Episode 121
FCG121 - Out with the Toilets!! (feat. Dave Dugdale)
Just when I thought I MAY be able to get my buddy Dave to try FCPX it turns out he tells me he is getting rid of the ONLY Mac he has in the house. This discussion is about what lead to Dave wanting to banish the iMac from the house and things that we can all do to be better computer users.
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- Chris Fenwick
- Dave Dugdale - learningvideo.com - @dugdale
Transcription
00:00.800: Speaker 1: Hey, how are you doing?
00:01.920: Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Grill.
00:04.480: Speaker 1: Let me get some stuff organized here.
00:06.240: Speaker 1: Hey, so I'm going to be totally honest with you.
00:08.480: Speaker 1: This is barely an episode of Final Cut Grill.
00:11.540: Speaker 1: This is me hanging out with my friend Dave Dugdale.
00:14.820: Speaker 1: As you may know, Dave Dugdale used to have a website called Learning DSLR video.
00:20.580: Speaker 1: He's since rebranded it, rebranded it.
00:24.220: Speaker 1: He has since rebranded because of what is basically the death of the DSLR.
00:30.700: Speaker 1: Not the death of it, but Dave is definitely of the
00:35.280: Speaker 1: belief that mirrorless cameras are the way to go.
00:37.840: Speaker 1: He's shooting everything on mirrorless cameras, A7S, GH four.
00:41.840: Speaker 1: And we talk a lot about camera stuff.
00:43.440: Speaker 1: To be to be honest with you, in the middle of all this, I actually kind of thought that this may end up
00:50.360: Speaker 1: Oh, I just got a message from my niece.
00:52.360: Speaker 1: Just finished her last exam.
00:53.800: Speaker 1: I'm going to do a little yay.
00:57.400: Speaker 1: And I was actually thinking this should probably be an episode of DCC.
01:01.340: Speaker 1: 'Cause we got to talking a lot about cameras.
01:03.660: Speaker 1: But at any rate, this uh again, this is barely an episode of um of The Grill.
01:08.940: Speaker 1: It's basically me and Dave just hanging out and chatting.
01:11.820: Speaker 1: We talk a little bit about NAB.
01:13.580: Speaker 1: We talk a lot about um
01:15.240: Speaker 1: an event that happened in his family.
01:19.000: Speaker 1: It's a good little lesson about computing, which everybody should know.
01:24.200: Speaker 1: Everybody should
01:27.219: Speaker 1: There's a great lesson to learn, let's just say that.
01:29.700: Speaker 1: And if you guys have been following me on Mirkat, which is connected to my Twitter account, you would have heard some of this story.
01:37.539: Speaker 1: Anyway, before we get going,
01:39.840: Speaker 1: I feel sorry.
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02:39.560: Speaker 1: I don't get paid specifically for that, but the guys love to hear that people are enjoying this site.
02:45.299: Speaker 1: So that's it for that.
02:46.900: Speaker 1: We're going to go to cross over to this interview with Dave Dugdale.
02:50.579: Speaker 1: And basically, like I said, it's Dave and I.
02:54.819: Speaker 1: I could see you.
02:56.260: Hello, I can see you.
02:58.860: And this is what we did last time for like over an hour.
03:01.420: That last time we recorded that show.
03:03.580: Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's clearly well, nothing is clearly anything.
03:09.420: Speaker 1: Okay.
03:10.380: Speaker 1: Do I sound okay?
03:11.660: Speaker 1: Yeah, you sound fine.
03:13.260: Speaker 1: Yeah, you sound fine too.
03:14.780: Speaker 1: Okay, then Google Plus it is between Boulder and Oakland.
03:25.700: Speaker 1: What do you do?
03:26.820: That's weird that Skype would do that.
03:28.500: And it's also, I'm like, I'm wowed that I have a download speed of 60 meg.
03:33.540: It used to be like
03:34.640: twenty or thirty before, they must have done something in my neighborhood.
03:38.720: Speaker 1: Well, uh, you know, what happened to us was um when we got the the Comcast business account here
03:46.220: Speaker 1: We had ninety five down and like something like seventy five up.
03:52.220: Speaker 1: Wow.
03:53.100: Speaker 1: And then they came into the neighborhood and they fixed everything.
03:57.320: Speaker 1: And basically yeah, basically they they tied a bunch of knots in the cables.
04:02.520: Speaker 1: So we get exactly thirty down and just under eight up.
04:07.799: Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
04:08.680: Speaker 1: And as it turns out, that is the actual number that we are paying for thirty five.
04:14.360: Speaker 1: So anyway, on this episode of Internet Connectivity, I'm speaking now with Dave Dugdale.
04:19.959: Speaker 1: How are you doing?
04:20.519: Hello, hello.
04:21.239: I'm good.
04:21.799: I'm good.
04:22.680: Speaker 1: So we have had some issues with the Skype thing, as it turns out.
04:28.139: Speaker 1: The whole podcasting world could go to crap in a handbag if Comcast just decided to shut off big packets or something.
04:36.520: Speaker 1: But we we now have this the Google Plus working and we're going to talk about computers and platforms and bears, oh my.
04:45.680: Speaker 1: Because that discussion has not been had enough.
04:54.040: Speaker 1: So the reason the thing that caused all this to transpire I mean, not that I don't enjoy talking to you.
05:00.280: Speaker 1: I really do, you know, for a PC guy.
05:04.620: Speaker 1: But but you had a l you had a little bit of a problem with uh your Macintosh this week.
05:09.659: Speaker 1: What happened?
05:10.300: Speaker 1: Or last week or something?
05:11.960: So we have an iMac that we bought, I'd say, a year and a half ago.
05:16.919: Okay.
05:17.479: It's a thin Christmas.
05:18.840: It's a thin one.
05:20.240: It's a thin twenty seven inch iMac, like eight gig of RAM and an i five something or other.
05:27.120: Speaker 1: Okay, so you kind of you kind of you kind of pulled back a little on the reins.
05:30.460: Speaker 1: When you dropped your card down, you didn't get anything.
05:32.699: Speaker 1: No, it was $2,000, so I felt like I was.
05:36.220: Speaker 1: Well, see, yes, but you're judging your computer by the value and not the specs.
05:40.860: Speaker 1: You're looking at the dollar value and you go, well.
05:43.400: Speaker 1: That must be a good computer.
05:44.600: Speaker 1: I paid $2,000 for it.
05:46.360: Well, I knew what I was getting into because I know what 8 giga RAM is and I know what an I5 is.
05:51.000: And, you know, because
05:53.120: The machine I'm running on right now, which people can't see what I'm pointing to actually, but it it's a much, much beefier machine than that.
06:00.479: But for what it was getting used for in the kitchen for my wife and my kids, it was like, man, they're just going to cruise the web and
06:07.340: not do much.
06:07.980: So eight gig of RAM and this i5 processor should be fine anyway.
06:11.580: So and and I love the screen.
06:13.580: The screen is fantastic.
06:15.020: What is it like a
06:18.260: I don't even know the resolution, but it's much higher than H D, so 1080.
06:24.820: Speaker 1: I think it is one and a half times HD.
06:27.860: Speaker 1: It's like 2560 in change or something like that.
06:31.680: By 1440, I think, or something like that.
06:34.080: So, anyway, it's in the kitchen.
06:37.440: And before that, in the kitchen, because it's great, because we have two kids, they're 10 and 12.
06:42.440: And it's great to have right there, big screen, so I can see what they are looking at.
06:47.400: So, what you know, what they're on the web with, or if they're doing their homework, or whatever.
06:52.040: That's a parenting thing, right?
06:53.400: It's a fantastic parenting location.
06:56.199: So we had PCs before that, Windows machines before that.
07:01.000: And I don't know, something happened, and I was like, well, let's give it a try.
07:05.560: And who knows, maybe I can
07:07.240: You know, the company will buy it, and then maybe I can like create a course where I show stuff on Premiere as well as Final Cut X.
07:14.440: And I was like, let's just buy one.
07:16.200: The company, you mean Dougdale Enterprises?
07:18.420: Yeah, well, whatever.
07:19.540: You know, what I call my company is actually called 3D listings for Dave Dugdale.
07:24.500: Speaker 1: Anyway, so.
07:27.300: Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait.
07:27.940: Speaker 1: You broke Dugdale into two syllables and therefore two D's?
07:31.660: 3D listings.
07:33.020: Speaker 1: Yeah, Dave, Doug.
07:34.060: Dave, Doug, Doug.
07:35.340: Yeah, because it was one of those things where my accountant called him, what do you want to name the company?
07:39.660: I was like in DC at another job.
07:42.800: I don't know how many years ago, and I said, I don't know, call it 3D or something.
07:47.599: Right, right.
07:48.960: Anyway, so in the kitchen.
07:51.620: The laptop is it's fantastic location.
07:54.659: We got the iMac.
07:55.860: It was actually my wife it was like Christmas, I think.
07:59.139: So my wife was like
08:00.620: We need something new because this computer is running slow or something like that.
08:04.220: I was like, all right, I'll just go buy a new one.
08:06.300: So I bought a brand new computer, set it up in the kitchen.
08:10.820: And I told everybody, I told the kids, I told my wife, I said, this doesn't come with your normal tech support of Dave Dugdale fixing everything.
08:20.020: And because I don't know anything about this computer.
08:23.639: If you want to learn about it, you're going to have to Google it because I don't know the deep recesses of the operating system.
08:30.280: Speaker 1: But you chose the it's not like they said, Dad, Dad, we want a Macintosh.
08:34.700: Speaker 1: True.
08:35.420: And I kind of I was like, let's just get one.
08:37.900: And what the heck?
08:38.620: I'll, you know, because maybe I can use it for my courses and stuff that I create.
08:43.419: So, yeah, it's partly my fault now thinking back on it.
08:49.899: So, anyway.
08:52.160: I don't know.
08:52.880: I think it was maybe three or four months ago, you know, my our youngest daughter was after my ma or her mom.
09:00.040: My wife, that, come on, I want to play Minecraft.
09:02.600: Everybody in the school gets to play Minecraft, but I don't get to play.
09:06.040: And finally, my wife relents and breaks down and says, Help me out here just a second for the
09:11.580: Speaker 1: For the 10 of us in the world that don't know what Minecraft is.
09:14.460: Speaker 1: What is Minecraft?
09:15.260: Speaker 1: I've heard people mentioning that.
09:16.540: Speaker 1: I have no idea what it is.
09:18.460: Speaker 1: Well, apparently, this is the worst episode of The Grill ever, by the way.
09:24.380: Watching my daughter play over her shoulder, basically, you construct things.
09:28.700: Like you're almost kind of an architect of whatever you want to build, and you can build things incredibly quickly.
09:33.740: So it's not like a first person shooter type of game where you shoot people.
09:37.420: It's not like some gothic game or some weird thing.
09:41.100: It's just, you know, for kids her age, it's pretty
09:44.759: somewhat educational kind of thing, I guess you could call it, because you can build things and it's not a big time suck.
09:50.759: But then it that's where it happened.
09:52.600: It became to be a great time con suck and she would spend every l moment on the computer instead of doing her homework.
09:59.220: So the wife the other day was getting very upset that she was spending too much time on it.
10:04.660: So she proceeds to go over to the computer, notice that she has
10:09.640: Three, not one, but three user accounts.
10:14.840: And the reason she had three accounts is I so your daughter is making her own accounts?
10:21.020: Correct.
10:22.460: Because my wife, who was the administrator of the computer, let it be known the administrator password.
10:30.779: Speaker 1: And therefore, so the daughter didn't have the ability to create an account, but your wife gave up the goods on the admin password.
10:40.779: Speaker 1: So your daughter's taking over and doing stuff on her own.
10:43.920: Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know what happens.
10:46.319: Speaker 1: This sounds like a good reason to be upset with Cupertino.
10:51.279: The daughter looks over the wife's shoulder and sees exactly what she's typing in.
10:55.640: you know, 'cause occasionally she'll have to go and type in the password to do something.
10:59.720: Speaker 1: Oh, so whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
11:01.080: Speaker 1: So your wife didn't give up the password, your daughter shoulder surfed her.
11:05.480: Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you know it.
11:07.320: They do that all the time on the iPad as well.
11:11.820: So the wife proceeds to say, oh, she's got three accounts and
11:18.800: Before I get into that, one part, the important part of this is she wanted to get on the computer to limit her access to a certain amount of time per day.
11:26.800: Instead of having her let all this time, you can go into the
11:30.040: I said, just Google it.
11:31.240: You probably can go in, just like Windows, you could probably go in somewhere and set a time limit on her account.
11:36.519: And sure enough, there's a parental control and it lets you to set how much time she can spend on it, even the hours a day she can spend on it.
11:44.420: And so she goes in, limits it, and then our daughter comes in and she starts playing on it.
11:51.380: My wife looks over and she's like, well, she's still playing on it.
11:54.839: And it's past the time.
11:56.519: What's going on?
11:57.880: And then she comes to find out that she has three accounts.
12:00.519: So the wife goes over proceeds and deletes two of them.
12:04.600: And apparently, why she did it in such a rush, she didn't really pay attention to what it said.
12:10.200: Like, do you want to totally delete all this stuff along with the account?
12:14.240: And she said yes, and it totally annihilated the world that she had been building for the last two months.
12:20.640: Speaker 1: So so more than okay, so when you say the world, you mean the Minecraft world.
12:25.520: Speaker 1: Correct.
12:26.400: Speaker 1: It's not so much that she lost
12:28.440: Speaker 1: Photos and music and movies or iTunes content or something like that, maybe.
12:33.480: Speaker 1: That's not really the issue, it's the world
12:36.240: Speaker 1: Yeah.
12:36.720: Speaker 1: Okay, so so now because of this incident, this this the the the Dugdale dilemma of twenty fifteen, you have decided to get rid of the Macintosh.
12:49.760: Speaker 1: Pretty much.
12:50.720: Okay, so the wife got very was feeling guilty.
12:54.000: It's just like, oh, it's like, why can't you fix this?
12:56.720: And I'm like, I like I said when we bought it, I know nothing about it.
13:00.080: And we didn't send any backups up for it or anything like that because
13:04.380: You can't put an internal hard drive into the darn thing.
13:06.940: You have to like and remember, it's in the kitchen, it looks pretty, but you don't want to dangle too much stuff off the side of it because the wife likes to put stuff around, you know, there's a coffee maker next to it.
13:17.420: She doesn't want to have
13:18.640: Hard drives sitting next to it, or Pegasus machines, or whatever you guys do with your Thunderbolt stuff.
13:24.000: I put all my hard drives in the computer
13:26.520: Rather than sticking them off to the side.
13:28.520: Speaker 1: Right, that's because your computer is a giant cavern.
13:31.960: It is, it's huge.
13:35.920: Speaker 1: So, because of the Dugdale dilemma of 2015, you have decided to get rid of the Macintosh.
13:42.640: Speaker 1: the the for the last couple of days I've been teasing you online that that is that is akin to saying, oh, my toilet backed up, so I'm going to get rid of the toilets in my house.
13:53.640: That's right.
13:54.280: Just get rid of all the toilets.
13:55.800: Speaker 1: Yeah, and I we hate toilets because they back up.
13:59.800: Speaker 1: They overflow.
14:01.000: Speaker 1: Get rid of the toilets.
14:02.040: I hate them.
14:03.040: Well, actually, if it did back up the data, it wouldn't be in this good situation.
14:08.959: Speaker 1: You have to use the word backup.
14:10.560: Speaker 1: I walked right into that.
14:11.920: Speaker 1: So so um I think I I I still think that this is ridiculous.
14:17.279: Speaker 1: It is the most specious argument I've ever heard.
14:21.000: Speaker 1: And I think you're overreacting because your wife is upset, embarrassed, and you have just been looking for an excuse to throw that Macintosh out.
14:29.639: Speaker 1: But of course, you're a very
14:31.759: Speaker 1: Frugal and wise businessman, so you'll end up selling it for 95% of what you paid for it, probably.
14:38.160: Um, that's a
14:39.440: That really brings up a good question.
14:41.360: Speaker 1: Because you'll probably end up signing the back of it, and one of your fans will say, Oh, I can get a Dave Dugdale signature iMac with a sharpie.
14:50.760: So my question, I even looked on eBay.
14:53.480: I was thinking about wiping the hard drive, reinstalling OS X, whatever, Mavericks, whatever it's called these days, mountain something.
15:03.000: What
15:04.100: What could I get from that computer?
15:05.620: It cost me two grand.
15:06.580: Is the resale value pretty good on the Apple stuff?
15:08.820: I have no idea.
15:10.340: You never sell stuff you use?
15:12.420: Speaker 1: I well, our office does.
15:14.340: Speaker 1: I'm not involved in it.
15:15.780: Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
15:18.420: Speaker 1: It's not horrible, but I know that when we sell them, from what I understand, Paul does not really hold out for the highest
15:27.240: Speaker 1: Bitter.
15:27.720: Speaker 1: He just wants to get it over with, you know, because he doesn't want to spend too much time on it.
15:31.080: Speaker 1: Yeah.
15:31.720: But, um So I was at C I was at Costco the other day and they have yeah, that's where I buy all my computers is at Costco.
15:39.640: Well, Costco has got a Windows machine.
15:42.360: Oh, awesome.
15:43.720: It's all in one.
15:44.840: That's why I would keep walking.
15:46.200: Yep.
15:47.000: 27-inch.
15:49.080: It doesn't have the same resolution.
15:51.400: The resolution is not as good.
15:53.400: But.
15:54.120: The specs are better.
15:55.160: It's got 16 gig of RAM.
15:56.600: It's got like a two terabyte hard drive.
15:58.920: So it's got a larger hard drive.
16:01.160: And it costs $1,300.
16:03.240: Speaker 1: That sounds like an awesome computer.
16:04.839: Speaker 1: And I hope that you are very, very happy with it.
16:08.000: Speaker 1: Can you put an additional hard drive inside it?
16:11.600: Speaker 1: No.
16:12.080: Speaker 1: So one of the major problems of your lack of a hard drive spi backup drive because you don't have a cavernous iMac that you can put a second hard drive in,
16:22.040: Speaker 1: One of the major problems of you losing your data, you still can't do with this $1,300 I want to be an iMac, but I can't because I don't have a good OS in me computer.
16:34.960: Speaker 1: You still have the same problem.
16:36.000: Speaker 1: You can't put a hard drive in it.
16:37.200: Speaker 1: So why are you why are you looking at that as an alternative when it still doesn't have the one thing that caused you all of this pain, which is a place to put a har a
16:47.520: Speaker 1: drive.
16:49.120: Speaker 1: Your argument doesn't hold any water for saying that this is a solution and a replacement, except that it has an OS that you personally are more comfortable with.
16:59.880: Speaker 1: Exactly.
17:01.240: Speaker 1: But you still don't have a drive, so what's the point?
17:04.520: Speaker 1: Well, couldn't I just um you could if you could have, then you could have with the iMac.
17:08.680: Speaker 1: But keep going.
17:09.240: Speaker 1: What were you gonna say?
17:10.540: I was going to say, you could probably put a very large USB stick in the back of it.
17:15.660: Speaker 1: Yeah, you could do that.
17:17.020: Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, there is a company, I think they're called PNY, I believe.
17:21.500: Speaker 1: I don't think it's PNG.
17:22.380: Speaker 1: I think it's PNY.
17:23.640: Speaker 1: And they make little tiny um S D gizmos.
17:27.640: Speaker 1: You're reaching you're probably reaching for one that you 'cause you have one.
17:31.240: No, I thought you were going to talk about like this one I bought.
17:35.019: I'm holding it up the camera.
17:36.460: It's a very small it's 256 gig and it writes at about 200.
17:41.580: So it's a USB 3 memory.
17:44.060: Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you could do that, although that's a little bit more of a bummer because it sticks out so far.
17:49.580: Speaker 1: But these PNYs, they actually stick into the S D slot, which is on the back of an iMac, and it's very short.
17:57.320: Speaker 1: So it barely even sticks out.
17:58.920: Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, it's designed to go into the S D slot of a MacBook Pro and be flush with the edge of the computer.
18:05.480: Speaker 1: So it's literally like putting an internal one hundred and twenty eight gigabyte drive inside your computer, even though it's just in the S D slot.
18:12.820: Speaker 1: So there are things that you could do, and you yourself, I'm just using your words, I'm just reciting what you said.
18:19.779: Speaker 1: I didn't want to have a hard drive hanging off the back of this.
18:22.860: Speaker 1: So I couldn't back it up.
18:23.899: Speaker 1: So therefore, all the data is lost.
18:25.419: Speaker 1: And now you're blaming the city of Cupertino and the County of Santa Clara County and the State of California because you couldn't put a second
18:32.980: Speaker 1: Computer inside the iMac, but you were going to buy another PC that still doesn't have the ability to put an internal drive in.
18:40.260: Yeah, but it still doesn't go back to the problem of the wife deleting the calumn.
18:44.980: Speaker 1: Well, the bottom line is.
18:47.659: Speaker 1: You don't want to be angry when you're hitting the delete key on a computer.
18:52.940: Speaker 1: And you probably don't want to let your children shoulder surf your passwords.
18:57.600: Speaker 1: Yeah.
18:58.720: Speaker 1: I mean, it does bring up a whole thing like, how do you manage computers around kids?
19:04.080: Speaker 1: And I bet you you could do a whole
19:06.840: Speaker 1: You know what?
19:07.640: Speaker 1: You could do that.
19:09.000: Speaker 1: You could do like a whole training thing on that.
19:13.400: Speaker 1: You don't think you could?
19:15.260: Speaker 1: On that subject?
19:16.460: Speaker 1: No.
19:17.419: Speaker 1: About dealing with kids and computers?
19:19.260: Speaker 1: You have kids and you're good with the computer.
19:21.659: Speaker 1: I'm failing at it.
19:22.700: Speaker 1: Well, you're actually very bad at it.
19:24.380: Speaker 1: I was just saying.
19:25.500: Speaker 1: But from these
19:26.640: Speaker 1: Problems you could learn things, I would think.
19:31.920: Speaker 1: No, I don't think I would do that, but
19:34.560: Speaker 1: But you know what?
19:35.280: Speaker 1: I I will tell you, Dave, I think you as you know, I think you have a wonderful personality.
19:40.960: Speaker 1: You're a gifted communicator and educator because people
19:45.720: Speaker 1: Immediately look at you and they go, Oh, I totally believe Dave.
19:48.760: Speaker 1: Dave says it, it must be true.
19:51.080: Speaker 1: I think, and I would imagine there is somewhere.
19:53.880: Speaker 1: You and I just don't shop around for this, but I bet you there's a market for a great
20:00.299: Speaker 1: Training thing about how to deal with computers in your kids.
20:05.340: I would think so.
20:06.059: I would think there'd be podcasts out there right now on that same subject.
20:09.820: But I appreciate you saying those kind words.
20:12.100: Speaker 1: That's something you know, I've always thought very highly of.
20:16.899: Yeah, right now I'm working on my, I just started like a couple of weeks ago on the Sony A7S course.
20:24.440: I'm learning.
20:25.399: I'm learning a ton as I do it.
20:27.720: That's why I do it because I figure I got to go through the whole thing anyway.
20:32.120: I've learned so many little things that are like, ooh, I didn't even know I could do that.
20:36.039: Oh, that's awesome.
20:37.919: Because the Sony manual sucks, basically.
20:40.480: It doesn't do anything at all.
20:42.240: Speaker 1: To be fair, Sony manuals have always sucked, even going back into the 80s of the, you know, both home electronics as well as broadcast equipment.
20:51.320: Speaker 1: It's always comical because you can read them and you go, This was obviously poorly translated from Japanese.
20:57.080: Speaker 1: Very by a prim by somebody who primarily speaks Japanese.
21:01.640: Speaker 1: Oh, yes, I speak I speak English.
21:03.640: Speaker 1: I can do this.
21:04.820: Speaker 1: So anyway, um, that brings up another comment.
21:07.700: Speaker 1: You mentioned Sony there.
21:10.420: Speaker 1: We were chatting today on the Meerkat
21:13.720: Speaker 1: which is the live streaming app.
21:15.320: Speaker 1: If you guys haven't heard of it, I'm sure you have if you're listening to this show.
21:18.600: Speaker 1: But if you're a Dave Dugdale fan who is listening primarily because Dave you heard that Dave Dugdale was going to be on another podcast
21:25.919: Speaker 1: Welcome to listening to this little thing about Final Cut, which is absolutely nothing about Final Cut right now to me.
21:33.120: Speaker 1: So you were saying, very interesting.
21:35.200: Speaker 1: So you were saying you were making the.
21:40.080: Speaker 1: The comparison that Apple is to Windows, I believe, what Canon is to
21:49.600: Speaker 1: Sony?
21:50.320: Speaker 1: Is was that the comparison the way you put it?
21:52.560: No, the other way around.
21:54.080: No, that wasn't me.
21:55.040: That was somebody else commented on somebody else was I was making, I think, dinner at the time, and I was just like
22:01.340: Cooking the girls' dinner while I was watching your podcast.
22:04.299: Somebody else made that comment.
22:05.260: It wasn't me.
22:05.980: Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
22:06.539: Speaker 1: I thought that was you.
22:08.059: But that's that's an interesting comment, though.
22:10.220: Speaker 1: But it's kind of like.
22:11.340: Speaker 1: I might have it backwards, by the way.
22:13.100: Speaker 1: I mean, but the bottom line is.
22:16.659: Speaker 1: Canon has been less receptive to and you mentioned this recently when we were talking, Canon has been less receptive to customer needs.
22:28.840: Speaker 1: Than what Sony has done.
22:31.320: Speaker 1: Oddly enough, you're looking at Sony as the godsend because historically Sony has been not responsive, but that's interesting that they've changed their ways.
22:40.679: Speaker 1: Because um and I don't remember w what uh I was probably just watching, you know, Dave Dugdale porn the other day.
22:47.399: Speaker 1: Uh and you were talking I mean that in a kind way, oddly enough.
22:51.639: Speaker 1: Um just more Dave Dugdale on the Internet.
22:54.360: Speaker 1: Uh
22:55.220: Speaker 1: You were talking about how you, oh no, it was.
22:58.100: Speaker 1: It was your, it was your NAB recap.
22:59.940: Speaker 1: I, you know, I sat there and I listened to you for a half hour.
23:02.919: Speaker 1: But or whatever else.
23:05.480: Speaker 1: No, I you know what?
23:06.440: Speaker 1: You're you you got to see this show floor and I absolutely did not.
23:10.679: Speaker 1: But your comment was
23:12.440: Speaker 1: It was very astute, actually.
23:13.799: Speaker 1: I very much appreciate what you did, where you said, I went in, I talked to the guys at the Cannon booth, and this is what they said in 2014.
23:22.440: Speaker 1: And this is what they said in twenty fifteen.
23:24.440: Speaker 1: I thought that was a very interesting way of judging the veracity of what they were or were not saying by comparing it to what they did or did not say last year.
23:35.600: Speaker 1: Which leads a lot of credence and makes it a very valid thing for somebody like yourself to go
23:43.460: Speaker 1: you know, every year to see how things are actually changing.
23:46.820: Speaker 1: Not just what is or isn't there this year, but but to but to plot that trajectory over time, you know.
23:55.419: Yeah, definitely.
23:56.460: And I think your comment today, you had said something that totally makes sense is on your mirror cast, whatever you want to call it.
24:05.500: While I was making dinner, I was listening to you talking about how
24:09.480: you know, you if you have an NLE like, you know, premiere and then an NLE like Final Cut, you know, Final Cut one year might have
24:19.440: Awesome features, and you might be on the premiere side and say, Oh, I want those features.
24:23.519: Yeah, I call that hop scotching.
24:26.159: You flip back and forth type of thing.
24:28.240: And if I was on a Mac, I bet I could do that quite easily.
24:31.440: But
24:34.159: The comment that I wanted to make about that on the Canon side of things, I think Canon is like innovating and creating good products for video type people, but at a very expensive level.
24:46.400: I think $1,000 to let's say $3,000 range, they've kind of said, okay, we're not really going to do much there.
24:54.860: Right.
24:55.580: Here their XC one hundred or whatever, XC ten or whatever it's called, to me is kind of like, come on, you're giving us such a small sensor.
25:04.500: Speaker 1: So I think what happens, and again, this is drawn from decades of being in this business.
25:12.540: Speaker 1: If you go back for the last 10, 20, 30 years, there is always a point where there is
25:21.019: Speaker 1: Product that is an anomaly.
25:23.580: Speaker 1: And this has happened in the Canon world, it's happened in the Sony world, it's happened in the Panasonic world.
25:29.540: Speaker 1: And there is a product where what I perceive is happening, and I don't know that this is actually the case, but marketing and engineering have a lack of communication
25:41.340: Speaker 1: And the engineering people say, Oh, I thought you wanted all those features.
25:46.700: Speaker 1: And the marketing people were like, No, we were trying to do a $1,500 camera or a $2,000 camera.
25:52.760: Speaker 1: Not a $20,000 camera.
25:55.000: Speaker 1: And so, like, and there have been cameras throughout the last several handful of decades that I'm experienced with three of them where
26:06.640: Speaker 1: It's like it's one camera that everybody is like, that's the one.
26:12.640: Speaker 1: You know, at the turn of the century, it was the VX1000.
26:15.460: Speaker 1: Think it was, and it was for whatever reason that camera was the darling child.
26:20.500: Speaker 1: And I didn't follow cameras, and nor do I still follow cameras enough to be able to go, oh.
26:25.940: Speaker 1: The reason people like it were this, this, and this, and it was only this much money.
26:30.980: Speaker 1: Um, there was the um
26:34.960: Speaker 1: The S uh more recently it was the something three and SR3 or XR3 or whatever.
26:43.760: Speaker 1: I don't know.
26:44.540: Speaker 1: that's been very popular.
26:46.300: Speaker 1: The current one at the more high endy level is the FS seven.
26:52.540: Speaker 1: My boss Paul bought the FS seven when it first came out and it didn't even have certain features.
26:58.900: Speaker 1: And literally in the Bay Area here where we are, San Francisco Bay Area, he had, I believe it was three different camera rental houses.
27:09.000: Speaker 1: which ostensibly are kind of competitors to us.
27:13.480: Speaker 1: We're more of a production house than a rental house.
27:16.280: Speaker 1: And
27:17.120: Speaker 1: And they were like calling up Paul going, Hey, you got that FS7?
27:20.640: Speaker 1: Yeah.
27:20.960: Speaker 1: Can I come by and see it?
27:22.480: Speaker 1: And so all of a sudden, you know, he's tied up for like half an afternoon showing
27:27.919: Speaker 1: These guys who are kind of competitors going through, like saying, Yeah, this is the camera.
27:34.400: Speaker 1: And he looks at it as
27:37.179: Speaker 1: Yes, I want you guys to buy the same camera that I'm getting because that way when we need two and three and four of them in one location, we can help each other out.
27:48.059: Speaker 1: He's actually very good at fostering relationships.
27:51.440: Speaker 1: Between other production companies and rental houses.
27:54.880: Speaker 1: And he does a lot of, you know, bartering and trading with them.
27:57.519: Speaker 1: Hey, come on, throw in your camera, and I'll give you mine someday, whatever.
28:02.000: Speaker 1: So but it's to Paul, it's highly advantageous that these other companies have the same gear.
28:09.039: Speaker 1: Okay.
28:10.000: Speaker 1: And so right now at that level, sort of the not I wouldn't call that a broadcast camera, but it's, I don't know, whatever level that is, the FS7 is the darling child.
28:21.360: Speaker 1: And what happens is
28:22.740: Speaker 1: The feature set is very high, but the price is very low.
28:28.980: Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, everybody goes crazy over it.
28:33.800: Speaker 1: And I think that what happened was that the 5D Mark II was a mistake.
28:43.300: Speaker 1: It was clearly a mistake.
28:46.020: Speaker 1: It truly did cause a revolution.
28:50.060: Speaker 1: The 5D Mark III, they were basically bitched into making.
28:55.820: Speaker 1: And I don't think Sony has any interest in making a 5D Mark IV.
29:04.059: Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they won't, but they really don't.
29:08.380: Speaker 1: They have no intention of making the 5D Mark IV
29:12.700: Speaker 1: cut into the market for the C one hundred, the C three hundred, you know, those.
29:20.700: Speaker 1: A mistake happened in 2009 or whatever year it was.
29:25.440: Speaker 1: And there will not be another mistake of that magnitude for another decade.
29:30.480: Speaker 1: That's my prediction.
29:32.400: Speaker 1: And I think that over the next couple of years,
29:34.460: Speaker 1: Like the 5D Mark IV will be more of a disappointment than the 5D Mark III was.
29:39.020: Speaker 1: It'll be a little better, but it won't be like, give me my XLRs, give me my headphone jack, give me my latte maker, whatever it is it takes.
29:47.540: Speaker 1: You know, my your comment in your in your uh NAB thing was focus peaking and something else.
29:54.820: Speaker 1: Like zebras or yeah, yeah, yeah.
29:56.660: No, it's not.
29:58.140: They can't even give us that.
29:59.900: Speaker 1: No, they can give you that.
30:01.340: Speaker 1: And they have given you that.
30:04.220: Speaker 1: You just don't want to pay the $9,000 for it or $5,000 or whatever it is.
30:09.860: Speaker 1: You say they can't give you that.
30:11.940: Speaker 1: They absolutely have given you that.
30:14.020: Speaker 1: You just don't want to pay for it.
30:15.620: Speaker 1: Correct.
30:17.460: Speaker 1: So that's the thing.
30:18.420: Speaker 1: It's like 5D Mark II, total mistake.
30:21.740: Speaker 1: They have to slowly back away from that because they don't want to give those kind of features at that price point because they're protecting their high end market.
30:32.500: Now you weren't on the show floor at all, but for me, and I talked about this in my that video referring to as well, but basically
30:41.560: It was a massive shift between NEB 2014 and this is a very interesting thing.
30:48.940: Yeah, because last year when I was there, everybody was carrying around a 5D Mark III just to document the stuff that they were doing.
30:54.779: They're doing interviews or they're just documenting their experience or taking snapshots of the booths or whatever they're doing.
31:01.280: This year, I did see a few, maybe like one or two or three, but the vast majority were either A7Ss
31:09.100: Or GH4s on the floor.
31:11.020: Everybody was carrying around lighter weight cameras with smaller lenses.
31:14.700: And I would even say that I saw more.
31:17.840: A7Ss than I did GH fours.
31:20.880: So I it was just a massive shift.
31:22.799: It's like everybody's like, all right, I'm getting rid of my Canon bodies, but I'll keep the Cannon glass, but I'm going to switch over to Sony Panasonic.
31:32.540: Speaker 1: So this kind of goes to this speaks slightly to the thing that you alluded to earlier, and I just want to slow that down and explain it with a little bit more detail.
31:42.860: Speaker 1: What when you said you were making dinner and listening in to my mere cast?
31:48.460: Speaker 1: I was.
31:49.020: Speaker 1: I was cooking dinner.
31:50.220: Speaker 1: Sorry to be interrupting your family time.
31:52.220: Oh no.
31:52.940: The girls were off doing something and I was there outside.
31:55.740: Speaker 1: So my my theory/slash philosophy when it comes to any kind of hardware and or software is
32:04.200: Speaker 1: Slow and steady pays the bills.
32:07.000: Speaker 1: Okay, that's my overall guiding principle.
32:10.520: Speaker 1: Slow and steady pays the bills.
32:12.680: Speaker 1: It is very easy in this business to
32:16.400: Speaker 1: be on a constant quest for the geargasm and find, you know, the ultimate, you know, dynamic range and
32:24.940: Speaker 1: I need another half stop of this, or I need more focus knobs or tweaking peaks or whatever it is that floats your boat.
32:35.500: Speaker 1: And it might be better, low light, whatever.
32:39.540: Speaker 1: And if every year at NAB you rush out and buy whatever is new, you will be very happy with your new camera.
32:51.820: Speaker 1: But you're probably never going to make a good living because you're spending so much money on equipment.
32:59.100: Speaker 1: It's kind of like, you know, I have avoided
33:03.280: Speaker 1: I went from an iPhone 4S to a 6 Plus.
33:08.400: Speaker 1: I skipped both generations of the 5s.
33:11.220: Speaker 1: And I was really I really kind of had my heart set on the Five because if you follow Steve Jobs' folklore, the iPhone 5 presumably was the last product that he had his hand in.
33:24.440: Speaker 1: Before he passed away.
33:25.720: Speaker 1: So I was like, Yeah, I totally, you know, I'll totally get one because it's like Steve's last thing.
33:30.600: Speaker 1: And then I saw it and I was like, that's really light.
33:33.860: Speaker 1: But I don't want to spend the money.
33:35.300: Speaker 1: So I skipped the five and the five S.
33:38.180: Speaker 1: So and and by doing so, and you got to remember, I've been doing this a long time, and you have tube, although you did your real estate thing for a while, whatever.
33:46.500: Speaker 1: So, um
33:47.720: Speaker 1: But you gotta if you're trying to make money with this equipment, you gotta let it you gotta let it ride for a couple of generations.
33:57.120: Speaker 1: And sometimes that means I'm not going to be the guy with the most newest, greatest thing.
34:07.100: Speaker 1: We have a guy, and let me tell you one quick story.
34:08.940: Speaker 1: We have a guy that we hire often in Las Vegas, and I don't know his full name.
34:15.179: Speaker 1: He's just Norm.
34:16.679: Speaker 1: Is a guy named Norm.
34:18.119: Speaker 1: And we have a lot of clients that do big shows in Vegas, and we need the guy to shoot the green screen stuff.
34:24.200: Speaker 1: And Norm is a local guy to Las Vegas.
34:28.039: Speaker 1: And he's diligent, and clients love him, and the producers all know him.
34:34.440: Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, call Norm.
34:36.119: Speaker 1: It'll be great.
34:36.599: Speaker 1: It'll be great.
34:37.159: Speaker 1: Call Norm.
34:37.720: Speaker 1: It'll be great.
34:38.340: Speaker 1: The problem is, Norm has been shooting with this crap P2 camera for way too long, and it shoots 1280 by 1080.
34:50.240: Speaker 1: And then it has to like get stretched.
34:52.079: Speaker 1: So it's a 1.
34:53.599: Speaker 1: 5 anamorphic to get it out to 1920 by 1080.
34:57.760: Speaker 1: And most of what Norm shoots for us
35:00.240: Speaker 1: is green screen.
35:01.520: Speaker 1: And that leaves a crappy key when you have to expand out those pixels like that.
35:06.880: Speaker 1: And finally, this year, come January, Norm did a big shoot for us in December.
35:12.500: Speaker 1: And I put my foot down.
35:14.340: Speaker 1: I said, this has got to stop.
35:20.260: Speaker 1: It has got to stop.
35:21.260: Speaker 1: Stop.
35:21.740: Speaker 1: I don't want a key.
35:23.580: Speaker 1: And the thing is, it's like people like it doesn't really look that good.
35:27.180: Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't look good because it's a crap format.
35:30.220: He could probably pick up a used T2i for $150 off Craig's list of stuff.
35:34.380: Yeah, but Norm's a broadcast kind of guy.
35:36.619: Speaker 1: He would never shoot with that camera.
35:38.140: Speaker 1: So I think he just got, I think, actually, I think he got an FS7 on it.
35:43.460: Speaker 1: Wow.
35:43.859: Speaker 1: Wow.
35:44.260: Speaker 1: So he went from a panic socket, you know, 1.
35:47.940: Speaker 1: 5 anamorphic P2 nightmare thing to a.
35:52.500: Speaker 1: I believe he he too went to the FF7.
35:55.300: Speaker 1: But anyway, so but but I will tell you, Norm has been making money with that camera.
36:00.539: And it's that's very true.
36:02.140: And one other thing I want to add to that is if you keep the camera for long enough, you know, obviously after the first, I would say
36:09.840: Three or four months of using it, a lot, you're going to have you're going to develop muscle memory for the camera.
36:15.440: You're going to know exactly how to dial it in and you know how to.
36:18.320: Oh, absolutely.
36:19.840: And the other thing is, you're going to see how that
36:23.820: Particular camera performs in all sorts of different lighting situations, like even doing the green screen type of work to everything.
36:31.820: You're going to know that camera so well after using it for maybe a couple of years.
36:36.940: But for me, I unfortunately don't have that luxury of keeping a camera that long because I have to like create courses and stuff like that.
36:44.700: And it's
36:45.620: I kind of miss it because if I were to have the same camera I had like three years ago, you know, I think I would know how to use it even better.
36:53.540: But now I get newer cameras
36:56.220: They perform better, but does.
36:58.700: You're not as good at it.
36:59.980: You're not as good at it.
37:00.700: Exactly.
37:01.260: Exactly.
37:02.380: Speaker 1: That being said, Dave, I think you're a fantastic shooter.
37:07.079: Speaker 1: I think you do a great job.
37:08.520: Speaker 1: And even the piece with Natalie that I did the audio edit on, I'm glad it's getting so many views.
37:15.000: Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess it's not that many views.
37:18.180: Speaker 1: It was a great piece before I screwed it up.
37:20.740: No, you did a great job with it.
37:22.980: That was fun.
37:23.620: I loved how you, I don't know how you did it, but.
37:26.340: All that stuff you did with the Windows floating in on both of us in and out.
37:31.620: Oh, that's cool.
37:32.180: Wow.
37:32.820: Speaker 1: That was cool.
37:33.780: Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an application that's available on your Macintosh.
37:39.300: Speaker 1: What is it called?
37:40.200: Speaker 1: It's called Screenflow.
37:42.040: Oh, I have it.
37:42.680: I have it.
37:43.960: Speaker 1: On your Mac on your mom's on your wife's Mac, I mean?
37:46.839: Speaker 1: Sorry.
37:47.240: Yeah, 'cause I bought it for the last time we did the
37:50.860: The last NAB, twenty fourteen.
37:53.180: I used the screen flow.
37:54.620: Speaker 1: Right, that's right.
37:55.260: Speaker 1: I gave you the files.
37:56.140: Speaker 1: I was I actually I did not realize you had had to do that.
37:58.940: Speaker 1: I'm sorry about that.
38:00.180: Speaker 1: No.
38:01.140: Speaker 1: It's not an insignificant application, but it is an amazing application.
38:05.540: Speaker 1: And also, I will say that
38:09.120: Speaker 1: When I do a screen flow on my iMac, the 5K iMac, actually, let me see.
38:14.960: Speaker 1: Can I do this while I'm recording?
38:16.640: Speaker 1: Let me just do a quick test record here.
38:19.860: Speaker 1: Yep, hold on.
38:21.060: Speaker 1: I hope I don't screw up my podcast recording.
38:24.500: Speaker 1: Recording error due to an internal error making your
38:27.600: Speaker 1: It's like, no, you're recording a podcast.
38:29.280: Speaker 1: You cannot do this.
38:30.400: Speaker 1: Okay, so anyway, it records the screen at 6,400 pixels by whatever the 9 is of that 60 by 9 aspect ratio.
38:40.120: Speaker 1: Giant, giant pixel count.
38:42.920: Speaker 1: And it also gives you the ability to do amazing zooms, and it's very fluid.
38:48.620: Speaker 1: No, you did a great job editing that.
38:50.540: I I kind of watched it together.
38:53.100: It was great.
38:53.820: And if any none of you guys watched it, you should go watch it because Chris does a great job of showing a lot of different tricks on how to use
39:02.900: You know, cut audio to the music.
39:05.860: Speaker 1: I have a question.
39:06.820: Speaker 1: I'm seeing a video on your website here providing preview footage to a client early.
39:11.940: Speaker 1: What is the gist of that piece?
39:13.620: Speaker 1: I noticed it also has the Natalie footage.
39:16.099: Yeah, it was basically what I did there is I when I got home from Hawaii, and I hear you're going to Hawaii soon.
39:23.300: Sunday, yes, I have to go on Mother's Day.
39:25.300: Speaker 1: I'm very angry.
39:26.760: You're going to Maui, right?
39:29.400: I think so.
39:30.119: Is that where Natalie is?
39:31.480: Yeah, that's where she is.
39:33.160: So I basically, when I got home from that, I just basically
39:38.599: Just as you would, I guess you would do.
39:40.599: You bump up stuff on your you know, you have it on your terminal in your editor and you bump up the good cuts.
39:48.119: And then I just basically consolidated those cuts.
39:51.420: Laid a piece of music down really quick that I thought might work with it just because I wanted to get an idea.
39:57.100: And then what I usually do is I'll like upload it to Vimeo.
40:00.040: And then I'll watch it and like see what kind of works, if that music works at all, because I might be thinking about a different cut.
40:06.280: Why do you upload it to Vimeo to see if the music works?
40:09.760: Because I could like if you know, I'm putting one of my girls to bed or something like that, and I'm sitting there with my iPhone doing nothing.
40:18.000: Like I'm like, well, let's watch it and see what works and what doesn't.
40:21.340: becomes more mobile than being attached to my computer right here.
40:24.540: Interesting.
40:25.100: So that's the reason I do it.
40:26.460: And then since I had it up on the Vimeo, I was like, it's password protected.
40:32.620: Or in this case, because I asked Natalie, is it okay to share?
40:35.580: And she said, sure.
40:36.620: So I just put on my blog and asked that question to everybody.
40:41.180: Do you share this type of stuff with your client early?
40:43.980: Because I thought some of it was pretty good and it might get her excited.
40:46.940: And I knew it was going to be a while until I could actually deliver it to her.
40:53.160: Speaker 1: So that's something that's actually been on your blog for a while and I just missed it because I don't commit your site to memory.
40:58.280: Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying?
40:59.160: Speaker 1: Was that there before anybody?
41:02.520: Speaker 1: Yeah, even bad.
41:04.980: No, but I didn't even know you had changed the name of your site.
41:10.820: It's hard to see.
41:12.580: It would be hard to do.
41:13.780: Speaker 1: There's the top of the page.
41:15.620: No.
41:17.140: But it was interesting, the comments.
41:19.620: A lot of people came back.
41:20.500: Some people said, No, never do it, you know, because it opens a can of worms.
41:24.900: And some people were like, Yeah, if it's, you know, if it's good
41:28.340: Go ahead and share it.
41:29.380: Speaker 1: I'm always amazed when like I don't know if you I don't I can't remember I was on the Meerkat a lot today, and I don't know if you were there
41:38.500: Speaker 1: when I got ambushed in my edit suite where they came down the hall from the from the studio where I was, and they were like, We need you to do a test key of something
41:48.720: Speaker 1: And they they needed to see if this dude's coat was going to be um uh uh moray, 'cause they they saw a little bit of moray in this control room and they l they went to see what it looked like once it was keyed and everything.
42:03.740: Speaker 1: And it was just hysterical because there's like this there's this crowd of people over my shoulder and they're like leaning over and they're like, I can't
42:13.040: Speaker 1: See it.
42:13.360: Speaker 1: I can't see it.
42:13.920: Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it bigger.
42:15.040: Speaker 1: You know.
42:16.640: And it was just and you were mirror casting at the same time?
42:20.080: Oh, well, they didn't know that.
42:22.060: Speaker 1: Oh, cool.
42:23.660: Speaker 1: And so people were saying stuff like, oh my God, these people are ridiculous.
42:28.380: Speaker 1: But they're not ridiculous.
42:31.340: Speaker 1: They're very diligent at taking care of their job and stuff like that.
42:35.580: Speaker 1: But.
42:38.619: Speaker 1: It is it fascinates me as an editor when I get to talk to people that can work in an autonomous situation.
42:49.160: Speaker 1: You know, because that is the absolute antithesis of the way I get to work 98% of the time.
42:57.940: Speaker 1: I always have somebody either over my shoulder literally or like today virtually.
43:04.580: Speaker 1: You know, I have to run up, run my cuts up, up the flagpole and
43:10.900: Speaker 1: You know, and frankly, most editors do, but I'm fascinated at the people that get to work autonomously.
43:17.300: Speaker 1: I envy them.
43:19.220: Well, not so much envy because you'll do an edit and then you're like, is it good?
43:24.740: I've watched this thing so many times.
43:26.500: Is it good?
43:27.220: You know, like, I don't know.
43:28.660: And so it's nice to have people that you trust that you can bounce.
43:32.799: It often like if it's a two or three minute piece, you could send it to somebody that you know and say, Am I on the right track?
43:37.920: And they're like, Well, I want to change this around.
43:40.319: Speaker 1: One of the things that's extremely frustrating is the fact that
43:45.060: Speaker 1: And I could totally get myself in trouble saying this, but I'm going to say it anyway because I'm that stupid.
43:50.980: Speaker 1: Quite often
43:53.680: Speaker 1: We have been commissioned by somebody who is not a professional communicator when it comes to the video world, okay?
44:05.400: Speaker 1: And they and these people have the power and authority, more importantly.
44:16.779: Speaker 1: To make us make bad decisions.
44:21.500: Speaker 1: Okay.
44:22.220: Speaker 1: And so it would kind of, I liken it to sort of, you know.
44:26.220: Speaker 1: The Pope coming in and going, I don't understand why isn't God actually touching Adam?
44:32.220: Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be better?
44:33.900: Speaker 1: You know, like pointing up at the ceiling.
44:36.440: Speaker 1: And Michelangelo going, No, you idiot, let me do my work, you know.
44:40.599: Speaker 1: And not that what I do is anything like Michelangelo.
44:43.480: Speaker 1: That's not the point.
44:44.839: Speaker 1: But there comes a time where
44:47.400: Speaker 1: You got to trust the guy who does this all the time.
44:51.800: Speaker 1: Yeah.
44:52.760: Speaker 1: And I will say that most of the time I can't get to that point with my clients.
44:57.900: It was interesting.
45:00.380: I had coffee with this one woman I know, and she actually does some work for the Weather Channel.
45:06.540: Her name is Hallie O'Brien.
45:07.820: I've done a video with her before.
45:08.940: I'm going to actually do some
45:10.340: more stuff out there.
45:11.700: I I pitched an idea to her and she really liked it.
45:14.260: So we're going to work on other project.
45:16.500: And we were talking about editing and 'cause we all kind of we both edit kind of in this vacuum of our office and we don't really nobody else to see
45:24.160: Sees it kind of thing.
45:25.520: But we both talked about how when it you just get a certain feeling when you're editing and it just feels right, and everything is clicking into place, you have this.
45:35.859: Feeling, and then you put it out there, especially in my instance, I can put it out there.
45:39.540: And then within a couple of hours, I know whether I did it right or not, because people will comment, like, yeah, great job, or I'm getting a lot of down votes, or something like that.
45:48.740: And she's the same way.
45:49.700: She's like,
45:50.960: It's getting to the point, she's been doing it for years, like I have, that you almost know, and it's a really good feeling because even if you're putting it out and you're like, well, it's not great, and sure enough.
46:03.520: People say it's not great by their down votes or whatever.
46:07.040: But the times that you say, yeah, this is going to be really good, and you get really good positive feedback on it, that means that we're both talking about how you can kind of trust.
46:16.940: That inner voice in your head that's saying, Yeah, this is good.
46:20.060: You know, I think that it works.
46:22.460: Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting.
46:23.900: Speaker 1: I'm going to get a little personal here, but you know, I did the
46:26.940: Speaker 1: I did the piece for my friend who passed away.
46:29.500: Speaker 1: And I think I played it.
46:30.859: Speaker 1: The Black Limber piece.
46:32.220: Speaker 1: Yeah.
46:32.460: Yeah.
46:32.700: I got to see it.
46:33.820: Speaker 1: And
46:36.420: Speaker 1: You know, I gotta say, I don't believe the company has chosen to make that thing public.
46:42.500: Speaker 1: And it's certainly theirs.
46:44.980: Speaker 1: It's not really mine to decide, you know, I want to make this public.
46:50.520: Speaker 1: I think Gordon, knowing the spirit of my dear friend Gordon, he would love it.
46:55.160: Speaker 1: He just wants everybody to hear great things about him.
46:59.360: Speaker 1: Is still even from the grave.
47:01.040: Speaker 1: I know he's a ham at heart.
47:03.840: Speaker 1: So I think he would enjoy the fact that everybody was still talking about him.
47:08.880: Speaker 1: But I gotta say, part of me
47:12.380: Speaker 1: I would be I would be extremely um reticent to put
47:21.480: Speaker 1: And I think this is what being a filmmaker is.
47:23.560: Speaker 1: I would be extremely reticent to put that out there because I believe it's one of the best things I've ever cut in my life.
47:30.200: Speaker 1: And if it and if people don't like it, then who am I?
47:33.880: You'd be doubting yourself.
47:35.080: Speaker 1: Yeah.
47:35.560: Speaker 1: Not doubting myself, but I've been inflating my own ego.
47:40.760: So I thought you did a great job cutting it.
47:43.400: It was well done because there was a lot of ping pong back and forth between different lines of people answering the same question.
47:49.760: And that's got to be hard to cut because you've got to understand all those pieces and how they flow together and how they're going to answer those type of questions.
47:57.520: Speaker 1: I got to say, I really enjoyed our twenty fourteen edit.
48:01.440: Speaker 1: I know that there was at one point where
48:04.000: Speaker 1: you had said something like, How did you what made you think of putting those two things together?
48:10.080: Speaker 1: And I was like, I I don't know, it just it
48:13.140: Speaker 1: Listen to the words.
48:14.180: Speaker 1: I mean, it kind of makes sense.
48:15.380: Speaker 1: And I think that when it comes to edit the editorial process as an editor, people so I think sometimes
48:24.000: Speaker 1: I will say this.
48:25.520: Speaker 1: I won't say I think, but I will tell you that in my own mind, that I, as a young editor, you
48:35.680: Speaker 1: You come to the realization that editing is a whole lot more than just the technology and bells and whistles and filters, and
48:43.020: Speaker 1: Compressors and whatnot, you know, and that ultimately it is telling a story.
48:47.740: Speaker 1: And I've told this story in the past, but it's never stopped me from saying telling it again.
48:53.660: Speaker 1: When I was
48:56.240: Speaker 1: I was a young buck.
48:57.920: Speaker 1: I was probably I was probably 28, 29 years old, and I was delivering a
49:08.480: Speaker 1: No, it was probably about 31.
49:11.600: Speaker 1: And I was delivering graphics for a client in the city, and I had
49:17.079: Speaker 1: The occasion to be alone with the editor in her suite for a few minutes.
49:21.800: Speaker 1: And I was just geeking out because this is old school editing.
49:25.400: Speaker 1: This is.
49:26.400: Speaker 1: Literally, um, a Grass Valley 300 switcher.
49:29.280: Speaker 1: And if anybody knows what a Grass Valley 300 switcher is, it's about four and a half feet long and
49:34.920: Speaker 1: you know, three, you know, two and a half, three feet deep and it's got a thousand buttons on it and it it it actually is very similar to
49:43.080: Speaker 1: One of the props they used in Star Wars for destroying De the Death Star.
49:48.280: Speaker 1: That is a Grass Valley production switcher fader bar where they go
49:52.660: Speaker 1: And they blow up the Death Star.
49:54.020: Speaker 1: Yeah.
49:55.060: Speaker 1: That was actually from a Grass Valley 1600, not a 300.
49:58.340: Speaker 1: But trivia.
50:00.020: Speaker 1: Nobody cares, Fenwick.
50:01.900: Speaker 1: And I sat there in her suite and I'm just geeking out with all the gear.
50:05.900: Speaker 1: And I said, So tell me, um uh uh what part of editing do you like the best?
50:11.180: Speaker 1: And I was definitely
50:13.520: Speaker 1: Alluding to the equipment.
50:15.599: Speaker 1: Do you like the switcher?
50:16.560: Speaker 1: Do you like the character generator?
50:17.760: Speaker 1: Do you like the DVE?
50:18.960: Speaker 1: Do you like, you know, what part of editing do you like the best?
50:25.099: Speaker 1: And in five words, she completely slayed me.
50:29.500: Speaker 1: She said, I like to tell stories.
50:32.760: Speaker 1: I was like, oh yeah, I guess that's really what it's about, isn't it?
50:37.880: On the topic, and I asked this question to you when you're when I was cooking dinner, but I think it
50:43.440: You were getting so many questions at the time.
50:46.000: You didn't get to see it, but what do you think?
50:48.800: And I know you're following him.
50:50.079: I'm pretty sure you're following him.
50:52.140: The guy that is just totally killing it right now in terms of editing, and he does it on a nightly basis, is Casey Neistat.
50:59.420: Oh, yeah.
51:00.320: Speaker 1: Oh man, I don't know how he does it, but he's I am a giant, I am a giant Casey Neistad fan.
51:06.960: Speaker 1: I am too.
51:07.680: I'm just like, how does he do it?
51:09.620: Speaker 1: I am so impressed with him.
51:12.260: Speaker 1: I've been trying to kiss his butt, and I want to get him on DCC to talk about filmmaking.
51:18.340: Speaker 1: He is immensely
51:23.080: Speaker 1: Inspirational, even to an old guy like me who's been doing it for a long time.
51:27.560: Speaker 1: And I've been in this business a lot longer than Casey, a lot longer than him, easily twice as long as he has.
51:35.320: Speaker 1: And I look at the way he cuts and I love the way he cuts.
51:39.000: Speaker 1: And he's a guy who is literally cutting in an autonomous vacuum.
51:45.160: Speaker 1: Yeah.
51:45.720: Speaker 1: And yet he has great taste and he's killing it.
51:52.680: Speaker 1: Yes, he's been doing a nightly vlog.
51:56.220: He edits it at night.
51:57.660: Yeah, he just puts together.
51:58.940: And Vic, one of the, you brought up that topic of like, because I was talking to this woman I had coffee with, and she said the whole part of
52:07.820: Like, I don't care what I cut because he was like, you know, a lot of people made comments that I'm showing too much of me running.
52:15.980: Well,
52:16.740: I'm going to show nothing but running this video or something like that.
52:20.180: He's like, I don't care, you know?
52:22.820: And how he does it is just amazing.
52:24.900: There's a lot of cuts to the music and all the time lapses that go in between and the little
52:31.380: The quippy type stuff he's got in between of things he finds that are unusual in the city, which I'm sure happens every day, but
52:38.340: Yeah, he's got a great style.
52:40.260: Speaker 1: Yeah, I love Casey's vlog.
52:43.140: Speaker 1: And also, you know, there was one episode.
52:46.860: Speaker 1: Fairly early on, where he does his little QA thing.
52:54.860: I know exactly what you're going to talk about.
52:56.380: And I love that quote that he said.
52:58.220: Speaker 1: And somebody said,
53:01.579: Speaker 1: You're a filmmaker.
53:03.500: Speaker 1: Why are you making a vlog?
53:06.060: Speaker 1: And I tweeted the quote.
53:07.420: Speaker 1: I think.
53:07.980: Yeah, I think my comment is probably the top comment on YouTube where he said something like.
53:14.500: We don't follow old school type of stuff.
53:17.700: We're here to make the new cliches or something like that, basically.
53:21.140: Speaker 1: Yes, he said that.
53:22.340: And I said that was like the quote of the week.
53:24.100: You know, that was great.
53:25.300: Speaker 1: Oh, it's much more than that.
53:26.660: Speaker 1: Let me see.
53:27.300: Speaker 1: Can I find it?
53:29.440: Speaker 1: Here we go.
53:30.560: Speaker 1: Our job as filmmakers implied is to create new cliches not adhere to those that were defined by generations past.
53:39.040: Speaker 1: Casey Neistat.
53:41.279: Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was distinct.
53:42.480: Speaker 1: Totally agree.
53:43.200: Speaker 1: Totally agree.
53:44.480: And his editing style is so unique and
53:48.620: Just out there.
53:49.500: Speaker 1: I love the fact how irreverent he is about like camera technology.
53:53.500: Speaker 1: I don't care.
53:54.460: Speaker 1: He says in one of his QAs, he goes, You know what the
53:57.059: Speaker 1: You know what?
53:57.380: Speaker 1: The question I hate more than anything: what did you shoot that on?
54:01.619: Speaker 1: I hate that question.
54:02.660: Speaker 1: It's the most boring question.
54:04.020: Speaker 1: Next question: What camera did you use?
54:05.859: Speaker 1: There you go.
54:06.819: Speaker 1: I'm done.
54:08.599: And he's what gets me, I don't know like if you watched the one he did this morning about the red carpet thing, but he's on his bicycle riding to this red carpet event
54:18.340: And Vogue has asked him to just they were like, just shoot something, shoot, create a video for us.
54:23.860: We don't care what it is.
54:25.060: We trust you.
54:26.020: Just go make one.
54:27.140: And he's like.
54:28.140: He goes, all right, I'm heading there right now, and now I got to make this video for them.
54:32.140: But I'm also making this vlog video too at the same time.
54:35.260: He says, I'm using the same part of that part of the brain.
54:37.980: I don't know how I'm going to do it, kind of thing.
54:39.579: Because you know.
54:41.200: And this is something I've tried to do: is not necessarily copy what he's doing.
54:45.360: Speaker 1: It's actually, hold on, wait, but before you go, it's actually much more complicated than that.
54:49.220: Speaker 1: Because he's shooting, I didn't realize he was shooting something for Vogue.
54:52.660: Speaker 1: Of course, he's always shooting something for his vlog, but he's also doing a Snapchat story at the same time.
54:58.799: It's amazing.
55:00.240: He's got it's got but the thing that gets me about this whole thing he's been doing for the last 30 days or so is
55:08.420: He's exercising a muscle in his head, you know, his brain.
55:12.180: That part, when he talked about it today, it's like, well, I've got to shoot this, I'm going to shoot this at the same time.
55:17.240: He's doing it every day, and he's getting better and better at it.
55:20.200: Like, you know, with us, if we're trying to tell a story, like, oh, let's do some pre production, let's do some of this stuff.
55:26.520: And he's exercising that muscle every single day.
55:30.360: And I think that's just
55:31.940: That's amazing that he can do that.
55:34.020: You get better at it.
55:35.300: Speaker 1: You totally do.
55:36.180: Speaker 1: And I think that one of the things that I have told young people many times in the past when they say, I want to do what you do, and I tell them flat out, look,
55:46.620: Speaker 1: In your pocket, you have a great camera and a pretty good editing system.
55:53.660: Speaker 1: You want to be an editor?
55:55.100: Speaker 1: Edit me one story a week.
55:58.420: Speaker 1: I only give them the challenge of doing one a week.
56:00.980: Speaker 1: But yeah, edit me a story every day.
56:04.500: Speaker 1: You can use iMovie on your iPhone.
56:06.420: Speaker 1: It's actually pretty good.
56:08.580: Speaker 1: And the camera in your iPhone is pretty awesome, and the camera in the sixes are astonishing.
56:16.140: Speaker 1: Just get out there and tell a story.
56:18.220: Speaker 1: And frankly, I don't care what the story is.
56:20.619: Speaker 1: Teach me how to tie your sh how you tie your shoes.
56:23.099: Speaker 1: Tell me how you make an omelette.
56:24.619: Speaker 1: Tell me where you go for coffee and why.
56:27.579: Speaker 1: But tell me the story and capture my imagination.
56:31.800: Speaker 1: Then you're telling then you can be an editor, and frankly, then you can be a filmmaker.
56:37.320: And like with Casey, like you could see he's experimenting with certain things and you could see what works, and then he keeps you'll repeat that kind of
56:45.180: Same type of thing.
56:45.980: Like, for instance, he was doing the question and answer type thing, and he obviously sets the camera up, hits record, walks out of the room, walks back in the room.
56:54.440: Takes his jacket off, throws it on the floor, does some other stuff, sits in front of it and says, Okay, we're going to do question and answer.
57:00.280: And just that whole thing of him taking his jacket off, you know, he's watching it at night, probably thinking, Yeah, that worked.
57:05.720: I'll do it again.
57:06.940: Speaker 1: Well, there's also you know, he he also he he has a message, and here we are like analyzing this derelict filmmaker.
57:15.660: Speaker 1: He ha there's clearly a message in his in his
57:20.880: Speaker 1: Presentation that equipment doesn't matter.
57:26.400: Speaker 1: And I watched the video of him getting his new MacBook Pro the other day.
57:30.820: Speaker 1: And in the process of opening it, he puts a giant slash in the top of the cover.
57:36.020: Speaker 1: He's like, oh, well.
57:37.060: Speaker 1: And then he flips it over and he drops it.
57:39.300: Speaker 1: He hasn't even opened it up yet.
57:40.820: Speaker 1: And he's already dropped it and put a slash in the lid of it.
57:44.720: Speaker 1: And yet, that is part of the Casey Neistat, you know, doctrine.
57:50.480: Speaker 1: It's like the equipment doesn't matter.
57:54.020: Speaker 1: Although he was pretty excited that UPS was there with his new MacBook Pro.
57:57.700: Speaker 1: That's true.
57:58.180: That's true.
57:58.900: And you know, he films with a little Canon point and shoot and he films with like a Canon 70D.
58:04.099: That you always see that.
58:05.340: Focus go in and out as he gets into the frame.
58:07.900: And that 7D D does awesome job with the autofocus, you know, tracking, you know, much better than a lot of cameras does do.
58:16.060: And
58:16.400: He shoots with his iPhone or now a Samsung, and he shoots with a lot of different cameras.
58:21.200: But yeah, it's just amazing.
58:23.520: I was just crazy.
58:24.480: Did you watch the one this morning where he went on the red carpet?
58:27.440: No, I haven't seen that one yet.
58:29.099: Oh, okay.
58:29.660: Yeah, it was just cracking me up 'cause he got dressed into Tuxedo and then he's riding his bike over to the Vogue event on his bike.
58:36.619: And he sees he's shooting pictures of him with Tuxedo in his dress shoes as he's
58:40.880: And you know, he just points the camera everywhere.
58:42.880: He gets such great angles all the time.
58:45.440: Speaker 1: Yeah.
58:46.000: Speaker 1: Yeah.
58:46.799: Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw it.
58:48.960: Speaker 1: Have you looked at Snapchat stories at all?
58:51.780: Speaker 1: I haven't.
58:52.740: I know he's on there and um I haven't.
58:56.740: Speaker 1: As is your friend Chris Fenwick.
58:59.240: Speaker 1: I actually did a really cool Snapchat story.
59:02.120: Speaker 1: And I'm actually going to so let me tell you a little I'm just going to share with everybody a little bit what Snapchat Stories is.
59:09.560: Speaker 1: It's the ability to take either photos or video clips up to 15 seconds.
59:14.020: Speaker 1: And in a linear fashion, assemble them one at a time into a playlist that plays in real time.
59:22.520: Speaker 1: When you go to somebody's story and press and hold the screen, it's a ridiculous user interface.
59:28.599: Speaker 1: You have to press and hold the screen to watch the story.
59:32.740: Speaker 1: You can also take your story, and if you want, you can save it out to your camera roll if you have an iPhone, apparently the last Apple product you'll ever own.
59:43.900: Speaker 1: And you can save that out to your camera roll, and then you can do whatever you will with it.
59:48.140: Speaker 1: And I'm going to take mine and I'm going to put it somewhere.
59:50.700: Speaker 1: Maybe I'll put it on my YouTube channel.
59:52.060: Speaker 1: But I did a little Denver Riddle color tutorial.
59:57.060: Speaker 1: For Final Cut 10, and I shot it all with the Snapchat story, and it's got about 10 shots in it.
Speaker 1: You know, shooting different angles and different portions of the screen as opposed to doing more traditional 01:00:03.300 Speaker 1: Screen screen flow type screen capture. 01:00:09.559 Speaker 1: And I just did it as an experiment. 01:00:12.520 Speaker 1: And I kind of say it was really fun. 01:00:13.960 Speaker 1: But it is fun to take your day and one shot at a time. 01:00:16.520 Speaker 1: you assemble this story. 01:00:23.520 Speaker 1: And then the thing you have to know about Snapchat stories is in 24 hours after you shoot your first clip, it will evaporate and disappear. 01:00:25.280 Speaker 1: And then 24 hours after you have shot the second clip, it will disappear. 01:00:33.599 Speaker 1: So there's this revolving thing of these are the surviving clips that are within that are less than 24 hours old. 01:00:37.540 Speaker 1: So I just think it's a fascinating medium. 01:00:44.580 Speaker 1: And getting back to Casey Neistat, if you have not seen it yet, 01:00:48.260 Speaker 1: go on the YouTube and search for Snapchat Murders Facebook. 01:00:51.520 Speaker 1: Have you seen this video yet? 01:00:55.839 Speaker 1: No. 01:00:57.440 Speaker 1: It's a Casey Neistad video, and it will explain Snapchat in its entirety. 01:00:58.320 Speaker 1: And it's 01:01:02.880 Speaker 1: It's very well made, and it's a fascinating story, which, by the way, I will give credit where credit is due. 01:01:03.620 Speaker 1: Yes, Casey Neistat produced it all. 01:01:10.660 Speaker 1: I did. 01:01:12.820 Speaker 1: Alex McLean pointed this one out to me. 01:01:14.020 Speaker 1: About a month ago, and I was like, I'm sold. 01:01:16.700 Speaker 1: It's fascinating. 01:01:19.100 Speaker 1: So go check out Snapchat. 01:01:19.980 Speaker 1: You can follow Chris Fenwick on Snapchat, just Chris Fenwick. 01:01:21.500 Speaker 1: I think they call it Add. 01:01:24.540 Speaker 1: You can add me. 01:01:25.660 Speaker 1: Chris Fenwick, and then you will see my stories that I do occasionally throughout my day and stuff stuff like that and whatnot. 01:01:27.260 Speaker 1: But anyway, check it out. 01:01:34.300 Speaker 1: It's actually very interesting and 01:01:35.579 Speaker 1: And I will also say, getting back to your parenting dilemma, it is Snapchat stories is where the young kids are going because they don't want to be on Facebook where their parents are trying to hook up with their old girlfriends. 01:01:37.940 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 01:01:51.980 Speaker 1: So it you should know about it. 01:01:53.020 Speaker 1: Just as a parent, you should know about it because yes, Snapchat was originally known as the place to send naked pictures around, but the Snapchat stories has totally 01:01:55.740 Speaker 1: Eclipsed what the old Snapchat was just sending pictures. 01:02:06.340 Speaker 1: So it's quite fascinating. 01:02:10.900 Speaker 1: And as a storyteller, it's a great way to tie a hand behind your back. 01:02:13.140 Speaker 1: And make you think more about your story. 01:02:19.420 Speaker 1: And I think that's why I was so impressed, or with myself, so pleased with the outcome of doing this video tutorial. 01:02:23.100 Speaker 1: Using only Snapchat stories, because when you know the limitations of what it is, it's really, it really makes you think. 01:02:31.440 Speaker 1: It really, really makes you think. 01:02:38.640 Speaker 1: So, anyway, that's that. 01:02:40.440 Speaker 1: We should wrap this up. 01:02:41.640 Speaker 1: We've been chatting and gapping here for about an hour. 01:02:42.599 Speaker 1: Dave, thanks for coming and telling me about the death of your iMac. 01:02:44.920 Speaker 1: You're quite welcome. 01:02:50.119 Speaker 1: I can't get you to reconsider. 01:02:52.440 I'll it depends on how much I can get on eBay. 01:02:54.780 If I can't get enough on eBay, I'll probably just keep it for something. 01:02:58.780 I don't know what. 01:03:01.900 Let me ask the question. 01:03:03.820 Can I use it just as a screen? 01:03:04.700 You can drive. 01:03:08.660 Speaker 1: I know you can with another Mac. 01:03:10.580 Speaker 1: I don't know that you can without it. 01:03:13.300 Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying, I just don't know. 01:03:14.980 Speaker 1: There's a way Macintoshes have a thing called 01:03:16.820 Speaker 1: Target disk mode, where when you turn it on, you hold down the letter T and it just becomes a hard drive. 01:03:20.520 Speaker 1: It is literally just a hard drive. 01:03:26.920 Speaker 1: Yes, there's a processor in it, but it's just a hard drive. 01:03:28.680 Speaker 1: Well, the newer Macs have a thing called target screen mode. 01:03:31.840 Speaker 1: And I can't remember the the keyboard shortcut, but it's basically you turn it on and hold down, I don't know, S or 01:03:35.760 Speaker 1: X or whatever. 01:03:42.180 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. 01:03:43.140 Speaker 1: I've really dumb guessing. 01:03:43.859 Speaker 1: And it turns it into a screen through the DisplayPort jack, which is also coincidentally your Thunderbolt jack. 01:03:46.420 Speaker 1: So it may very well 01:03:53.700 Speaker 1: be that you can make it into a screen for your super PC if you have display port. 01:03:55.860 Speaker 1: or DVI to display port adapter. 01:04:04.220 Speaker 1: I don't really know. 01:04:06.779 Speaker 1: I know that you can do it with another Macintosh. 01:04:07.579 Speaker 1: Okay, cool. 01:04:10.619 Speaker 1: Thanks. 01:04:11.500 Speaker 1: All right. 01:04:12.059 Speaker 1: So everybody knows Dave. 01:04:12.539 Speaker 1: You can find him at Learning DSLR Video. 01:04:14.779 Speaker 1: What are you on Twitter? 01:04:17.020 Speaker 1: Oh, learning video. 01:04:18.440 Speaker 1: Learningvideo. 01:04:19.720 Speaker 1: com. 01:04:20.839 Speaker 1: Sorry. 01:04:21.320 Speaker 1: That's all right. 01:04:22.200 And Twitter's at Dougdale. 01:04:23.240 Speaker 1: And then what's your Snapchat handle going to be? 01:04:26.440 If I make one, I guess Dave Dugdale. 01:04:30.400 Yeah. 01:04:33.520 Unless there's already a Dave Dugdale on there. 01:04:34.000 I don't know. 01:04:35.760 I haven't downloaded it yet. 01:04:36.240 Speaker 1: I think you should go for Dugdale first. 01:04:37.280 Speaker 1: And then if Dugdale's stolen, then take Dave Dugdale. 01:04:38.880 Speaker 1: 'Cause then you'll be the same as your as your Twitter handle. 01:04:43.079 Speaker 1: All right, Dave, um, I will let you go. 01:04:47.160 Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks for chatting. 01:04:49.560 Speaker 1: I I I d I hope you know how much I appreciate you as a human being and as an artist and as a communicator. 01:04:51.480 Speaker 1: I always enjoy chatting with you. 01:04:56.440 Speaker 1: You. 01:04:57.059 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun to chat. 01:04:57.380 Speaker 1: Thanks. 01:04:58.500 Speaker 1: Appreciate it. 01:04:59.140 Speaker 1: All right. 01:04:59.940 Speaker 1: We'll talk more later. 01:05:00.260 Speaker 1: So, anyway, that's a little chat with Dave. 01:05:03.539 Speaker 1: Hey, you know, we talked about Casey Neistat there toward the end, and I cannot. 01:05:06.260 Speaker 1: recommend more that you go check out his vlog. 01:05:11.799 Speaker 1: I hate saying that word, his video log that he's been doing. 01:05:16.839 Speaker 1: By the time you hear this, it's probably nearly fifty episodes that he's done. 01:05:21.160 Speaker 1: And I gotta say, I am I judge whether or not something is good by whether or not I want to keep watching. 01:05:25.720 Speaker 1: That's all it takes. 01:05:34.820 Speaker 1: I don't care about the cinematography. 01:05:35.780 Speaker 1: I don't care about the audio. 01:05:37.540 Speaker 1: Of course, if those things get in the way, then of course they're in the way. 01:05:40.820 Speaker 1: Casey has a wonderful way of doing things in an extremely guerrilla way, and yet I'm totally drawn to it because he is a captivating communicator. 01:05:44.160 Speaker 1: And I'm just, I'm drawn to his stuff. 01:05:53.440 Speaker 1: There's also some older stuff. 01:05:55.920 Speaker 1: There's one, there's a great story. 01:05:57.280 Speaker 1: It's called like a love story, eight years in the making. 01:05:58.800 Speaker 1: I can't remember the actual name of it, but it's a story about how he. 01:06:01.520 Speaker 1: met and fell in love with and eventually married his his wife, Candice, Candice Poole. 01:06:05.619 Speaker 1: But anyway, go go check out his stuff. 01:06:11.380 Speaker 1: Please do it for me. 01:06:13.460 Speaker 1: I think you will be inspired. 01:06:14.980 Speaker 1: As a filmmaker, to want to go out and do more. 01:06:17.140 Speaker 1: Because really, that's what we want to do, is we want to tell stories. 01:06:21.380 Speaker 1: And Alex and I on the grill or on DCC, we say all the time. 01:06:25.539 Speaker 1: You know, like, just shut up and go shoot. 01:06:30.540 Speaker 1: And there's a lot to that. 01:06:32.860 Speaker 1: But Casey is taking it one step further. 01:06:34.460 Speaker 1: He's shutting up, he's shooting, he's cutting, and he's posting, and he's doing it daily. 01:06:36.300 Speaker 1: And he's not the first guy to do it, but he does it in a really, like I said, compelling way. 01:06:40.340 Speaker 1: Anyway, that this has been a long episode. 01:06:46.500 Speaker 1: And like I said, if you came here for little nuggets of Final Cut 10, you're not going to get any. 01:06:49.380 Speaker 1: In this episode that I recall, I don't know, I recorded this a couple of days ago. 01:06:54.840 Speaker 1: But thanks for listening. 01:06:59.000 Speaker 1: I can't tell you how much 01:07:00.520 Speaker 1: It means to me to have this voice and to have this audience. 01:07:02.620 Speaker 1: I appreciate all of you, and I appreciate 01:07:07.100 Speaker 1: The excitement that I get from people when they figure stuff out, and it's it's just fun. 01:07:10.839 Speaker 1: And the reason I started doing this in the first place 01:07:15.640 Speaker 1: a year and a half ago is I like teaching. 01:07:18.620 Speaker 1: I like it. 01:07:22.140 Speaker 1: I like seeing the moment when the light bulb goes off. 01:07:23.020 Speaker 1: In somebody's mind. 01:07:26.900 Speaker 1: And, you know, that being said, I think I want to do some more in-person teaching. 01:07:28.660 Speaker 1: I think I want to do that. 01:07:33.940 Speaker 1: I don't know how that's going to come about yet, but we're going to do something. 01:07:35.660 Speaker 1: Don't know what it is. 01:07:40.140 Speaker 1: So, anyway, I'm rambling. 01:07:41.420 Speaker 1: We will do this again next 01:07:43.260 Speaker 1: Week, thank you so much. 01:07:44.640 Speaker 1: I'm off to Hawaii, and by the time you're listening to this, I'm probably either on a plane or sequestered in a hotel room cutting footage for Salesforce. 01:07:45.599 Speaker 1: com. 01:07:53.440 Speaker 1: Anyway, we will be in touch. 01:07:54.000 Speaker 1: Talk to you guys next week. 01:07:56.799 Speaker 1: Later, later. 01:07:58.079