their phones.
00:05.520: It might be total crap.
00:05.600: That might sound totally stupid.
00:05.600: But I'm sorry, let's get back to that.
00:05.600: Yeah, I I mean like like you don't want to post something that you hate you know, hate, obviously.
00:05.600: You have to have an outlet.
00:05.680: Who were your earliest guitar influences?
00:05.680: And I don't know, there's a particular kind of starkness to kind of the older style of photography that is
00:05.680: Like forever
00:05.680: Like, just because I don't want to.
00:05.680: If you have not, go to the iTunes, search for Final Cut Grill and leave a little comment there.
00:05.760: Yeah, that's funny.
00:05.760: It worked really great because the transition, because I was randomly scrubbing, the transitions were even staggered, also.
00:05.760: You know, there's a retroness to that.
00:05.760: Honestly, I think that every once in a while
00:05.760: Awesome.
00:05.840: So you went home to Babs and Larry and said, Hey, I want to get me a saxophone?
00:05.840: And so and then the guitar just seemed really cool all of a sudden.
00:05.840: They made my ears sweat.
00:05.840: We were on Union Square.
00:05.840: And it's like, how do you find your way through that territory in an elegant way?
00:05.840: So we'll be back Monday morning with another episode of Final Cut Grill.
00:05.920: Right.
00:05.920: But um
00:05.920: In the photography realm, do you tend to keep a camera with you a lot or all the time?
00:06.000: Oh, the somewhat cable access video show in the in and
00:06.000: And primarily it was broken because kids
00:06.000: Yeah, super tiny
00:06.080: So let's see, you started with the Saks, and that was just kind of like the school band thing.
00:06.080: And the visual element.
00:06.080: Not a lot longer.
00:06.080: So it's styled like an old 60s Rangefinder, but it's decked out with like digital.
00:06.080: And just for a couple seconds here, I want to say thank you to you.
00:06.160: That's right.
00:06.160: When it goes wrong, it should be horribly wrong and cause you to sit up in bed and say, Honey, wake up Cher just called Letterman an asshole.
00:06.160: Maybe you're a collector and you just like lenses, you know, and you like you like to have like cool
00:06.160: Well, let me ask you this.
00:06.160: What was it?
00:06.160: And there was a backlash to, you know, the polish of what the eighties had been.
00:06.240: And yeah, and I just realized it would just clear my head.
00:06.240: Well, no, it's the lack of time forced me to use some shortcuts.
00:06.240: I happen to know that Jack White does not listen to the Final Cut Grill.
00:06.240: Yeah, I mean, but you know, but he hasn't really the his niche isn't because of his guitar playing.
00:06.240: I think that's interesting.
00:06.320: I cut myself short.
00:06.320: Sometimes the deadlines are incredibly short.
00:06.320: What?
00:06.320: And I think that's why I like
00:06.400: They're making like these sounds.
00:06.480: Kind of these like
00:06.480: I was going through your Instagram feed once.
00:06.480: And I end up listening to a lot of podcasts that way too.
00:06.480: I remember the 70s.
00:06.480: Can you make me
00:06.560: Are 15-year-old kids noticing it?
00:06.560: And about how old were you?
00:06.560: It's been a lot of fun.
00:06.640: You know, it's like, so it's really focused.
00:06.640: I mean, not entirely, but virtually.
00:06.640: I mean, you said, and the only reason I brought it up it might get loud, was that you said, you know.
00:06.640: Yeah, no, that's a good, that's a great feeling.
00:06.720: But here but here, let's try and change that.
00:06.720: I do.
00:06.720: Yeah.
00:06.720: What kind of stuff?
00:06.720: What exactly was it that you bought?
00:06.800: Did you just did you just the whole time think, God, this is crap?
00:06.800: What brought that on?
00:06.800: And I don't know.
00:06.800: Gosh.
00:06.800: Um, yeah, I mean, for me, um
00:06.800: I want to say I'm going to keep you on for the wrap-up of the show, which I don't normally do, but.
00:06.880: Okay.
00:06.880: I don't know how you do it.
00:06.880: No, but I mean, I think, you know, what is it?
00:06.880: So what I did is I used the photo montage, I loaded it with, you know, like
00:06.880: You know, I mean, I've seen, I've heard you do things that.
00:06.880: You know, this is good.
00:06.960: And, you know, I don't think I.
00:06.960: Tad has this ability to look at anything in current day
00:06.960: Um
00:06.960: So he says with reticence.
00:06.960: Whatever.
00:06.960: You know, I mean, you the the medium
00:07.040: Well, the saxophone is not an easy instrument to get the tone, you know, to get the
00:07.040: Um
00:07.040: And actually,
00:07.040: Oh, totally remember that now.
00:07.040: And again, you know, this might be a generational thing, but like.
00:07.040: What do you th d do you think Jack White belonged in that lineup?
00:07.040: And it might be the one episode in the.
00:07.040: I would love to know.
00:07.120: At that point, I didn't have any sort of like designs on becoming a pro.
00:07.120: You have to have a personal project.
00:07.120: And I just like.
00:07.120: Yeah, no, I I
00:07.200: I don't know how old Flickr is, but.
00:07.200: And so like I just I was fascinated by how the the imagery and the music kind of fit together into this
00:07.200: Right.
00:07.200: It's like, you know, but it's like, oh, well.
00:07.200: They say that about films, too.
00:07.200: And the lack of you're talking about
00:07.200: And we all do that.
00:07.280: I think that was my first.
00:07.360: Hey, so um
00:07.360: It's like, oh, that's nice.
00:07.360: You know?
00:07.360: It should be bad sometimes.
00:07.360: What do you think about people who
00:07.360: All right.
00:07.360: But if you do that, then what I will do, you make that 1400 by 1400 72 dpi.
00:07.360: And I'm like, you know what?
00:07.440: Kind of used to it, aren't you now?
00:07.440: In a pre-music video era, which is what I grew up in.
00:07.440: Well, I think it was.
00:07.440: So when was the first time you picked up a camera?
00:07.440: I'm trying to.
00:07.440: It's like, I can, you know, I look at my Instagram feed and I and I just kind of like, oh man, this kind of sucks.
00:07.440: No, no, yeah, a lack of time, a lack of the resource of time.
00:07.440: And here's a little shortcut that I took.
00:07.440: Yeah, I'm talking about my stuff sounds awesome.
00:07.440: And can you do it tonight, like in the next hour and a half?
00:07.520: They came and they performed for all of us younger kids.
00:07.520: And there are I would I will wager to say that there are tens of thousands, if not more,
00:07.520: So you're.
00:07.520: You know, yeah, I guess I'm recognizing now how that kind of played into it.
00:07.520: Right.
00:07.600: Did you ever see the.
00:07.680: And when I'm shooting like an old sign or an old car or something, I try to
00:07.680: Come and get me, Lars.
00:07.680: Yeah, well, I mean, you know, it's like, I like the song.
00:07.760: No, he he had to quit he had quit in time before we left.
00:07.760: And I was just just got me really excited.
00:07.760: Yeah.
00:07.760: Yeah, and we loaded in all the gig and you know, all the gear and yeah.
00:07.760: I mean, I've
00:07.760: It's that it's not like they have
00:07.760: Well, I mean, thanks for taking a chance and kind of opening it up to something brand new.
00:07.840: And you really, it's like you're focused.
00:07.840: What did you think of his whole speech about
00:07.840: And yeah, from that moment on, I kind of broadened my scope.
00:07.920: A couple months ago at a Denny's, I believe.
00:07.920: I am constantly reminding myself
00:07.920: 90.
00:08.000: Can I claim that as my own?
00:08.000: Life is a puzzle to figure out.
00:08.080: I think so, yeah.
00:08.080: Are 10-year-old kids noticing it?
00:08.080: I only needed like 10 seconds of it in the video
00:08.080: Yeah, I mean, it was definitely one of those.
00:08.160: Tad, say hi.
00:08.160: And there's a certain style that is Tad Wagner.
00:08.160: Yeah.
00:08.160: I mean, you know, it's like even my perception of what I've done in the last year changes, you know, from day to day.
00:08.160: And then it's kind of creates more of a conversation than just kind of like
00:08.160: I have not.
00:08.240: Yeah, well, I mean, it's a lot easier to
00:08.240: I need some of that.
00:08.240: It's really
00:08.320: Yeah.
00:08.320: Yeah.
00:08.320: I just felt like
00:08.320: And I think that
00:08.400: Now, what was that?
00:08.400: 90, okay.
00:08.480: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:08.560: When did you get into the guitar?
00:08.560: It's like, oh, there's a great
00:08.560: I have vague recollections of that.
00:08.560: And I think that's.
00:08.640: It's like, okay, I got to figure this thing out.
00:08.640: Back back, you know, like
00:08.640: I I think if you look at things like Vivo I think what is it, Vivo on on YouTube.
00:08.720: Click to the next one.
00:08.720: We work with a lot of musicians.
00:08.800: Yeah, I mean, it's
00:08.800: And frankly, it's one of the greatest
00:08.800: And the f one, to be asked to do it, amazing.
00:08.880: Right, right, right.
00:08.960: And I'm not just talking about
00:08.960: Let's see.
00:08.960: Let me think.
00:08.960: A film is never done.
00:08.960: You know, it's a puzzle.
00:08.960: Maybe I'm wrong.
00:09.040: No, exactly.
00:09.040: And did you start right away?
00:09.040: But if it was, it would be an awesome little segue.
00:09.040: I'm going to guess you have, because I know that you and I both have a thing about the edge, but.
00:09.120: I was super into U2 at the time.
00:09.120: But, you know.
00:09.120: And in addition, in like in some of your music recordings,
00:09.200: I could have gone on much longer, but it would be a really boring one-hour podcast.
00:09.200: Later, later.
00:09.280: But by Monday the next week, they go, oh, yeah, it's still last week.
00:09.280: We took it on family vacations and it was compact and
00:09.280: It might get loud.
00:09.280: But it's just not
00:09.360: So, um.
00:09.360: Yeah, that that's it really has.
00:09.360: Yeah, you know, it's
00:09.440: I want to say, like.
00:09.440: And then
00:09.440: When did you start recording your own music?
00:09.440: I mean, he's
00:09.440: We kind of hit a milestone with the Twitter following this week, and that was cool.
00:09.520: No, I'm not.
00:09.600: But the visual element of your artistic influence
00:09.600: I can't remember.
00:09.600: And we really do just have to finish something and move on.
00:09.680: And instead of asking kids what they liked, they just told them what was going to be cool.
00:09.680: Go for it.
00:09.680: Necessity is the mother of invention.
00:09.680: It's a blend of
00:09.760: It wasn't like you were, you know, four years old hanging out in jazz club
00:09.760: What did bring that on?
00:09.760: Yeah, totally.
00:09.840: Oh, I like that click.
00:09.840: Right.
00:09.840: Iovine.
00:09.920: What is the there's tad and paste.
00:09.920: You have to have a passion project that you can sink your teeth into.
00:09.920: I think the thing I want to talk about and this sort of
00:09.920: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:09.920: So
00:10.000: Was that a film camera or a digital camera?
00:10.000: It very well could have been.
00:10.080: I felt like it had promise, but it's like, you know, there was no one there to say stop.
00:10.160: It was.
00:10.160: It was a frontline episode.
00:10.160: I'm going to ask a favor of you.
00:10.160: Nobody really understands it.
00:10.240: You know, I'm
00:10.240: And when we hit that level of frustration,
00:10.240: You always
00:10.320: I don't even recall what kind it was, but.
00:10.400: Okay, I'm going to do that.
00:10.400: But but you know, I I set the bar pretty low.
00:10.400: It just.
00:10.480: And
00:10.480: Okay, so I may speak freely.
00:10.480: The music thing.
00:10.640: Why don't these other guys practice?
00:10.640: It's kind of you know, I I I wonder if kids
00:10.640: It's my personal audio time.
00:10.800: But the shortcuts.
00:10.800: Did you watch that doc?
00:10.880: Yeah, I mean, that's dipping way back.
00:10.960: It was more just like very simple lessons with
00:10.960: Well, I.
00:10.960: My life is pretty compartmentalized.
00:11.040: So, um,
00:11.120: Does anybody remember this?
00:11.120: And it's just
00:11.200: And I think it's.
00:11.200: I mean, there was like one song that had like five different incarnations.
00:11.200: You know, it's all a puzzle to be figured out.
00:11.280: That was in high school.
00:11.280: But I think the thing that.
00:11.360: Yeah, so then I started playing saxophone and
00:11.360: Pretty much.
00:11.360: And it talked about how
00:11.360: And I see it, and I go, Yeah, Tad drew that.
00:11.360: And a lot of times, you know, when you're
00:11.360: And by all means, tell your friends.
00:11.440: And it's like, wow, here's this whole other
00:11.440: Somebody needs to take that picture.
00:11.440: What is
00:11.680: I mean, there's like
00:11.760: And
00:11.760: But um I just like the fact that people are listening and being
00:11.920: Yeah, do it.
00:12.000: And it's been.
00:12.080: And
00:12.160: I did.
00:12.320: I just kind of wanted to figure out how to
00:12.480: Yeah.
00:12.480: Yeah, I mean, this is.
00:12.480: I've seen it a couple of times.
00:12.480: It's like, do you like
00:12.560: Yes, you may.
00:12.800: So it's.
00:13.120: It certainly helps.
00:13.200: But.
00:13.360: So like I didn't I didn't kind of
00:13.440: But
00:13.440: Yeah.
00:13.520: Okay.
00:13.600: I think I
00:13.920: Okay.